Posted - 2006.11.13 21:11:00 - [32]

 

This is indeed a good one :)

I bet if you petition CCP for a new brother you might get one.

A cerb - what a shame.

Posted - 2006.11.14 02:23:00 - [34]

 

Originally by: podadot

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aw come on! the guy nos'ed a gate. do you really think this could have been anything other than a freak accident? i say give him a break. really, explain what the scam is? why should he be so severely penalized. it isn't as if he was killed by an enemy ship or even a rat. there is no benefit to him to nos a gat and no logical reason to intentionally do so. lighten up people!

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Life's hard. **** happens. There are consequences when you make a mistake, just like in real life. As it should be.

Posted - 2006.11.14 03:04:00 - [36]

 

Edited by: GPerson on 14/11/2006 03:05:31

Quote:

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You are walking down a street.
For some reason you are carrying a gun.
You trip, hand slips, and gun goes off.
You kill a cop.
"Sorry officer, I didn't mean to kill your partner, it was an accident, I swear! Can I go home now?"

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Let's play spot the difference between that and the original post!

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Posted - 2006.11.16 08:11:00 - [38]

 

I feel for the OP, but it's a tough lesson to learn and what you can afford once you can again.

Slightly off-topic, but while there are some that argue that pilots ought not be able to target Stargates under any circumstances, I'm all for swift pwnage by CONCORD for not being able to use your overview effectively. If you want to take the risk of flying a combat ship in High-Sec, accept the repercussions if something tragic happens. (lol, "risk of flying combat ships in High-Sec")

Posted - 2006.11.17 09:19:00 - [40]

 

Update: The ship was restored, including all fittings that were destroyed. Everything else was left behind in a can after the explosion but, luckily, no one grabbed it before I came back in a ship suitable to get it all.

So the overall outcome, I lost nothing.

To be honest I am surprised that CCP was kind enough to do that. But I can understand why they did it. No one killed my ship. My ship was not lost to combat with npcs or anything like that. And even if I am a 100% flaming liar, *why* would I target and NOS a stargate? You see, CCP does not have to trust my word on this one. Because even if I'm lying there is no better possible explination than what I already told them.

Now, if there are 300 other people who lost ships due to similar circumstances and petitioned for them back and got nothing, I see that my ship replacement could be a bit of a customer service problem, in that CCP did not treat everyone equally.

I hope that is not the case, and those who are reading this will use sound judgement (comparing my case with the case they know about where the person did NOT get refunded) before accusing CCP of favoritism.

Posted - 2006.11.17 10:06:00 - [42]

 

I have never made a petition for a ship loss and I am truly dissapointed in the outcome of this.

Getting a ship back for pilot error is not something that should become common place but I am seeeing it more and more now.

But if this got rembursed I cant think of a single ship loss I have had that shouldnt be re-imbursed.

Posted - 2006.11.17 11:17:00 - [44]

 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/11/2006 11:18:26
in ****ing credible


I've got an idea, I'm gonna start a GM school. GM's clearly know **** all about the game, so let them come to me on IRC and they can consult me on petitions, for free even. Then when they've learned they can go and play at gm again without me.

Posted - 2006.11.17 13:45:00 - [46]

 

Originally by: Sciencey Person

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stuff

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Please tell me where it says in the Reimbursement Policy that ships can be reimbursed if you lose them due to something totally unrelated to the game?

If a GM doesn't play by the rules set for him, he needs to be let go. Quickly.

Posted - 2006.11.17 14:32:00 - [48]

 

Originally by: News

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Please tell me where it says in the Reimbursement Policy that ships can be reimbursed if you lose them due to something totally unrelated to the game?

If a GM doesn't play by the rules set for him, he needs to be let go. Quickly.

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Since you have a hard time reading these rules here you go:

Originally by: Rules

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Note that this policy is not all inclusive. Other situations outside this policy may be deemed eligible for reimbursement if circumstances warrant such a decision.

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I think I don't need to highlight the relevant part as I did include only the very part that matters.

You hardliners really crack me up. Rules are made for a generally fair environment. But usually you give yourself some leeway for deciding some matters that aren't covered by said rules. And that is exactly what happened here. Obviously CCP did believe it or did not found enough reasons to doubt it. And afterwards deemed it reasonable to reimburse the ship. NOSing a stargate - which probably has been documented in the logs - seem good enough for me.

Posted - 2006.11.17 14:43:00 - [50]

 

Originally by: Volar Kang

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Gerell,
Let me ask you a question. If I bought a TV from a store and 6 months later I was vacuuming the floor and I knocked in off the stand and it broke, would it be fair of me to ask the store to replace it?
This is exactly what you are asking.

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No it's not. If the OP would ask for a refund of the already paid monthly fee you might have a point. But he did not.

Second the ship got destroyed by concord. Do you let somebody else clean your house? Would you not ask for a compensation if that person would damage your TV set? And how is it when you caused the person to trip and break the TV set then? Is it really all your fault? Or would you settle for 50:50 or 70:30? I've seen cases in court that did arise over less. It's funny that most people just argue black or white.

Posted - 2006.11.17 15:02:00 - [52]

 

During my 'Botox' days I lost 6 Zealots to CTDs, and all were in situations where I was winning the fight when the CTD happened. I petitioned them all, and never got any back. If this guy gets his ship back I am quitting the game.

Posted - 2006.11.17 15:15:00 - [54]

 

Originally by: Nardon

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Originally by: News

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Please tell me where it says in the Reimbursement Policy that ships can be reimbursed if you lose them due to something totally unrelated to the game?

If a GM doesn't play by the rules set for him, he needs to be let go. Quickly.

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Since you have a hard time reading these rules here you go:

Originally by: Rules

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Note that this policy is not all inclusive. Other situations outside this policy may be deemed eligible for reimbursement if circumstances warrant such a decision.

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I think I don't need to highlight the relevant part as I did include only the very part that matters.

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Originally by: The reimbursement policy

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The general rule is that we must be able to verify that your loss should not have occured during normal gameplay.

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There, I can do selective quoting too.

Posted - 2006.11.17 15:35:00 - [56]

 

Edited by: Charles Yeager on 17/11/2006 15:37:38
Edited by: Charles Yeager on 17/11/2006 15:37:02

Originally by: Andy Roo

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If logs show someone nossing a stargate, it obviously wouldnt happen during normal gameplay, obviously a mere bad happening, and got their ship back. Logs show it, whereas a CTD is no different than a ctrl-q, so theres no evidence to support it isnt intended. All seems fine to me.

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Its always nice and convenient when the 'logs' show something in one instance and show nothing in another. I would like to see these alleged logs. Once I CTD'd in a belt while flying a Muninn, when I logged back in the NPCs were scrambling and webbing me, and I could not target them. The target counter would count down to zero and then nothing would happen, no lock. So I could not break free and I could not shoot them, and I slowly died. The 'logs' in that case did not show anything I was told. I asked specifically what kinds of data were logged, and got no response. As for the 6 Zealots, just like he had no reason to nos the gate, I had no reason to hit CTRL-Q just as my enemy is about to die.

So please don't quote the logs you didn't see to me, it seems that the logs show something when they want to help out and show nothing when they want to say 'tough luck'. Its about time for an ISO 9000 certification so that the GMs can offer a uniform level of support.

Oh and yeah, suscription ends 17th of Dec.

Posted - 2006.11.17 16:10:00 - [58]

 

Originally by: Nardon

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Second the ship got destroyed by concord. Do you let somebody else clean your house? Would you not ask for a compensation if that person would damage your TV set? And how is it when you caused the person to trip and break the TV set then? Is it really all your fault? Or would you settle for 50:50 or 70:30? I've seen cases in court that did arise over less. It's funny that most people just argue black or white.

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Nardon your silly, where in your example does it show that the store should pay? Your example says maybe split 50/50 with the guy who tripped over the cord, which is the guys brother NOT the store. Concord did not trip over the cord, why is it their fault? If we follow your example every person who loses a ship can safely argue that they tripped over the cord and that caused the action that got them killed.

It is black and white, he did something illegal to the gate and Concord responded. It does not matter what caused him to do something stupid, the issue is he did something stupid and paid for it.