Posted - 2006.12.19 12:15:00 - [152]

 

Feedback?
Ok, you asked for it... blame yourself

It seems impossible to know if an escalating path exploration site didnt trigger the
escalating, or if you still have something to do. Are they supposed to despawn if you
warp out of one after its finnished (not all seems to do that)?

The ore sites seems a waste of time in large parts of 0.0. If i ever wanted to mine,
i already have ample access to some of the best roids. A private belt might sound
nice, but if you put out adroid to help mine or help defend, the belt wont stay private
for more than a few sec (from the fubar'ed scanning of droids in deadspace).

I moved to 0.0 becouse i NEVER EVER AGAIN wanted to see that only every 10'th rat
dropped loot. WHY did you have to use the "reduced loot in mission" code for the
exploration sites?

I havent heard of anyone finding "a pot of gold" yet. What i HAVE heard of is people
beeing promised 1bill in reward for escalating paths, just to get shafted with a
"you've been had"-message. (wow, that must have been SOOOOOO entertaining, and realy
makes you want to do it all over again).

Also, finding invention stuff IS NOT "a pot of gold", or at least shouldnt be, as
this stuff should realy dropp as frequently as camel turds in sahara, to make
invention into someting usefull...

Basically, to conclude, the scanning in it self actually quite nice (at least i
havent grown tired of it yet), but loot-vise exploration is a joke. We should at least
be able to not loose isk while trying to find a pot of gold.

Posted - 2006.12.19 14:16:00 - [154]

 

Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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Originally by: Okotomi Anki

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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- Decrease probe volumes - carrying 17 probe types to cover all signature types and/or scanning distances eats up cargo space in a hurry, and covops do not have much of that.
- Make scanning time identical to ship scanning. I don't mind scanning repeatedly, but having to do, with decent skills (covops 4, sig acq 3), 10x 4+ minutes scans in succession is a bit tedious and doesn't add anything to the game or the thrill of exploration.

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OMG! Will you ever stop whining? They made exploration damn easy already, now you want them to make it even easier. What sort of rewards do you expect then?

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These are merely my suggestions. I do not expect everyone to agree, so either post your own constructive suggestions, or kindly stfu, cupcakes. Thx.

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The difficulty of exploration doesn't need to be lowered. This is my constructive suggestion. Anyway, this explanation is redundant since you should see it in my post you quoted. But you didn't.

Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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Actually, I'm going to grace your idiotic reply with an answer.

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Nice commentary. Clearly demonstrates your mental abilities. (Ok, just returning the favor).

Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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Making scanning longer or shorter does not make scanning more difficult or easier. Time and difficulty have no direct incidence on one another.

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Time is the only reliable measure of effort. Yes, would be good to get brain more involved in the process, but this proved to be distracting for many players (not you personally). There is still some use for brain, though, placement of your probes for example. It is not enough for me (and for you as well, i suppose), but even this tiny bit is overshot for noticeable fraction of playerbase. So what we got is time sink and random generator.

Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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As for the probes' volume suggestion, the reason is simple. I am exploring in deep 0.0, with no stations (at least none of them friendly enough to let me dock). As it is, the current cargo bay enables me to do a thorough scan of, say, 10-12 systems, after which I have to fly some 30-odd jumps back to refill cargo. Just added timesink, imo.

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I do live in 0.0 as well. If you so concerned about your abilities to scan many systems in one trip, then either make those stations friendly to you or bring along a corpmate in a cheap Probe frigate. What you do is whining.

Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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As for rewards, I have yet to see anything truly worthwhile, and yet you didn't see me comment on the issue, did you?

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What i said is you will get even lower rewards if the difficulty is going to be nerfed. There are loads of whines about low rewards already, i didn't have personally you in mind.

Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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Contrary to what you might think, I'm all in favor of difficulty. I made more isk pre-exodus finding abandoned ships in space without the help of probes whatsoever, than I did with the help of probes ever since. Now THAT required skill & determination.

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Exactly my point of view. The more difficult the task is, the more reward you get. Sadly, CCP can't allow themselves make exploration as brain-intensive as we want. They have put significant effort in it, now they want it to be available to wide player population, not only for ppl like you or me.

Posted - 2006.12.19 21:23:00 - [156]

 

so i ´ve found in a system a magnetrometic signatur with a multispectral frequencal probe, so i started to scan in the system with magnetrometic probes .i scanned on each planets and gates with a magnetrometic quest probe but i found nothing.

My question is where is my failure can anybody help me.

Thx a lot

Posted - 2006.12.19 23:13:00 - [158]

 

Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Today I found a deadspace called "Desolate site" in a 0.5 system in Gallente space. The multispectral probe told me frequency "unknown" and I used magnetometric probe (Quest, then Comb, then Sift). The scanning time was around 75 minutes until I found the acceleration gate.

OK, the deadspace was really "desolate": Some Debris, Snake shaped asteroids, no rats, no drones, no minable asteroids, no further gates. The only remarkable objects were two "Infested station ruins". I tried to use an Analyzer, a Codebreaker, a Salvager: not possible.

Because I didn't know what really to do in this area I begun to destroy one of these Infested station ruins. They have insane hitpoints and at the time of this writing I am still orbiting and shooting (since 60 minutes or so, I wished I had a battery of Citadel torpedos) in a real AFK-combat.

Of course after 3 or more hours with this exploration adventure I expect a really exciting reward dropping from this ruin, at least a blueprint copy for a data interface...

An Edit will come later...

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submit a bug report
really..

I had the exact same thing, except i was first to clear it. It lasted for almost 2 weeks before the petition folks came in to system and take a look. They tried blasting it, told me there should be 3 structures, and one of them was to drop "something"...

After the 2nd week the came in and said, hmm, something wrong here, it works on test. so they reset it all, and it disappeared...

Posted - 2006.12.19 23:57:00 - [160]

 

Originally by: Mirirar

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Do I have to go to the new 0.0 COSMOS systems to probe for hidden content, or can I go to "any" 0.0 system and try it (with a chance of success)?

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Any system

Originally by: Jagdkommanderin

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so i ´ve found in a system a magnetrometic signatur with a multispectral frequencal probe, so i started to scan in the system with magnetrometic probes .i scanned on each planets and gates with a magnetrometic quest probe but i found nothing.

My question is where is my failure can anybody help me.

Thx a lot

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If your probe layout's good, probably just not enough scans. Last Mag site I found was one of the hard ones and took 30 or so scans to find

Posted - 2006.12.20 01:49:00 - [162]

 

Yeah, I found a site in 0.4 with over 105 gneiss roids, many/most of the better flavors...it was 2.5AU from the nearest planetary body and had a low sig return. Basically I couldn't find it until I made some midpoint BMs and blanketed the place with pursuit and quest probes.

As an aside, USE THE SYSTEM MAP!!! You can see where the probe bubbles are, and can plan a nice overlap pattern with them. Overlap=better sensor strength=good.

I also found that gate with the 2 infested station remains and nothing else. Flew around, no triggers. No hack/salvage/archaeology. Not sure if its still around though; I'll have to check my BM later.

Posted - 2006.12.20 05:32:00 - [164]

 

What i am missing with all that exploring stuff is a little bit of adventure style stuff, meaning you will have to solve a riddle or something.
Other thinks i could think of:
- maybe u have to put some stuff in a container to trigger a spawn or open a gate or get something new from this container

- kill all but 1 spezial npc and he will beg for his live and tell u a secret

- add the ship logs to exploration

- add more skills that interact with exploring instead of
just hacking and arch to enter a gate for example
(i found some "unstable wormholes" but you couldnt activate it, allways told me im to far away - no lag tryed in different situations and plexes - , would be funny if u find out your plasma skill shows you how to jump through or something)

- like some1 mentioned(and eris liked it too) repairing or or energy transfer to a damaged strukture work as triggers

- move a container with tractor beam out of position and *pow a fleet spawnes out of nowhere

- to hacking: wouldnt it be fun to try to get a PW to open a container - lets say u can find parts of them or riddles that hint towards them[ok i read to much Dan Brown]

- sensor boost a "stranded" agent to reboot his nav comp

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did i mentioned i like riddles??

Posted - 2006.12.20 12:44:00 - [166]

 

Originally by: Aiyleena Iluvatar

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- sensor boost a "stranded" agent to reboot his nav comp

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that idea made me smile

Posted - 2006.12.21 08:55:00 - [168]

 

Weeee, did my first bit of exploration last night. Found a 2 lvl complex with drones in it. Cleared the first section, then went to the gate. Getting near the gate spawned more guys, killed them. Went through the gate killed some guys. More spawned, then a "Guard" spawned, which looks like the Domi drone ship from the rouge drone complex (5/10).

Just as we were about to finish up, we got a message saying go to XYZ system. When we were done, we went to the system, used the exploration tab in the journal to warp to another drone spawn, this time, I don't think it was dead space. More guys spawned, with a nother domi.

All in all, the minerals were worth about 8-10mil. There were cans in the first plex that I think needed to be hacked, they were called "Containers with blast markings" or something similar, there were 5 of them. Will be training hacking soon.

I quite enjoyed it, as it was something new and probing it out was 1/2 the fun, but I do think it could have been a little more rewarding, but then, I don't know if anything was in those cans.

Posted - 2006.12.21 11:53:00 - [170]

 

if you zoom out to the system map, there should be a named pin...

Posted - 2006.12.21 20:52:00 - [172]

 

Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Today I found a deadspace called "Desolate site" in a 0.5 system in Gallente space. The multispectral probe told me frequency "unknown" and I used magnetometric probe (Quest, then Comb, then Sift). The scanning time was around 75 minutes until I found the acceleration gate.

OK, the deadspace was really "desolate": Some Debris, Snake shaped asteroids, no rats, no drones, no minable asteroids, no further gates. The only remarkable objects were two "Infested station ruins". I tried to use an Analyzer, a Codebreaker, a Salvager: not possible.

Because I didn't know what really to do in this area I begun to destroy one of these Infested station ruins. They have insane hitpoints and at the time of this writing I am still orbiting and shooting (since 60 minutes or so, I wished I had a battery of Citadel torpedos) in a real AFK-combat.

Of course after 3 or more hours with this exploration adventure I expect a really exciting reward dropping from this ruin, at least a blueprint copy for a data interface...

An Edit will come later...

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submit a bug report
really..

I had the exact same thing, except i was first to clear it. It lasted for almost 2 weeks before the petition folks came in to system and take a look. They tried blasting it, told me there should be 3 structures, and one of them was to drop "something"...

After the 2nd week the came in and said, hmm, something wrong here, it works on test. so they reset it all, and it disappeared...

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I cleared that site as well, the left "Infested ruin" dropped a wreck, with no loot, and nothing salvaged.

The site stayed, and two of the three ruins respawned

Posted - 2006.12.22 19:30:00 - [174]

 

Some exploration bugs i have found and seeking clarification if other have run into them as well. I have tested these bugs several times as well.

Losing probes that are currently loaded when trying to switch types while cloaked.

Steps to replicate this are to have a couple probes in the launcher, Cloak and then try and switch type. You will get an error that you can not do that you are cloaked. But the launcher is empty and the probes that were there do not appear in your cargo. Basically several probes disappeared. You then have to manually pull the probes from your cargo to the launcher instead of right click and select from list.

Sift probes while quests are in space and trying to scan with both types at once does not work

This one is weird and it defiantly needs tested by someone else. Basically you locate a signature within .5 au with a quest probe and find the quest probe that found it and destroy that probe only to launch a sift in its place. You select all probes still in space and scan. 10 sift probes later you haven't yet found the signature and if you do you do it is several thousand kilometers off.

However if you destroy all the other quest probes and only have the sift probe out or selected it usually only takes 1-2 scans and is at most 150 km off, most of the time 0km. It appears as if the sift probes are sharing the properties of the quest probes for signal strength and error. This has only happened to me twice and is hard to replicate as i dont want to waste to much time and probes for no results when i found a work around that works.

Posted - 2006.12.23 15:00:00 - [176]

 

Edited by: Tanila01 on 23/12/2006 15:02:36
Try to scan in deep 00 and 00-cosmos-constellation.
100 or may be 150 hor spended. Covops, rigs etc.
How many probes... not known time > probe cost.

Result
2 archeo site
3 hacking
1 arch-salvaging
3 Independence drone plex
2 Provincial HQ (where 25 bs + 25 support + 15 towers in first pocket) - not completed
2 hidden belts
2 or soo booster gas cloud places

Lost:
1 buzzard with 2 rig (instantpop) few small ships.
150hour of time :)
many probes

Reward:
700+ salvaged materials... yes 10 or so PER HOUR.
1 t2 rig 2 run bpc

NOTHING ELSE.

We do something wrong or try find in bad place ?
Can someone tell, where can be founded:
1. BPC for interfaces for invention. Type of space ? (cosmos-not cosmos).
Type of missions ? Or better location name :)
2. Booster production related stuff. Skill, modules.

I cannot belive. We really need 150+ hour of dumb clicking every 200s for gain acess to half of kali content ???

PS. We use for hacking-archealogy char with 5-5 skill. Not possible to gain better skill... and 3/4 cans empty.

Posted - 2006.12.24 11:19:00 - [178]

 

Tanila, your first mistake there is bothering to launch LADAR probes (or Gravs, unless you have miners on standby) :)

Posted - 2006.12.26 12:58:00 - [180]

 

Originally by: Tanila01

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Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Tanila, your first mistake there is bothering to launch LADAR probes (or Gravs, unless you have miners on standby) :)

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I just try to find ALL sites in cosmos constellation.

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Yup, and you're wasting your time doing so :)