Posted - 2006.11.14 20:57:00 - [3]

 

Which corp war declared you? We just went through this with my corp... in fact the war officially ends tonight. Unfortunately they don't have to have a reason and are probably just looking to up their kill mails.

Posted - 2006.11.14 20:59:00 - [5]

 

Originally by: Kara Narita

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Hi,

My Corps is new to EVE, most of us started playing about 3 weeks ago, we are mainly industry with some combat ships as escort. I however have found myself on the receiving end of a declaration of war via another Corps, comprised of rats, their intention to get free piracy rights.

How low can you get? And what can I do about it? Jack all. Apparently there has to be a specific reason for a war, and it has to be approved by CCP. Is this true? If so I find it extremely inappropriate that an Industrial Corps comprised of inexperienced members finds itself on the receiving end of an organised pirate Corps, with no hope of winning.

If this is what we are paying our hard earned cash to support, then I will definitely reconsider my choice of subscription. I can tell this game is European, as a British Citizen I see enough Criminals getting the good deal from society, courtesy of the law, seems even games hold true to our world. Thanks CCP.

Regards,

Kara

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Kara, first of all. Eve is a role-playing game. The folks out there playing pirate are just trying to have fun, just like you are. They have their goals in the game, and so do you, and if those goals come into conflict, they'll generally be settled with gunfire. If that's hard for you to accept, you are right, Eve probably isn't the game for you. You might want to consider some other online game where the players don't play against each other. Those are generally referred to as PVE (player versus environment) games. Eve is a PvP (player versus player) game.

If you still want to play, there are some things on your side in Eve. I have a small industrial corp too, and we've run afowl of pirates that we couldn't beat (given our experience and skill points at the moment). Try these things:

Move to a different part of the galaxy. The Eve universe is really really big, and there is no way that your enemies can tell easily where you are. Just move to a different region to do your mining for a while. Chances are they won't even find you. If they do, just move again. They'll get the point and drop the war dec soon enough.

Drop your corporation and form a different one. It cost the pirates a million isk to declare war on you. It will only cost you a million and a half to form a new corp. First, move away from where you have been operating as I suggest above. If they are so persistant that they come find you, drop your corporation and go back into NPC corporations for a while. Continue to mine, and when it looks like they have given up and gone away, form a new corp.

The last point I want to make is that it's not generally a good idea to bad-mouth players who are more experienced than you. If they take your ore or even kill one of your ships, kill them with kindness. Tell them "wow, you really got me there, grats!", or say nothing at all. It will make you less fun to pick on.

Good luck.

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:04:00 - [7]

 

Kara,

Welcome to Eve, it's a harsh game. Let me clear up some misconceptions about the game you seem to have and offer a little advice. I've been playing for three years and have seen a large majority of the game.(Except a T2 BPO despite all the RP I have damn you CCP!!!)

• The war dec does not have to be approved by CCP. The rules for war are the declaring corp has to have it's shareholders vote, then declare war and pay the fees to Concord. No where in that process is CCP involved.

• This game is a PVP based game. Despite what some people will try and tell you. Everything in this game is PVP even if you are only competing against other industrialists for the most profit. That also means that player corps are free to declare war on other player corps as part of that PVP.

• The corp that war decced you sees you as an easy target, stop being one. Find out who else they are at war with team up with those people and fight back. Use T1 frigates like Rifters or Kestrels and work as a group. Coordinate your fire on one target to kill it then move to the next. Most of these corps that target new corps don't like to lose ships to new players as it hurts their image.

• Unlike other MMOs new players in Eve do stand a chance of beating an older player. The new players just need to be 2% smarter than the old guy and work together. You will lose some ships but with insurance your pilots should not be hurt to badly. The older player will have experience on you I won't deny but don't let that scare you. I know some players that have been here 3 years that still don't know how to fight.

Have fun, it's only a game. If at the end of this fighting you don't feel the game is for you no big deal. Eve is not for everyone.

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:05:00 - [9]

 

Originally by: Kara Narita

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Fight back is exactly what I intend to do, they want free kills? Well it's not going to be that easy, and since new players don't even have a chance to get into the game before these low asshats make a killing on them, I guess we're just going to have to play it their way.

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That's the spirit! IMO, just outfit your corp all in T1 frigates, insure them, and have fun. Enough frigates "blobbing" can kill battleships! And with insurance, you really won't even lose much money at this war. Just leave your haulers and miners in station for a week and hunt THEM! When they see they aren't getting good loot and easy cheap miner/hauler kills, they will give up. Good luck!

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:15:00 - [11]

 

Originally by: Kara Narita

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Hi,

My Corps is new to EVE, most of us started playing about 3 weeks ago, we are mainly industry with some combat ships as escort. I however have found myself on the receiving end of a declaration of war via another Corps, comprised of rats, their intention to get free piracy rights.

How low can you get? And what can I do about it? Jack all. Apparently there has to be a specific reason for a war, and it has to be approved by CCP. Is this true? If so I find it extremely inappropriate that an Industrial Corps comprised of inexperienced members finds itself on the receiving end of an organised pirate Corps, with no hope of winning.

If this is what we are paying our hard earned cash to support, then I will definitely reconsider my choice of subscription. I can tell this game is European, as a British Citizen I see enough Criminals getting the good deal from society, courtesy of the law, seems even games hold true to our world. Thanks CCP.

Regards,

Kara

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Ill put this in a nice way - *snip* now u either disband the corp - recruit other noobies to help with the shooty or u go back to NPC and stop trying to be a leader.

Or simply take youre most trusted members and go join a larger corp who is organised but yes war is a central element to eve and as such u live with it or stay in a noobie corp youre a leader so lead. Weed out any alt spies etc or juts head for 0.0 empire griefers dont like chasing war targets to 0.0

Please do not flame - Petwraith

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:23:00 - [13]

 

Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 14/11/2006 21:25:08

Originally by: Kara Narita

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Edited by: Kara Narita on 14/11/2006 21:13:19
Thank you for the kind words all.

But please don't treat me like an idiot, I know all about role-playing games and the activities the go with them, I've played a fair few. I like EVE and want to stick with it, but when experienced players declare war on an inexperienced Corps in full knowledge they can wipe the floor with us, it leaves me somewhat dismayed with the organisation of the game and the ethics of those playing it. All I can say is if you have to sink to this level of play than you must seriously suck at the game, and you know who you are!

Don't worry about it guys, I see how it works, new players are fodder for experienced players. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. But here's the thing, we won't be new for long, and when we're ready, you had better stay out of my way! Again, you know who you are. You have been warned. This Corps will not tollerate any attack on it's members or it's assets. We will fight and fight hard. *removed*

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I don't think you're an idiot, Kara, but your reference to real-life criminals made it look like you're taking what these guys are doing personally. Like I said, they're just trying to have fun. They just think playing pirate is fun. Doesn't make them bad people or criminals.

Your reference to the Battle of Britain is more applicable. As someone suggested to you, different ships in eve have different strengths and weaknesses, and even the ships you can fly right off the bat can be effective if you play to their strengths. The Battle of Britan might have gone a different way if the pilots flying hurricanes and spitfires didn't know what they could and couldn't do against an ME-109.

Good luck, and have fun (i.e. don't let what goes on in the game ruin your day).

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:27:00 - [15]

 

I agree with the above, keep the RL politics and such out of EVE. I'm sure there are some corps out there that would be more than willing to provide assistance to you though.

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:38:00 - [17]

 

like i said a weak leader 3 man corp and u cant handle that - carebears dont make good leaders. Not flamebait but eve wise u need to be ready for war and its fun to

Posted - 2006.11.14 21:49:00 - [19]

 

Fight and you'll earn a lot of people's respect.

Posted - 2006.11.14 22:03:00 - [21]

 

I shouldn't need to dumb down my English to appease those incapable of intelligent conversation.

Posted - 2006.11.14 22:10:00 - [23]

 

Kara.... When we were going through this throughout this week this was posted for us by another member. I hope he doesn't mind me sharing his words....

Edited by: Taedrin on 10/11/2006 18:42:49
You have a couple of choices before you:

1) Take the war in stride, and engage your aggressors.
2) Hide
3) Disband

I'll presume that (3) is not an option.

The easiest thing to do would be to take option (2). The way you hide is by spreading your entire corp out amongst all of empire. This strategy follows the idea that if your enemy can't find you, the enemy can't kill you. And if your enemy does find one of you, the enemy hasn't found all of you. Remain like this for as long as the war dec lasts. Each week of the war costs your aggressors money, and while it's not a lot, sooner or later, your enemy will fold. Make a game out of it - how much money can you make them waste on the war dec, while not being able to find any of you?

Option (1) is considered a lot more honorable, but may not be viable since you don't have much experience. However, this can be a good thing for you. There are 2 little bits of wisdom that apply here:


When life gives you lemons, make lemonade

The word "crisis" is just another way to spell "opportunity"


The idea here is that you need to take this war dec, and turn it into a learning experience. Teach yourselves how to PvP. Get everyone to jump into their T1 frigs and have fun. Granted, because you are so much weaker than your opponent, you need to learn some tactics. Read up on Sun Tzu's Art of War - lots of wisdom to be found there. A few strategies to get you started:




Choose your battles wisely. Don't attack your enemy when he is strong, attack him while he is weak. Forget honorable combat. Do everything (that doesn't involve hacking, or breaking the EULA) that is in your power to win. Example, don't take on a gang of 20 cruisers against your 20 frigates. But DO take on a gang of 1-3 cruisers against your 20 frigates.


Be sure to share intel between corp members. If you get blown up by the enemy, tell your corp when and where it happened. Keep note of this information, as you may be able to use it to your advantage. Try to figure out when and where your enemy is active.


Attack your enemies supply lines. If you know your enemy does missions in a certain system, learn how to probe out missions. Camp the gates in that system so that you can kill them when they have to do a mission in a neighbor system


A mistake is only a mistake if you do not learn from it. You must gain wisdom from your own defeats. Instead of wallowing in self-pity, analyze a lost battle. Determine what it is that you could do to improve, and what you can do to win the next battle.

Posted - 2006.11.15 00:02:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: Kara Narita

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Oh sure, I'm a weak leader because I didn't send a telepathic message preventing an unprevoked declaration of war by a stronger Corps whom I have never even met before

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how you know they are stronger? as far as i can see you got wardecced by a 3-man corp and you have 6 members

anyway when they cause too much of a problem send me a mail, i´m bored as hell

Posted - 2006.11.15 03:32:00 - [27]

 

This type of activity is perfectly above board and legal, infact it's pretty common so I shouldn't worry about it too much Kara.

It's not all bad either, although you may have initially discarded the idea of hiring a mercenary corp to help you assuming the fees are beyond your means, that's not necessarily always true. Corporations such as my own can offer upto 100% discount on services if you can sell you and your buddies well enough as just wanting to get a foothold in the game. Mercenaries don't necessarily just kill your targets till they leave you alone either, if you ask them to and are prepared to listen they can advise you on which skills to train and fittings on ships to help defend yourselves as well as tactics and nuances of gameplay.

The PvP classes run by Rells are certainly a good option if you'd like to put up a stand yourself. I've not taken part in them but I have heard good things about them.

My personal opinion is that you've taken this all wrong, the CEO of the 3 man corp is a character only a few weeks older than you, your corp makes up for this by outnumbering them - it's certainly fair to say that with the right advice you can put up a sterling defence that will bellow these clunks right out. I think you will find that even if you only come close to turning the tide of the war you will enjoy the Player versus Player combat in this game and with these people that are not too much older than you you have an ideal opportunity to get an early grasp of combat long before Skillpoints and ISK come to matter. Obviously if you only wanted to do industry stuff in the game then I've probably missed the mark by some way.

CAPTAIN THUNK (professional clunk remover)

Posted - 2006.11.15 17:18:00 - [29]

 

Edited by: Buxaroo on 15/11/2006 17:21:03

Originally by: Miss Overlord

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like i said a weak leader 3 man corp and u cant handle that - carebears dont make good leaders. Not flamebait but eve wise u need to be ready for war and its fun to

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What makes you think that Kara even knew that this war deccing corp was only a 3 man corp? He is new and probably didn't know how to check for how many is in a corp. Lay off, you are assuming that he knows everything there is to know about the GUI.

Kara, don't listen to this dummy. A lot of leaders in this game have started out as carebears. Anyone that says differently is a full fledged liar. Kara, you would make a decent leader don't worry about what some of these people say.

Also, it's nice to see a lot of the BoB guys give good pointers to newer players.

I would give advice but I think everyone has pretty much covered it. Also, you might want to see about joining an alliance that could help you with the experience needed for these types of things. And yes, the war deccers are trying to have fun, or atleast get easy loot, but thats EVE. Just fight and don't back down.

Also, can't stress this enough: put you enemies in you buddies list so that you know when they enter local. It's one of the sure fire ways to know when hostiles are around.