| Author |
Topic |
Audrea
Gallente
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2006.11.15 15:21:00 - [ 211]
 Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Farjung
I think you missed my edit: look at the fraps again, 3:38.
I am at work, my companies firewalls don't appreciate trying to watch movies over the net.
Yeah same here in uni, but we are smart, we found a solution: download the movie, and then use program called VideoLan - it doesnt require install into registry, system folders and codecs - it already has them built in 
If the movie doesnt load, change the video deinterlace to Blend or any other, and it works 
Off topic, can you install this therefore on somethiung like a USB.. ?
Yeah its totally7 independant from any installation/registry etc.
All you need is to copy the folder into your disk on key.
I believe its 25mb or so unpackaged.
Linkage
Hmmm, now to test if the IT here has or has not blocked the USB ports... 
LOL, unlikely.. if they block every possible exploit, they might as well throw all the computers into garbage.. they would be useless  You say they dont allow running .exe files.. why? what is the function of those computers? I find it hard to believe there isnt a single 'legit' use of .exe files for work needs.. eg picture viewer, whatever. You just gotta find a 'legit' excuse to force the sys admin to open up exe files, from there its easy :) |
Malachon Draco
Caldari
eXceeded
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 15:28:00 - [ 212]
Oh, they allow .exe files when they are put on there by the IT department. But they are very particular about others doing anything. |
Drusus Rensus
Gallente
Viper Intel Squad
Pure. |
Posted - 2006.11.15 15:46:00 - [ 213]
OK. Here's what I get from seven pages:
BoB thinks ASCN uses lame tactics.
ASCN thinks that BoB uses lame tactics.
BoB thinks ASCN is lame for thinking BoB uses lame tactics.
ASCN thinks BoB is even more lame for thinking ASCN is lame for thinking BoB uses lame tactics.
BoB thinks that's lame.
Aside from all that, here is what is becoming increasingly clear to me:
ASCN thinks it's unfair that BoB has spies in their gangs and on their teamspeak that report their every move and intention to BoB.
BoB's position is that as long as they don't break the EULA, they can do whatever they need to do in order to place those spies.
ASCN's position is that as long as BoB has those spies, and as long as they don't break the EULA, they can do whatever they need to do in order to counter those spies and protect their ships.
The standard on both sides seems to be "whatever doesn't break the EULA". So, I'd say them's the rules of engagement for the remainder of this conflict, since the sides can't seem to agree on any other set. So, as it pertains to this war anyway, any further whining about "lame" tactics is just that; whining.
Good luck, and remember not to break the EULA. And please, please, if you think the other side broke the EULA, take it to a GM or petition it to CCP. They might actually give a rat's azz. I think everyone else is just about tired of listening to it. |
Malachon Draco
Caldari
eXceeded
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 15:53:00 - [ 214]
Brilliant summary |
Joe Bloggers
Caldari
Doomheim
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 17:26:00 - [ 215]
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Farjung
I think you missed my edit: look at the fraps again, 3:38.
I am at work, my companies firewalls don't appreciate trying to watch movies over the net.
Yeah same here in uni, but we are smart, we found a solution: download the movie, and then use program called VideoLan - it doesnt require install into registry, system folders and codecs - it already has them built in
If the movie doesnt load, change the video deinterlace to Blend or any other, and it works
Off topic, can you install this therefore on somethiung like a USB.. ?
Yeah its totally7 independant from any installation/registry etc.
All you need is to copy the folder into your disk on key.
I believe its 25mb or so unpackaged.
Linkage
Hmmm, now to test if the IT here has or has not blocked the USB ports...
LOL, unlikely.. if they block every possible exploit, they might as well throw all the computers into garbage.. they would be useless
You say they dont allow running .exe files.. why? what is the function of those computers? I find it hard to believe there isnt a single 'legit' use of .exe files for work needs.. eg picture viewer, whatever.
You just gotta find a 'legit' excuse to force the sys admin to open up exe files, from there its easy :)
OMG - These quotes will break the forums like a hourglass! His admins probebly restricted all non approved .exe files, which is easy to do. Anyhow, some fraps of the gang piror to the battle will be nice, which will confirm/deny the logon trap, and I look forward to it when it is available. |
Slowboat
Caldari
Interspace Trade Consortium
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:17:00 - [ 216]
Edited by: Slowboat on 15/11/2006 19:19:27
Edited by: Slowboat on 15/11/2006 19:18:23
Not going to be bothered to quote stuff here.
In order to keep gang formed while logged off all you need to do is quit the game while in gang. If you don't leave gang before closing the client you will come back in game in the gang as long as you leave one person online to keep the gang alive.
Log back in and your instantly in gang.
I've seen it many a time and it is a fairly well known issue so your point about BOB pilots being in a gang so fast is kinda moot.
Note to self: Drink more coffee before trying to spell. |
ponieus
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten. |
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:23:00 - [ 217]
Originally by: Slowboat
Edited by: Slowboat on 15/11/2006 19:19:27
Edited by: Slowboat on 15/11/2006 19:18:23
Not going to be bothered to quote stuff here.
In order to keep gang formed while logged off all you need to do is quit the game while in gang. If you don't leave gang before closing the client you will come back in game in the gang as long as you leave one person online to keep the gang alive.
Log back in and your instantly in gang.
I've seen it many a time and it is a fairly well known issue so your point about BOB pilots being in a gang so fast is kinda moot.
Note to self: Drink more coffee before trying to spell.
thats not 100% correct. Yes its possiable to quit game and log back on and still be in said gang but I have logged off or crashed only to be needed another invite. |
Farjung
Gallente
TAOSP
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:26:00 - [ 218]
Originally by: Slowboat
Not going to be bothered to quote stuff here.
In order to keep gang formed while logged off all you need to do is quit the game while in gang. If you don't leave gang before closing the client you will come back in game in the gang as long as you leave one person online to keep the gang alive.
Log back in and your instantly in gang.
I've seen it many a time and it is a fairly well known issue so your point about BOB pilots being in a gang so fast is kinda moot.
Note to self: Drink more coffee before trying to spell.
Except it doesn't happen all the time; in fact most of the time when you quit the client and log back in you won't still be in gang. Test it yourself. Hence why often people need re-ganging after crashing. And like I've already said, the chat from before you log off is not still shown in the window when you relog, and it's clear from the fraps that there is a large amount of text in the buffer. This indicates that the pilot has been in gang and in game for a fairly lengthy amount of time (unless you want to propose that we logged on into gang and immediately started spamming it to make the gang window bigger just in case we were accused of a log-on trap, which, well, probably wouldn't surprise me any more). |
XoPhyte
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:33:00 - [ 219]
Edited by: XoPhyte on 15/11/2006 19:38:11 Originally by: Audrea
You say they dont allow running .exe files.. why? what is the function of those computers? I find it hard to believe there isnt a single 'legit' use of .exe files for work needs.. eg picture viewer, whatever.
You just gotta find a 'legit' excuse to force the sys admin to open up exe files, from there its easy :)
How it works (typically) is how we do it at our company.... All machines are "ghosted", meaning that they all get the same configuration. All software is preloaded into the Program files directory. Then the program files directory is set to read & execute only for typical users, only admins have write access. Next the "local machine" registry is locked for read only. Lastly a domain level group policy is used to enforce "software restriction policies". These policies only allow executables within certain paths (like program files and windows) to execute. Since the user does not have write access to these paths, they cannot run any arbitrary executable on the machine, but rather only software that has been preloaded onto the computer. Any executable file outside of the allowed paths much be allowed via a CRC (or hash) policy. There is no real way around it. Sucks if you have it, but great for me as an admin as I don't have to worry as much about trojans or viruses. Sorry, of topic from the OP, but just thought I would add it in here  |
Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion |
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:34:00 - [ 220]
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 15/11/2006 19:40:47Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 15/11/2006 19:35:45To sum up this and all the other BoB/ASCN related threads out there: BoB control 3 formerly ASCN stations. BoB is winning the vast majority of fleet battles. ASCN participation has been delcining steadily. Everything else aside, it appears that ASCN is travelling that rocky road that many alliances before it have traversed - the road back to Empire - unless it's members can find a way to motivate themselves sufficiently to stand strong and fight to the last man. Maybe this will happen, maybe it will not. Time will tell. Until the dust has settled the present is not known and neither is the future. If I were in ASCN, and if I desired to hold the space that is currently being incurred (reference here AZN), then I would post something like this on the forums and then stand tall, stand strong and fight: "You may have won the battle, but you have not won the war." Anything else posted by ASCN membership or leadership is simply bullox. Stand and fight, ASCN. Prove your worth. FIX proved it to BoB long ago, as have others. Your time is now! First edit to change one word: Settled to known. Second edit to add this: Yes, I know, we are BoB's lapdog. Riddle me this: Would you rather sit in Nira Li's lap (looks like a mighty fine one to me and boobies as well, woot!) or live in empire as a lonely old man? Of course, FIX is no one's lapdog or meatshield, but that discussion has been had a thousand times and everyone has their own viewpoint. But again, please solve the riddle for me? |
Slowboat
Caldari
Interspace Trade Consortium
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:42:00 - [ 221]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 15/11/2006 19:35:45
To sum up this and all the other BoB/ASCN related threads out there: BoB control 3 formerly ASCN stations.
BoB is winning the vast majority of fleet battles.
ASCN participation has been delcining steadily.
Everything else aside, it appears that ASCN is travelling that rocky road that many alliances before it have traversed - the road back to Empire - unless it's members can find a way to motivate themselves sufficiently to stand strong and fight to the last man. Maybe this will happen, maybe it will not. Time will tell.
Until the dust has settled the present is not known and neither is the future. If I were in ASCN, and if I desired to hold the space that is currently being incurred (reference here AZN), then I would post something like this on the forums and then stand tall, stand strong and fight:
"You may have won the battle, but you have not won the war."
Anything else posted by ASCN membership or leadership is simply bullox.
Stand and fight, ASCN. Prove your worth. FIX proved it to BoB long ago, as have others. Your time is now!
You might have missed it.. but ASCN members have been saying that since the war started and keep getting slapped in the face by BOB members as idiots for not just surrendering. BOB doesn't seem to care about anything but smashing ASCN into dust. Whether or not that actually happens... remains to be seen. |
Murukan
Minmatar
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:49:00 - [ 222]
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion |
Posted - 2006.11.15 19:51:00 - [ 223]
Originally by: Slowboat
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 15/11/2006 19:35:45
To sum up this and all the other BoB/ASCN related threads out there: BoB control 3 formerly ASCN stations.
BoB is winning the vast majority of fleet battles.
ASCN participation has been delcining steadily.
Everything else aside, it appears that ASCN is travelling that rocky road that many alliances before it have traversed - the road back to Empire - unless it's members can find a way to motivate themselves sufficiently to stand strong and fight to the last man. Maybe this will happen, maybe it will not. Time will tell.
Until the dust has settled the present is not known and neither is the future. If I were in ASCN, and if I desired to hold the space that is currently being incurred (reference here AZN), then I would post something like this on the forums and then stand tall, stand strong and fight:
"You may have won the battle, but you have not won the war."
Anything else posted by ASCN membership or leadership is simply bullox.
Stand and fight, ASCN. Prove your worth. FIX proved it to BoB long ago, as have others. Your time is now!
You might have missed it.. but ASCN members have been saying that since the war started and keep getting slapped in the face by BOB members as idiots for not just surrendering. BOB doesn't seem to care about anything but smashing ASCN into dust. Whether or not that actually happens... remains to be seen.
You are partially right in a couple of aspects: ASCN said that initially, but they have not said it in a good long while. BoB has, in fact, offered generalized terms to those wishing to leave the ASCN alliance. I have to disagree, though, regarding BoB calling ASCN idiots for not surrendering. Instead, what they are saying is that they should question their leadership about many things (all of which has been discussed ad nauseum) and consider changing that leadership if it is taking the alliance in the wrong direction or just cannot competently handle the current situation. While I agree that several BoB posters have muddied this message in various respects, if you look closely enough you will see DBPreacher, Hast, Blacklight and others have clearly stated, in a straightforward fashion, both the message and reasoning behind it. ASCN failing to accept the message is it's own choice, hence why BoB and ASCN are still at war. |
Death Merchant
Gallente
United Mining And Distribution
|
Posted - 2006.11.15 20:19:00 - [ 224]
Wow, The fact that this topic made it past the first page is a testament to you guys forum ******* skills  Thought sure it wouldn't go any farther than 4. |
Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2006.11.16 05:45:00 - [ 225]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Stand and fight, ASCN. Prove your worth. FIX proved it to BoB long ago, as have others. Your time is now!
You know, some people play this game for fun, not to prove anything to anyone. Seems like that's minority of players, actually. That's why TS spies make my fun go away. It's like all those kids using wallhacks in FPS, to see where their enemy is and what will his next move be. And that takes fun away, for me  |
Victis honor
Amarr
Imperial Academy
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 06:46:00 - [ 226]
Edited by: Victis honor on 16/11/2006 06:47:16 Quote:
Stand and fight, ASCN. Prove your worth. FIX proved it to BoB long ago, as have others. Your time is now!
Errr...your under the thumb of BOB. I'd take NO regions and fighting out of empire over being viewed as a 'slave corps'. I know you will debate your status with me till the end of time but you might want to take in the general view from the eve community as to where exactly FIX fits into the BOB empire. BOB stations, BOB rules, BOB space. Now, I'm not saying your current relationship with BOB is now beyond that of slaves...its probably is. However, originally, you WERE beaten to a pulp and defeated and remain in your space ONLY because instead of fighting for it, you decided to cave in and accept a BOB deal. ASCN has faced invasions before and handled them. I've got a feeling they will still be around even if they lose all of their space. IMHO, even if ASCN lose all of their space in a few months but still stand together and fight BOB out of empire with the aim of getting it back one day, they will still have infinitely more respect in my eyes than FIX. |
Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda |
Posted - 2006.11.16 07:26:00 - [ 227]
I know it wont change nothing but...
Come on poeple spies, log in log off lame tactics, wtf?
Whats the fun in this?You got game mechanics use them enough.
Bob you are great pvpers why resort to this?
And i know spyis may seem as a legitimate action wich requires effort but with Eve mechanics its so easy to plant them and there is little rl methods that in rl you could use to find them , well in Eve they are not possible to use.So imho spying is also lame.
As far as im concerned im appaled by both sides , laming ftw. |
Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda |
Posted - 2006.11.16 07:40:00 - [ 228]
I mean whats the fun in victory if you loose your honor in the process? |
Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 07:41:00 - [ 229]
its lame but necessary to win but when BOB are finished with ASCN - RA are next now we know most of RA are russian so ..... planting spies there will be more challanging |
King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 08:40:00 - [ 230]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 15/11/2006 19:40:47
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 15/11/2006 19:35:45
Stand and fight, ASCN. Prove your worth. FIX proved it to BoB long ago, as have others. Your time is now!
First edit to change one word: Settled to known.
Second edit to add this: Yes, I know, we are BoB's lapdog. Riddle me this: Would you rather sit in Nira Li's lap (looks like a mighty fine one to me and boobies as well, woot!) or live in empire as a lonely old man?
Of course, FIX is no one's lapdog or meatshield, but that discussion has been had a thousand times and everyone has their own viewpoint. But again, please solve the riddle for me?
At least ASCN have there own space (for now), what do you have? Also its better to die a free man in empire than be known as a BoB lackie. |
Silvero
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2006.11.16 09:38:00 - [ 231]
Edited by: Silvero on 16/11/2006 09:44:10
Firstly : BoB doesn't use login/logoff period.
But we are a big alliance and i can't quarantee that its not happening on a INDIVIDUAL level, however if we find out about members abusing these in our eyes exploits.
They will get a strong reprimand depending on how it was conducted, and if the directors finds it suitable the members know that the door swings both ways in this alliance.
What we see at our enemies ASCN in this case is that they use this tactics on a large level, FC's order ENTIRE FLEETS to jump in and logoff, this behaviour is even endorsed by the HC.
I haven't seen a login trap from ASCN, but i have seen them logoff on numberous occasions both on a individual level and on a few occasions entire fleets.
Secondly : Earthan i really did belive you knew us better then this.
And how can you compare something that there are no counter for login/logoff, with spying.
Yes we do spy and we have been fairly open about it, ASCN knows it but lack the diciplin and to be fair they really don't have thier things in order to prevent this.
However you can counter spying by implementing thighter security etc.
So you see does two things should not be compared since one you can counter, and the other is a falty game mechanic which is being abused and can't be countered.
And i find it quite naive of you to say that spying is bad and shouldn't exist, as i see it there is every alliance responsability towards its members, to have spys and informations sources so that the leaders can make the right dessisions and execute these in the interest of its members.
|
Ascend Alt
Amarr
Viziam
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 10:36:00 - [ 232]
All I know is that this "war" is the least amount of fun that I have ever had in the game in almost 3 years of playing.
I have no problem with pvping and fighting and losing shps, I have done it all before many times on various accounts and lost plenty and often had a blast doing so.
What I don't like is the sheer unpleasantness of this conflict. It is too "all or nothing" with, it seems, nothing being considered too lame or below the belt so long as you "win" in the end.
The spite and nastiness of the forum posts, the personal flaming, the recording of people of TS and putting them on public forums, the copying of private forum posts, all these things are just too creepy for this to be considered normal behaviour and for this to remain a game being played for "fun". Some people really, really, need to get some sense of perspective.
People are treating this war like it is real life, going around quoting Sun Tzu and other such nonsense - none of these things apply to a game.
I never thought I would say this but god i miss the fights with G/IRON, we had good fights, some harmless banter and it was all good fun, none of this TS spying and associated unpleasantness.
I feel pretty bad for the rank and file in bob as well, this war is not going to give you the great fights and challenges you hoped for. Unfortunately BoB has reached a stage where there are no challenges left to it in the game, which is why I think that all those rumours about many of them leaving for another game are true, as Slothe posted months ago, BOB is the "i-win" button in eve and nothing has changed since then to change this.
The servers still cannot handle large fleet combat and even if it could ASCN cannot match you in fleet combat terms and so I doubt you will get the 50 BS vs 50 BS fleet combat that you crave as its simply not going to enter into those kinds of battles.
Anyway, this will be my last post on these threads so have fun and as the Human Torch would say "flame on". |
Christopher Multsanti
Amarr
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2006.11.16 11:39:00 - [ 233]
Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 16/11/2006 11:41:09Omg still going ASCN, you should have just dropped the log on trap accusations in this thread when really it looks like BOB havent done that at all. You should remember that this thread was made by BOB to show they had a spy on your TS so they could gank a friegther. What you should have focused on here is the fact that even with the SPY on TS they still didn't kill frieghter. They are also pointing and laughing that your frieghter logged off. But so did thiers. So to sum up this thread would have been much better for you if you had focused on BOB incompetence and hypocrisy. |
Al Haquis
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 11:58:00 - [ 234]
Edited by: Al Haquis on 16/11/2006 11:58:47Edited by: Al Haquis on 16/11/2006 11:58:09 Originally by: Ascend Alt
BOB is the "i-win" button in eve and nothing has changed since then to change this.
If only you knew how hard we work for that I-Win Button. With love from Al Haquis |
Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda |
Posted - 2006.11.16 12:08:00 - [ 235]
Originally by: Silvero
Edited by: Silvero on 16/11/2006 09:44:10
Firstly : BoB doesn't use login/logoff period.
But we are a big alliance and i can't quarantee that its not happening on a INDIVIDUAL level, however if we find out about members abusing these in our eyes exploits.
They will get a strong reprimand depending on how it was conducted, and if the directors finds it suitable the members know that the door swings both ways in this alliance.
What we see at our enemies ASCN in this case is that they use this tactics on a large level, FC's order ENTIRE FLEETS to jump in and logoff, this behaviour is even endorsed by the HC.
I haven't seen a login trap from ASCN, but i have seen them logoff on numberous occasions both on a individual level and on a few occasions entire fleets.
Secondly : Earthan i really did belive you knew us better then this.
And how can you compare something that there are no counter for login/logoff, with spying.
Yes we do spy and we have been fairly open about it, ASCN knows it but lack the diciplin and to be fair they really don't have thier things in order to prevent this.
However you can counter spying by implementing thighter security etc.
So you see does two things should not be compared since one you can counter, and the other is a falty game mechanic which is being abused and can't be countered.
And i find it quite naive of you to say that spying is bad and shouldn't exist, as i see it there is every alliance responsability towards its members, to have spys and informations sources so that the leaders can make the right dessisions and execute these in the interest of its members.
Glad to hear you dont and i believe you.I ahvent been investigating all this, just read a couple of starting posts.Besides i known and loved BNC in past but lots of time has gone + i cant say i known really other bob corps... As for me being naivwe and spies well i disagree. Sure you can say you can counter spies in Eve but imho its so much harder then in RL because of lacking RL aspects that its imho still not good.And second point is its still agame, and being betrayed by someone from "your" team is the worse feelign ever, its just no fun.ITs like if in footbal teams would be put players who play for the other team .Not really my idea of fun. I see Eve a bit like sport. Im not naive i know everybody useses it still i think nopbody should . |
Ascend Alt
Amarr
Viziam
|
Posted - 2006.11.16 12:11:00 - [ 236]
Originally by: Al Haquis
Originally by: Ascend Alt
BOB is the "i-win" button in eve and nothing has changed since then to change this.
If only you knew how hard we work for that I-Win Button.
With love from Al Haquis
Mate I have played for 3 years, I know what it takes to be successful, my corp built an outpost within 2 weeks of deciding we would go for it, we know what it takes and am I fully aware of the effort BoB put in to their alliance, thats almost my point, the game at that level is more like a job than something you play for mere fun, and that is what this war is making the game feel like for me, a chore. For myself, I do not want to work all day only to log in at night and feel like I am playing another job, only one that doesnt pay me, I pay for it. There is no fun in this war, no humour, no laughs, its too much like hard work, and while I dont mind putting the effort in when required up to a point, there comes a time when you say "meh, now where did I put that Neverwinter Nights 2 disc". If people want to view being more dedicated to a game than someone else as some kind of achievement, or as meaning that you are in some way a "better" perosn then gl to those people, though seriously in 2 or 3 years time, or even 12 months, who is even going to care? |
Goberth Ludwig
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2006.11.16 12:29:00 - [ 237]
Mmmm BoB isnt the I win button, on a smaller scale they have been outplayed by Outbreak/Celes and on alliance scale it would be interesting to see them up againt RA again (ra and 5 alredy met once havent they?). Yes they are very good but I win button... dont think so. On topic of the unpleasantness, I noticed an incredible difference in the attitude of my own alliance mates between this war and the G one. Especially on the internal forums the ammount of hate and personal attacks was staggering and embarassing. BoB did the same on these forums tho, with the exception of the usual decent few. Ofc as the war went it only got worse... My personal theory is the reason you see a lot more personal hate is because the game doesnt allow for a satisfying large fight anymore. I dont care if you call me a whiner but the status of large fleet battles atm is simply unacceptable. Lag has become the lesser of the problems ("What an amazing fight guys I only hade 40 second delay on my modules!!") as the new monsters of Node Crash and the infamous duo Jump Queues + Emergency Warpouts have taken over (yesterday I was number #50 - yes fifty - on a jump queue while the fleet moved thru impass... luckily no hostiles on the other side  ) . Dont panic tho: ccp is just about to release a bunch of new ships including an even longer sniping ship and other shiny stuff like rigs  Fleet battles R.I.P. - But we can all hate each other on forums to compensate - Gob |
Kin Hanyerec
Amarr
Reikoku
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.11.16 12:39:00 - [ 238]
Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 16/11/2006 12:44:10
@Earthan
First of all spies and betrayal have always existed in eve and in rl. i do not agree when you say spying is easier in eve than in real life. It is just different : in rl you have infinite ways to detect but also to hide your identity and your past. in eve both are limited, you cant hide your corp history, your agent standings or your char age for example. In real life a background check cost money and time and cannot be done for every employees.
Active spies that start sabotaging are burned forever the very moment they take action, if not she is either very good or you have real security problems (the latter is more probable).
Inactive spies that limit themselves to observation can be detected too, just by looking at the time she spends working for the corp (if it's doesnt have ambitions of promotions this is why removing rights to forums and ts of inactive faceless people is important), or by using ACTIVE counter intelligence methods. Those methods can be pretty effective to detect any spy from any alliance you have a spy in, if the spy doesnt take drastic precations (a dynamic ip is not even enough).
Using "spying is too easy" as an excuse for not even trying to find them wont help. Spying is hard, i have spied, and i know i did things that would have marked me as a spy if the security just worked. But it didnt as most of times :) |
Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda |
Posted - 2006.11.16 12:59:00 - [ 239]
Edited by: Earthan on 16/11/2006 13:21:15
Edited by: Earthan on 16/11/2006 13:03:51
Tell me kin how you gonna find a spy who:
1 -is first purchased form another player for isk , long p[ast various corps etc.
2- Is played by a guy with 2 accounts, be can both play as his main with his teamates and as same time do enough for his corp to be active.
No way in hell you gonna track him.
And besides come on the guy must be lying to poeple who treat him as corp mate, make semblance of being frind faking everyhting and lying and more lying while at same time passing intel and dooming them.Yuo call this fun gameplay?I dont.
I seriously dont understand how can you do such things in a game for fun.Maby i could do it in rl if life and existence of my country would be in danger and i would still feel like ****.But never for fun.
On ther hand its forces all corps to be suspicious of everybody new for long time,not trusting to much, looking at everybody as possible spys.Again i dont call it exactly fun gameplay.
As said i see Eve as sport.You want to win but not at all costs , honor and fun while doing it is also very importnat, you still keep respect for you opponents team. |
Darcuese
Amarr
Destructive Influence
KenZoku |
Posted - 2006.11.16 13:04:00 - [ 240]
Edited by: Darcuese on 16/11/2006 13:11:32 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
My personal theory is the reason you see a lot more personal hate is because the game doesnt allow for a satisfying large fight anymore.
Hate Why do you think BoB members hate anyone in ASCN? As i said "previously in Dinasty" ....this war, IMHO, isnt personal as some others might have been in the past. This is just a chalange with positive results in the end. Anoyance is much better word, tbh. At least from BoB side (IMO couse im certinaly not representative). Yes, ASCN did choose DICE as target among other BoB corps and that might be the reason for some DICE pilots to have more pation about killing you in game and punish you. But I said..MIGHT...couse we know what we are and what we did....and certinaly there are no words on forums that will make us cry or something. What those words will do, is to make some ASCN corps restrinct from certin options after this war. But...hate is just... |
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