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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:36:00 - [ 91]
 Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Cadela Fria
What are you talking about??? what he says makes perfect sense! And just for the record, no! EVE does not have the same ups and downs as WoW...EVE is a sandbox game, and WoW is a themepark game.
If you don't know what that is, go look it up.
There are no areas specific for anything in EVE..it's up to you entirely. Even high-sec can be used for PvP and low-sec PvE, so THAT is nonsense.
I thought that Eve was like the way Lego used to be (just blocks you could put together any way you could imagine), and WoW is the way Lego is now - where you have to use the parts to build the fancy thing on the box cover.
+5 Insightful |
Perani |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:36:00 - [ 92]
Originally by: Agent Li
Imagine, if you will, an industrialist who makes a ton of isk in empire space, solely to pay mercs to wail on each other...
Haha, funny thing is that, you know, this happens in real life: both sides of the civil war can receive arms from the same supplier. Maybe we should camp outside of the weapon makers' headquarters with signs, "You don't PvP, we hate you carebears". |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:37:00 - [ 93]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 16/11/2006 16:39:25 Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content?[/quote
AAHAHAH.. AHAHHAH oooh ohhhh.. another ALIEN concept for you eh m8? .. well gee, lets see, there are things as entertainment, limited game time for working individuals, different time zones, need for a piece for quiet time away from ppl like you, and things like personal choice.
You apparently think that EVERYONE does SOLO 100% of the game, just probably you do what you do in eve 100% of the time (i mean the same thing over and over). Well pal, hate to break it to you, but people like variety, otherwise we would all drive "black Fords".
PS: If my last remark feels also a bit alien to you I suggest you advise with your corp mates before attemtping a reply... might save you the feeling of alienation from the RL.
Theres no reason to get personal with the guy just because he doesn't get a point you're making. Thats just poor quality..the kind of *bleep* that ruins a good argument. Yeah, I'm saying this even though I agreed with earlier points you made. |
Stinky Spaniel |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:37:00 - [ 94]
Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:40:25 Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
THat does not even make sense and just makes my point even more. What has wow got to do with this, it is another MMO and probably has the same ups and downs as EVE? Are you saying if there was a PvE only EVE server you would prefer that ? or the PVP only one not sure which game type you are into.
We already have seperate areas for PvE and PVP its called low and High sec.
I Completely dont understand your posts contribution to the discussion. Sorry.
Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content?
NO I am SAYING that for people that are faced with these ALIEN ideas in EvE, you should go play WoW (much the same way you advise other players of EvE, who actually like the game the way it is and respect others in it, to go play other game titles). Because in WoW afaik, there are dedicated server for each person play style, so ppl with limited cognitive abilities do not feel ALIENATED !!!
Ok fair enougth, i have some work to do so my last post, but why do players of any MMO play online games when all they intend to do is play them solo or with 2nd accounts?? Why not simply play a similar off line game for free if there is no interaction with other human players. Obviously some people love MSORPGs, Massivley solo online role playing games, and again finally i find this concept strange and Alien. Im not sure why you keep prattling on about WoW. Whats so good about that game that everyone refers to it so much? Im sure that MMORPG also has many MSORPGers. I dont think i said everyone solos the game? i asked those that do, why do they ?? Why so hostile? calm down and be constructive. |
Zephyr Mallory
Starfire Oasis
Infinite Conflux |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:38:00 - [ 95]
Eve is exactly how lego used to be.
You remember when that one kid would look at what you built with your imagination and say "that doesn't look anything like what's on the box, you don't know how to play with legos the right way" .... |
Black Scorpio |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:42:00 - [ 96]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Zephyr Mallory
DeadDuck.
Like I said it only applies in 0 space and to alliance members... all the other ones are fine by me. Even the corps that pay taxes to mine there.. oh well, they pay so let them mine 24h per day if they want to.... What I dont like is the ones that belong to a alliance corp, that when troubles apear are always with some other things to do, are afk or about to go afk, never apear in alliance activities, whatever they are, escorting duties, mining ops, pos refuelling, pvp ... but you look at them showing the fancy new faction item or asking in alliance how much the faction ship costs.
Well there is a simple answer for that m8, contact your alliance CEO, put these people in probation, let them know that if they continue to not contribute they will be banned, and if they keep their course expell them from the alliance, no reason to whine on the forums for what happens inhouse your alliance... |
Agent Li
Caldari
CCCP INC
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:42:00 - [ 97]
Originally by: Perani
Originally by: Agent Li
Imagine, if you will, an industrialist who makes a ton of isk in empire space, solely to pay mercs to wail on each other...
Haha, funny thing is that, you know, this happens in real life: both sides of the civil war can receive arms from the same supplier. Maybe we should camp outside of the weapon makers' headquarters with signs, "You don't PvP, we hate you carebears".
Now imagine this. Imagine I have two characters, and both are industrials that make a lot of isk, and have set up POS to manufacture things like Hammerhead II, etc. The char and the alt sell to opposing sides - I make money no matter what happens. At that rate, it wouldn't matter if I lost ships at lowsec gates every now and then. It would just be part of the price of doing business. And business would be good, considering how often most pew pew PvPers get blown up, or need new drones and ammo. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:44:00 - [ 98]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 16/11/2006 16:45:58 Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
THat does not even make sense and just makes my point even more. What has wow got to do with this, it is another MMO and probably has the same ups and downs as EVE? Are you saying if there was a PvE only EVE server you would prefer that ? or the PVP only one not sure which game type you are into.
We already have seperate areas for PvE and PVP its called low and High sec.
I Completely dont understand your posts contribution to the discussion. Sorry.
Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content?
NO I am SAYING that for people that are faced with these ALIEN ideas in EvE, you should go play WoW (much the same way you advise other players of EvE, who actually like the game the way it is and respect others in it, to go play other game titles). Because in WoW afaik, there are dedicated server for each person play style, so ppl with limited cognitive abilities do not feel ALIENATED !!!
Ok fair enougth, i have some work to do so my last post, but why do players of any MMO play online games when all they intend to do is play them solo or with 2nd accounts?? Why not simply play a similar off line game for free if there is no interaction with other human players. Obviously some people love MSORPGs, Massivley solo online role playing games, and again finally i find this concept strange and Alien.
Im not sure why you keep prattling on about WoW. Whats so good about that game that everyone refers to it so much? Im sure that MMORPG also has many MSORPGers.
If you want to find out why some people play this game and avoid human interaction, go ask them, if you can get in contact with them. Everyone has their own reasons, and thats just fine |
Black Scorpio |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:45:00 - [ 99]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Theres no reason to get personal with the guy just because he doesn't get a point you're making. Thats just poor quality..the kind of *bleep* that ruins a good argument.
Yeah, I'm saying this even though I agreed with earlier points you made.
Well Cadela I reply on forums ONLY when i feel strongly about something, don't have the time to be wasting a day getting my point through to someone who might not get it in a year... sorry. I will do my best to be milder tho. |
Zephyr Mallory
Starfire Oasis
Infinite Conflux |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:45:00 - [ 100]
Scorpio - please take a couple seconds more to edit your quotes.. you're making it look like I said that bit that DD replied to my quote with. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:47:00 - [ 101]
Originally by: Zephyr Mallory
Scorpio - please take a couple seconds more to edit your quotes.. you're making it look like I said that bit that DD replied to my quote with.
Just add a /quote in square brackets after what he said finishes (just before you start typing..look at the reply I made it..I fixed it, but, nobody replied to it :P) that fixes it |
Black Scorpio |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:47:00 - [ 102]
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:40:25
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
THat does not even make sense and just makes my point even more. What has wow got to do with this, it is another MMO and probably has the same ups and downs as EVE? Are you saying if there was a PvE only EVE server you would prefer that ? or the PVP only one not sure which game type you are into.
We already have seperate areas for PvE and PVP its called low and High sec.
I Completely dont understand your posts contribution to the discussion. Sorry.
Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content?
NO I am SAYING that for people that are faced with these ALIEN ideas in EvE, you should go play WoW (much the same way you advise other players of EvE, who actually like the game the way it is and respect others in it, to go play other game titles). Because in WoW afaik, there are dedicated server for each person play style, so ppl with limited cognitive abilities do not feel ALIENATED !!!
Ok fair enougth, i have some work to do so my last post, but why do players of any MMO play online games when all they intend to do is play them solo or with 2nd accounts?? Why not simply play a similar off line game for free if there is no interaction with other human players. Obviously some people love MSORPGs, Massivley solo online role playing games, and again finally i find this concept strange and Alien.
Im not sure why you keep prattling on about WoW. Whats so good about that game that everyone refers to it so much? Im sure that MMORPG also has many MSORPGers.
I dont think i said everyone solos the game? i asked those that do, why do they ?? Why so hostile? calm down and be constructive.
To CADELA.. see why I'm harsh.. the guy is asking THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN.. I mean.. how much of the same answer should I give them.. and keep explaining ??? Maybe you can take over nicely... To Stinky.. Well buddy, I/we do NOT and ARE not going to play another game because I/we LIKE EvE. Is that a good enough reason for you or you'd like some world impacting reason to understand that people do things because people like things... |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:48:00 - [ 103]
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Happster
Polaris Project |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:49:00 - [ 104]
I dont really get it why ppl is so against Carebears...
I guess i am a carabear too.....but on the other side...i dont got a rich uncle who can poor isk in to my wallet so i can join the pvp fight or wars....
So basicly i need some sort of income so i can take part in the fightings....
No isk, no ships, skills or equipments, wars, pvp or whatever.....So to me being a carabear is a must....without it theres really no game for me... |
Stinky Spaniel |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:50:00 - [ 105]
Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:52:01If you want to find out why some people play this game and avoid human interaction, go ask them, if you can get in contact with them. Everyone has their own reasons, and thats just fine Yes you are right, im not sure what Mr Black Scorpian was going on about. Too much coffee or sugar perhaps.  And your answer for me asking a question you dont know is that I go play WOW ?!? lol |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:50:00 - [ 106]
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:40:25
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
THat does not even make sense and just makes my point even more. What has wow got to do with this, it is another MMO and probably has the same ups and downs as EVE? Are you saying if there was a PvE only EVE server you would prefer that ? or the PVP only one not sure which game type you are into.
We already have seperate areas for PvE and PVP its called low and High sec.
I Completely dont understand your posts contribution to the discussion. Sorry.
Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content?
NO I am SAYING that for people that are faced with these ALIEN ideas in EvE, you should go play WoW (much the same way you advise other players of EvE, who actually like the game the way it is and respect others in it, to go play other game titles). Because in WoW afaik, there are dedicated server for each person play style, so ppl with limited cognitive abilities do not feel ALIENATED !!!
Ok fair enougth, i have some work to do so my last post, but why do players of any MMO play online games when all they intend to do is play them solo or with 2nd accounts?? Why not simply play a similar off line game for free if there is no interaction with other human players. Obviously some people love MSORPGs, Massivley solo online role playing games, and again finally i find this concept strange and Alien.
Im not sure why you keep prattling on about WoW. Whats so good about that game that everyone refers to it so much? Im sure that MMORPG also has many MSORPGers.
I dont think i said everyone solos the game? i asked those that do, why do they ?? Why so hostile? calm down and be constructive.
To CADELA.. see why I'm harsh.. the guy is asking THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN.. I mean.. how much of the same answer should I give them.. and keep explaining ??? Maybe you can take over nicely...
To Stinky.. Well buddy, I/we do NOT and ARE not going to play another game because I/we LIKE EvE. Is that a good enough reason for you or you'd like some world impacting reason to understand that people do things because people like things...
I know, I know..I made a short reply if you look up, because evidently, getting into long explanatory posts will make the point lost. Truth be told, the questions he asks are unanswerable unless you go ask the actual people who play by themselves...but one simple answer though as a substitute, is people play for all their own reasons, and thats percetly fine. |
Pirate Tom |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:51:00 - [ 107]
The answer to everything! Re-enslave the Matari! ... Or genocide.. I forget which works better. |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:52:00 - [ 108]
Originally by: Happster
I dont really get it why ppl is so against Carebears...
I guess i am a carabear too.....but on the other side...i dont got a rich uncle who can poor isk in to my wallet so i can join the pvp fight or wars....
So basicly i need some sort of income so i can take part in the fightings....
No isk, no ships, skills or equipments, wars, pvp or whatever.....So to me being a carabear is a must....without it theres really no game for me...
Read my long post on page 3 about the greatest misconception of this thread |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:53:00 - [ 109]
Originally by: Weirda
carebear is good eating! 
I think this is really the easiest way to look at it. *starts chewing left arm* |
Pirate Tom |
Posted - 2006.11.16 16:55:00 - [ 110]
Gallente Carebears have a slightly more exotic flavor.. whereas Minmatar are more like beef jerky and keep better on long trips. |
Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:57:00 - [ 111]
Edited by: Zeknichov on 16/11/2006 16:59:31 Originally by: Sovereign533
there is lots to say to the word 'Carebear'... what really is an 'carebear'? a fluffy bear? well, on tv, probaly... in Eve, no...
i like to think that carebears are nothing but egocentric ppl who don't care about anything exept their own wallet... like joining an alliance, doing nothing but hunt npc's or mine for their own profit... i wanted to highlight this because npc'ing and mining isn't bad... you need isk to buy t2 modules, skills etc... you need minerals to build ships, ammo, modules etc...
while industrialists are a better word... i still say 'damn carebears', and i really hate them... but i love industrialists... i need my ships, i need ammo even more... we keep these industrialists in our alliances and low sec corporations, because we need them... we provide protection, the best belts... and help them when needed... and the industrialist can do what he/she likes best... mine all day, build all day, research all day... and ofcourse, this industrialist also needs money... but a Tier 2 Battleship for 90mil isk, isn't that bad... it won't be as much as the 108mil for them... but i think it's a small price to pay... as an industrialist, you have loyal customers that do anything to try to protect you...
the price i stated, it's just an example... all i mean to say with this is that i don't pay the full price of an industrialist when i help protecting his belts... everything wants something in return for their efforts... don't you?
what is your oppinion about this?
We all seem to have our own definition of a carebear. Yours is well, more of the definition of an *******. Carebears by definition should not even play EVE. Carebears are someone who when an MMO is an development they argue against any form of meaningful PvP. I don't know what better way to compare carebear to not carebear rather then stating. EVE and Shadowbane are at the top when it comes to PvP systems. WoW battlegrounds is the perfect definition of carebear. In EVE you can LOSE at PvP. When you die you lose isk, no one has an unlimited supply of isk, eventually someone loses a war/fight. In WoW it's zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg kekekekekekekekekekkeke until you're bored. That is carebear. Meaningful PvP = PvPer PvP without meaning = Carebear Meaning is defined as the capability to FORCE both a gain or loss on another. If I can't make someone lose something or if I cannot make myself gain something then PvP has no meaning. When you hear someone say "The fun of PvP in the joy of fighting" (a popular phrase in the WoW community,) it's merely an excuse for a carebear PvP system. Yes the fun is in the fight but it's the aftermath of the fight that gives PvP meaning and keeps players playing. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:59:00 - [ 112]
The word carebear should never ever be used. It means something at least slightly different to absolutely everyone. |
Pirate Tom |
Posted - 2006.11.16 17:00:00 - [ 113]
Carebear gumbo, carebear kabobs, carebear scampi, grilled carebear, carebear tartar... |
Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.11.16 17:01:00 - [ 114]
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:01:00 - [ 115]
Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now  |
Black Scorpio |
Posted - 2006.11.16 17:03:00 - [ 116]
Originally by: Stinky Spaniel
If you want to find out why some people play this game and avoid human interaction, go ask them, if you can get in contact with them.
Everyone has their own reasons, and thats just fine
Yes you are right, im not sure what Mr Black Scorpian was going on about. Too much coffee or sugar perhaps.
Well if you bothered to read my post you would, I will quote that for you but don't have the time to bother, ready above, should this post be 11 pages of the same quotes so you can FINALLY read what people are trying to tell you? and the reason as I said and is simple (here I'll put in in a separate line below for you:) People like to do what they please in a GAME world. There are different likes as there are different people. Therefore there are things that you will not understand, simply because people think in a different way and like different things. You may not understand it, however is as valid in game as what you like to do! Hope I am explaining this good enough to you! |
Pirate Tom |
Posted - 2006.11.16 17:04:00 - [ 117]
Remember all you carebear iron chefs out there... you must heat the inside of a carebear to at least 14,000,000°Kelvin or else you might catch something. The liberal application of filé and some paprika helps too. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance |
Posted - 2006.11.16 17:06:00 - [ 118]
remember though a diehard industrialist PvPs just not with a laser and cruise launcher. the market is a rough place where ISK can be lost in greater volumes then raw combat. |
Black Scorpio |
Posted - 2006.11.16 17:07:00 - [ 119]
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Agent Li
Caldari
CCCP INC
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:07:00 - [ 120]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now
Fire, Fusion, and Steel? Which version? |
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