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Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET |
Posted - 2006.11.06 18:05:00 - [ 151]
 Originally by: crice
Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
LV talking about honor in the same sentence about offlining POSes via spies?!  Hilarious! |
Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.06 18:23:00 - [ 152]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 18:45:51 Originally by: Shadoo
Granted, I was only 8 months in the conflict, but afaik everyone in the conflict for the last year will agree to what LD is saying when he says main parts.
You aren't forgotten, like Chimp, but what's left of the old long-time participants, who began this, seems to be LV/V and RA. I see it still as the old war. Ok, Goons came, IMP, TCF, but in the end it's still the old war about the rivalry between, what's left of the Coalition and RA, at least for the people, who are in this for a long time. It's an emotional thing for me. During my whole 0.0 time, RA was the main opponent. I also met Imperium guys aside with RA in Curse already many months ago, but only small gangs, TCF now means that Section XIII is back on the field, also old curse inhabitants, who were in this already over one year ago. For me this war is the continuation of a conflict that started already with 5 vs. RA, when I (my other main) came to 0.0. I remember, when Section XIII changed from 5-friendly to RA-friendly, when they finally joined RA, our ganking squads with -GE- into RA space and all that. When V/GE helped my corp to kill a red pos in g-q in Wicked Creek with BS and one dread for fun, so that 5 and RA had the same amount of poses, sovereignty fell, and my alliance-less corp could take the station from RA, but not make it invulnerable due to not having sovereignty. We lost it a few hours later again. Was totally useless, but funny story anyway.  My 0.0 has been always about RA-related stuff. And to the goons: Sorry, just because Goons appeared on the battlefield doesn't change the emotional side for me. I'm not ready to leave my old wife RA yet, because of Goons.  |
Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears |
Posted - 2006.11.06 18:37:00 - [ 153]
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Vashi Dokumentu
Minmatar
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx |
Posted - 2006.11.06 18:46:00 - [ 154]
Respect for -v- ??? Hmmm never had, and never will....People who saying racist words in local, who blame russians at all problems in eve - no way......no way respect for -v-.....
fofofo |
Hawkings SJ
Caldari
Relaxed Creations
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:58:00 - [ 155]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Sigh.
LD, I like you a lot, much admiration for you and your peeps, you know that. But you have 0 chance in this war. Your members do not have the desire, the strategy and most importantly the discipline to win. It will cost you everything you have to try and defend, but you cannot hold out forever, you will need a back up plan. The goons will take Scalding pass, I am sure of that.
Well TBH, LV & V were both planning on unilateral surrender if Goons extend the KIA contract for another week. |
Kyguard
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:25:00 - [ 156]
Originally by: Light Darkness
I every respect RA in this War. But now i start to hate GS.
/LD
Whoa, if you truly hate someone in a game then you need to take a step back and take a break. The only reason you should really hate anyone or anything in this game is if you know that personally. Then again, you're prob just using hate to show your dislike for goons. And they don't even have forum wars going on..  |
Shadoo
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2006.11.06 20:37:00 - [ 157]
Originally by: crice
Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
It seems I need to once again state the fact here: RaGoons did not use spies to turn off sov/towers in N7-, Q-GQ, F-EM, 4-E when they attacked KOS. KOS was attacked on all sides, our supply lines became increasingly thin, our ice miners were constantly attacked forcing us to haul parts + topes from empire. Freighters had to be logged off due to heavy resistance on the highway, and replacement topes emergency cynoed in with Carrier bridges (2 cynos). It wasn't fun for the last few months as corps and people quit or took breaks thus putting more load on the ones who were still around. In the end -- towers ran out of fuel, some did not get guns/ammo delivered, etc etc etc... PS. Even if it was done to KOS -- we would not complain about it on forums -- seeing the Coalition successfully "convinced factions withing RA" to turn off towers during the war. Originally by: Plutoinum
You aren't forgotten, like Chimp, but what's left of the old long-time participants, who began this, seems to be LV/V and RA. I see it still as the old war.
I think for KOS every member who's been in the assault from the beginning has always felt and stated that the core of the war has been LV/V vs RA -- we were lucky enough to be part of it during the good times (and there were plenty) and bad times. A wonderful learning experience and great fun (except the last few months  ) for sure. |
Beyond Horizon
Caldari
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET |
Posted - 2006.11.06 21:18:00 - [ 158]
Originally by: crice
Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
DUDE, YOU should really STFU about honor here... before I start posting the logs i have =/ |
Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.06 22:01:00 - [ 159]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 22:30:15 Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: crice
Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
DUDE, YOU should really STFU about honor here... before I start posting the logs i have =/
Think we can stop it now. Fact is: 1) it wasn't due to an RA spy. 2) Like Shadoo said, we, the Coalition have used that method at least once. Don't know if it was an RA guy, who off-lined RA poses, or if it was an alt that we got into RA though. It was in cache a few months ago and I was there. RA thought, we used an exploit, but we 'bragged' on these same forums that it was a spy. Old story, so like Shadoo said, we couldn't even complain, if it had happened now, but it hasn't. (Since we admitted it earlier, really no point in denying it now.) |
Amerame
Gallente
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation |
Posted - 2006.11.06 22:27:00 - [ 160]
The vast difference between Veritas situation now and RA situation 6 months ago is that the SoCo has put carebears directly imported from Jita to take RA space, which didn't turn out to be a great idea in the long run. Now RA's allies are kinda stronger than KOS, ERA's remnants and other even worse alliances that names should better be forgotten that were in Cache / Insmother.
Imperium and TNT are made of hardened veteran looking for fights, not like it's going to be easy to fight them in GW. TCF, Goon have both sustained for weeks a siege from the whole northern coalition, we can both defend our PoSes against a whole coalition for a while.
People that were put in charge of RA territory by the SoCo were never able to control their space and eventually, and logicaly, lost it. On the other hand Scalding Pass is void of any Veritas activity, they never go outside of their stations / PoSes with anything less than 20 players, their PoS are regularly attacked, how long do you think it's fun to stay docked and blob once in while to defend a PoS ? |
Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.06 22:51:00 - [ 161]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 22:52:57 Originally by: Amerame
how long do you think it's fun to stay docked and blob once in while to defend a PoS ?
Sad thing is, we lack some serious blobbing capabilities. Lost my last tempest in a 20 vs 80+ situation in the night. But had still another one in GW on station, moved it to RYC to defend, moved it yesterday to 1v after the 'shock' and now I'm with it in JLO after surviving the lag and node crash in the 1st engagement. I could have made it shorter: I think I get my things done. Have seen better times, but feel ok. |
Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears |
Posted - 2006.11.06 22:55:00 - [ 162]
Originally by: Plutoinum
Sad thing is, we lack some serious blobbing capabilities...I'm with it in JLO after surviving the lag and node crash in the 1st engagement.
I'm hearing there are like 75 in the Red Swarm gang, and 350+ in local. How big of a blob do you want |
Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.06 23:21:00 - [ 163]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 23:36:47 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Plutoinum
Sad thing is, we lack some serious blobbing capabilities...I'm with it in JLO after surviving the lag and node crash in the 1st engagement.
I'm hearing there are like 75 in the Red Swarm gang, and 350+ in local. How big of a blob do you want
When we jumped into the goon camp, we had around 65 in the V gang. Node wasn't very happy, I got disconnected already when firing at the 1st primary. Took at least 5 minutes to get back in ( getting something on the overview again was another pain) and then I/we needed already to warp out. A few minutes later LV arrived from another system/gate and took control of the gate. Well, I've been 3 nights or so in ryc trying to defend a few smalltowers with 15-35 against 80-115 goons/ra/kia usually between 4:00 AM and 8:00 AM in the morning. Didn't work though, but well, blobbing is relative. If you are in the minority the other side is blobbing. |
Fartimus Prime
Minmatar
Doomheim
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:36:00 - [ 164]
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Unfamed II
Caldari
NPC Corporation
Paisti Syndicate |
Posted - 2006.11.06 23:42:00 - [ 165]
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears |
Posted - 2006.11.07 00:25:00 - [ 166]
hahahahaha |
k1Lz
Minmatar
FinFleet
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2006.11.07 07:48:00 - [ 167]
Lets stop all this futile discussions about honor, we all know that this conflict has evolve at a such stage that now each one of the side will use any mean necessary to win, is not about space or resources is just a pure hate war. Each one wish to see the other eliminated there is no more respect, there is no more fun only victory matters the rest are just side effects, see u in space ragoons. |
Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.07 09:03:00 - [ 168]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/11/2006 09:06:34 Originally by: k1Lz
is just a pure hate war.
A bit extreme. If I totally hated all our enemies, I'd get into trouble once I'd meet someone, who I dislike even a lot more. How should I call it then ? Ultra-mega-hate ? To be honest, on top of my dislike-list isn't even RA, but some other smackers of their friends. At least RA has proved something during the last months and maybe earned some right to smack now. Well, some others ... don't know. And I respect macteps gangs of course, the success speaks for him/them, so can't hate them either. And if others say: 'I hate -V- !' .... I give a fu**. You know the word. don't need your love.  |
arkarsk
Amarr
Viziam
|
Posted - 2006.11.07 09:07:00 - [ 169]
Originally by: k1Lz
just a pure hate war
I'm fairly sure that only a small minority on both sides of the fight share that view. Atleast, I hope so - if i'm wrong, then this stopped being a game... and there'll be some punches thrown at the fanfest :) |
Obivan Efa
Gallente
The Machines
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Posted - 2006.11.07 10:01:00 - [ 170]
Edited by: Obivan Efa on 07/11/2006 10:53:11
Notable...
Several months ago then The Coalition pressed RA very hard in 10 vs 1 advantage.. and RA had no stations in ownership... There were different words... There was no place for "respect", "honor", "deals with enemy", "NAPs" and so on. The Coalition had only 1 aim - destroy RA and nothing more.
And what can we see now? Pathetic fall of The Coalition.
There is only one respect in EVE - respect of the Force. And there is no honor - winner is always right. |
Taka
Caldari
Me Shoot Laser You Eye
|
Posted - 2006.11.07 10:40:00 - [ 171]
When your the attacker you have to realize that the defenders might actually come to defend...hence they will bring a blob. if we are whining about blobbing i wanna whine aboiut the time me and 4 corp mates went for a small raid in cache...guess what we got blobbed waaa waaa waaa 4 vs 20 is not cool ..but its funny when we just log of without agression timer. whine over....stop whining about blobbing when trying to attack a system...expect the blob to show. |
KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2006.11.07 11:14:00 - [ 172]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 07/11/2006 11:19:53 Originally by: crice
Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
Sigh. Just to clarify. You forgot to feul your pos.... KIA guys alerted our employers, and we mobilized the fleet and prepped the cap ships. I think that spin is just about the worst I have seen for a while. |
Light Darkness
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2006.11.07 11:25:00 - [ 173]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 07/11/2006 11:19:53
Originally by: crice
Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
Sigh.
Just to clarify.
You forgot to feul your pos....
KIA guys alerted our employers, and we mobilized the fleet and prepped the cap ships.
I think that spin is just about the worst I have seen for a while.
Sure Eddz. Was a good tactical step. But in our Ops to secure our last stuff out of JLO -> GS need to have a corp thief in a -V- Corp to grap the most stuff (POS equipment and a Carrier). So we see now wich lvl GS want to fight. But iam sry to say that we dont use corp thiefs to win a war or working like this lvl. And some words to Remedial: That dont care us if we loosing more systems or not. So long V exist GS will never have a free and save space in this area. Regards /LD |
Valen L'eganas
Gallente
Aggressive Tendencies
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.07 11:34:00 - [ 174]
And I would like to conclude with this fine (infamous) phrase:
(Allmost-) Nobody likes us....
We don't care... |
Snake Jankins
Minmatar
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War |
Posted - 2006.11.07 11:52:00 - [ 175]
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 07/11/2006 12:09:30 Originally by: Obivan Efa
Several months ago then The Coalition pressed RA very hard in 10 vs 1 advantage.. and RA had no stations in ownership... There were different words... There was no place for "respect", "honor", "deals with enemy", "NAPs" and so on. The Coalition had only 1 aim - destroy RA and nothing more.
Just 2 things: 1) I doubt the 10 to 1 numbers. ^^ 2) Some months ago RA lost space, like you said, all stations, because they were outnumbered. Interesting enough RA still exists and holds space again. Well, now it's RA, Goons, KIA, IMP, TCF and everyone, who's bored and comes for a visit against us. Perhaps you people shouldn't declare us dead, before it has happened. Remember RA survived without stations and was pushed back to Curse for some time. They switched to an avoid expensive losses at all costs strategy that we called 'boring'. But see, they live. And you were screaming: 'Go RA, go !' Maybe you should wait to declare us dead, before it has happend. We don't plan to give up Scalding Pass. We want to fight for it. If we lose it anyway, well, then we'll see. If people are motivated enough, it might continue for a long time without giving up, like RA did it. Have fun defending, while RA moves into the new regions or whatever. edit: Sorry, I like drama ( and the underdog role that's why most of my chars are minnies ) |
Obivan Efa
Gallente
The Machines
|
Posted - 2006.11.07 12:16:00 - [ 176]
Originally by: Snake Jankins
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 07/11/2006 11:54:31
Just 2 things:
1) I doubt the 10 to 1 numbers. ^^
2) Some months ago RA lost space, like you said, all stations, because they were outnumbered. Interesting enough RA still exists and holds space again.
Well, now it's RA, Goons, KIA, IMP, TCF and everyone, who's bored and comes for a visit against us. Perhaps you people shouldn't declare us dead, before it has happened.
Remember RA survived without stations and was pushed back to Curse for some time. They switched to an avoid expensive losses at all costs strategy that we called 'boring'. But see, they live. And you were screaming: 'Go RA, go !'
Maybe you should wait to declare us dead, before it has happend. We don't plan to give up Scalding Pass. We want to fight for it.
If we lose it anyway, well, then we'll see. If people are motivated enough, it might continue for a long time without giving up, like RA did it. Have fun defending, while RA moves into the new regions or whatever.
But LV or V are not RA - thats the point. Some time ago Coalition posters LOLed my warnings "Beware of RA - sleppeing Gaint in rising".. Time will decide that. Now I will tell u... U are afraid of loosing territory but instead u will loose all... Territory, Stations, Outposts, Stuff, pilots, resources, Alliance.. ur unity. Ask ur pilots - are they ready to fight hard exhausting partisan war for many months? Are they ready for long and not fun POS war? Are they ready to spend last isks? Be honest with urself. |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.07 12:20:00 - [ 177]
Originally by: Obivan Efa
Edited by: Obivan Efa on 07/11/2006 10:53:11
Notable...
Several months ago then The Coalition pressed RA very hard in 10 vs 1 advantage.. and RA had no stations in ownership... There were different words... There was no place for "respect", "honor", "deals with enemy", "NAPs" and so on. The Coalition had only 1 aim - destroy RA and nothing more.
And what can we see now? Pathetic fall of The Coalition.
There is only one respect in EVE - respect of the Force. And there is no honor - winner is always right.
words from the one who dont have a clue I see. RA was offered a NAP from the coalition back then, was offered to keep cache but turned it down, check your facts before pointing fingers at others. |
Papa Digger
Minmatar
OEG
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2006.11.07 12:25:00 - [ 178]
Originally by: Snake Jankins
Well, now it's RA, Goons, KIA, IMP, TCF and everyone, who's bored and comes for a visit against us. Perhaps you people shouldn't declare us dead, before it has happened.
If we lose it anyway, well, then we'll see. If people are motivated enough, it might continue for a long time without giving up, like RA did it. Have fun defending, while RA moves into the new regions or whatever.
Who said that -V- is dead? We always knew how dangerous can be V pilots. Let's check now for their determination.. (I hope nobody know how clone LD ) PS. "not giving up like RA" I like this comparision. Meet you on the battlefield. |
Obivan Efa
Gallente
The Machines
|
Posted - 2006.11.07 12:28:00 - [ 179]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
words from the one who dont have a clue I see. RA was offered a NAP from the coalition back then, was offered to keep cache but turned it down, check your facts before pointing fingers at others.
RA - not Coalition... thats the point. U didn't accept those terms? in vain... |
Shadoo
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2006.11.07 12:55:00 - [ 180]
Originally by: Obivan Efa
Originally by: Treebeard dk
words from the one who dont have a clue I see. RA was offered a NAP from the coalition back then, was offered to keep cache but turned it down, check your facts before pointing fingers at others.
RA - not Coalition... thats the point. U didn't accept those terms? in vain...
His point was -- Coalition did discuss NAP terms with RA when they were pushed to cache as has been revealed on forums before. The terms were not acceptable to RA and RA's counter terms were not acceptable to the coalition. As Papa Digger says -- the core of -V- is quite something. Their old core pilot's determination and commitment matches in my view those who were in RA core when they were pushed to one station (RA was stationless for a very limited time (if at all?) before they recaptured C-J6). It's one thing to take an outpost from an enemy. It's quite something else to try to take the LAST outpost of a determined enemy. Goons would do well to study history of the region and factor that in when talking terms with the old core -V-. It's quite something to have a determined hard core, old school enemy live in your mids for months on end, when you try to get on with your existence in the newly captured systems. In the end KOS noobs (indeed most fresh from Jita at the time) found this out and RA simply wore us down after what, 8 months? I always remember what an RA pilot said to me once when we casually chatted in local about The Big Blue at the time in Geminate and how much fun it was to go on gank gang runs through neighbouring regions instead of countless hours of chasing the old enemies (in inties) in your own core systems... 4 months ago he said, "Fun has to wait, we have work to do". Let's see if -V- can put "fun" aside for the next few months and instead focus on work. Perhaps take a leaf out of RA's book, log off your mains at the sieged system and go play with your alts. |
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