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Topic |
Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears |
Posted - 2006.11.01 23:55:00 - [ 91]
Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 01/11/2006 23:56:32 Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to, in case you didnt know, if logging on 450 people in a system with the state the servers are currently in was a serious attempt to fight and not crash the node and the goon forum post stating that they can do it again to crash the nodes and keep their POS's from being taken by the coalition is not proof enough, then I dont know what more you need.
EDIT: just to add, yes it IS nessesary to bring this many people to fight, if you wanna take a serious hit at a hostile POS, you need some dreads and a lot of support so bringing 100 people in from each side aint many tbh and its only a damn shame its not playable as I find it only amasing that so many people have an interest and a dediation to wanna be in the same system all at the same time in a virtual world :)
So what proof do you have that Goon purposely try to crash nodes?
You have a quote from their CEO saying that they have the capability to bring so many people to a fight that the servers cannot cope. Stating they have that capability does not mean they have ever deliberately tried to crash a node by doing so, and does not mean they do it regularly.
You have a single shuttle kill in their home system weeks ago that was carrying bookmarks. There are a number of reasons to carry bookmarks in your cargo hold, yet you automatically assume it was a bookmark bomb designed to crash the node, and again say that it is something they do regularly without any proof to back it up.
The reason people generally assume that the Goons crash (or attempt to) nodes is because of people like you who regularly make the accusations without any sort of proof whatsoever, or very weak circumstantial evidence at the most.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
Please give specific cases of them DELIBERATELY trying to crash the node. You examples have to have concrete evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt that the attempt was deliberate.
This is exactly the same thing they've done to villify Red Alliance - it doesn't have to be true, but if you repeat it enough, it will be true in some people's eyes. The whole EBay thing is flawed because in order to know it's Red Alliance selling isk, someone from the coalition had to buy isk off of Ebay and get it directly from someone in Red Alliance. And that hardly makes everyone guilty of it, even if there was solid proof they do Ebay isk. People just assume "they run the complex every day, they must be ebaying it", but never bother to look at some basic facts - like every station system they own having total, 100% coverage with large, online deathstars. That takes money. Running them 24/7/365 takes even more money. Capital fleets take money. Their mothership took money. A prolonged, two year+ war against half a dozen purported major PvP alliances takes money. Can I say without a doubt that no point has anyone from RED Alliance? Of course not. But unless anyone can prove otherwise, it's complete propaganda. Just like the "Goonfleet purposely crashes nodes" bull**** some people are pushing. |
Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 08:21:00 - [ 92]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
The whole EBay thing is flawed because in order to know it's Red Alliance selling isk, someone from the coalition had to buy isk off of Ebay and get it directly from someone in Red Alliance.
Have you ever heard of FDCOM? Had you ever been in CA? Zloba and the rest of RUS have a very long history, which you're obviously not privy to. While were on the subject, I'd like to correct you on a few things: Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Past
- Curse Alliance begins to break- One faction gets behind Duke Droklar, another behind Foyle - Shinra + Co leave over a dispute with Foyle, goes to Period Basis. A month or so later, Foyle's faction leaves for Vale of the Silent and Tribute.
Shinra + Co did not leave over a dispute with Foyle; VOTF announced to the entire council that they were leaving in early January 2005, hence why the entire alliance decided to go their seperate ways. Foyle had no "faction"--she hooked up with a few ex-CA corps and created F.O.E. Other CA corps developed a new alliance and based in GW. Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
- ATUK comes down from Venal and Tenal after Phoenix Alliance surrenders to a Pre- BoB Alliance (RKK, EVOL, ATUK). Conquers Detorid, Curse Alliance offically dead. This is why ATUK went back to BoB after forming DICE - most of them are old, old friends.
ATUK had strong ties with SA, BOB, etc. They lived in PO4 (in Curse). Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
- Pre-Five Form (Known as The Breakfast Burrito Alliance, or BBA): ATUK and Shinra enter into talks, invite BOS, Black Reign, Supremacy - All but ATUK are ex-CA members or made of up ex-CA members. Very few people know how ATUK and Shinra got talking.
Hmm, perhaps ATUK were CA members? Yes, indeed. SNRA + ATUK strengthened relations even more whilst conquering Fountain, Delve, & Period Basis with BOB. Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
- XETIC tries to lay down ground rules for BBA to follow, ****ing everyone in .5. off.
No; XETIC basically went to all of our allies (SE, etc.) and said that if we fired on XETIC, they would declare us hostile. Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
4/20/05 - The Five go to war with Xetic over the shooting of a .5. hauler. The hauler was empty and auto-piloted around XETIC space until it was blown up. The Five take the first station that same night.:
The hauler belonged to Shredder and it was blown up in KLMT (1 jump from HLW in Curse). |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.02 09:07:00 - [ 93]
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to, in case you didnt know, if logging on 450 people in a system with the state the servers are currently in was a serious attempt to fight and not crash the node and the goon forum post stating that they can do it again to crash the nodes and keep their POS's from being taken by the coalition is not proof enough, then I dont know what more you need.
EDIT: just to add, yes it IS nessesary to bring this many people to fight, if you wanna take a serious hit at a hostile POS, you need some dreads and a lot of support so bringing 100 people in from each side aint many tbh and its only a damn shame its not playable as I find it only amasing that so many people have an interest and a dediation to wanna be in the same system all at the same time in a virtual world :)
So what proof do you have that Goon purposely try to crash nodes?
You have a quote from their CEO saying that they have the capability to bring so many people to a fight that the servers cannot cope. Stating they have that capability does not mean they have ever deliberately tried to crash a node by doing so, and does not mean they do it regularly.
You have a single shuttle kill in their home system weeks ago that was carrying bookmarks. There are a number of reasons to carry bookmarks in your cargo hold, yet you automatically assume it was a bookmark bomb designed to crash the node, and again say that it is something they do regularly without any proof to back it up.
The reason people generally assume that the Goons crash (or attempt to) nodes is because of people like you who regularly make the accusations without any sort of proof whatsoever, or very weak circumstantial evidence at the most.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
Please give specific cases of them DELIBERATELY trying to crash the node. You examples have to have concrete evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt that the attempt was deliberate.
For proof, check Jaabaa Prime's post on page 3, the quote on the "goonleader" is from a forum post in goon forum, what more proof do you need than the writing of a goonleader posting it as a weapon? The entire section of that propaganda-post looks like this: "If RA and GS begin to get deathstars up in places like KZF, RYC, 1V-, or any KOS/LV/V outpost/station system, it will mean the beginning of the end for that system. A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can 1) time the stront to come out when we have 400 GS pilots online to fight the SoCo, 2) jump capitals in to defend the POS directly from RA prime, 3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH), 4) use the deathstar as a platform to launch even more attacks against in-system POSs, requiring the entire Southern Coalition to camp that system 24 hours a day to prevent us from doing so." I rest my case. |
Chochko
Caldari
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra |
Posted - 2006.11.02 09:40:00 - [ 94]
La Tortura
Awesome post... |
Fubear
Gallente
Vogon Heavy Industries
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 09:48:00 - [ 95]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
For proof, check Jaabaa Prime's post on page 3, the quote on the "goonleader" is from a forum post in goon forum, what more proof do you need than the writing of a goonleader posting it as a weapon?
The entire section of that propaganda-post looks like this:
"If RA and GS begin to get deathstars up in places like KZF, RYC, 1V-, or any KOS/LV/V outpost/station system, it will mean the beginning of the end for that system. A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can 1) time the stront to come out when we have 400 GS pilots online to fight the
SoCo, 2) jump capitals in to defend the POS directly from RA prime, 3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH), 4) use the deathstar as a platform to launch even more attacks against in-system POSs, requiring the entire Southern Coalition to camp that system 24 hours a day to prevent us
from doing so."
I rest my case.
Stating that you have the capability to do something is not the same as doing it. I will challenge you again to prove me wrong. When have Goonswarm deliberately tried to crash a node, and how do you know it was a deliberate attempt rather than simply more people showing up than the server can cope with! |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.02 10:03:00 - [ 96]
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
For proof, check Jaabaa Prime's post on page 3, the quote on the "goonleader" is from a forum post in goon forum, what more proof do you need than the writing of a goonleader posting it as a weapon?
The entire section of that propaganda-post looks like this:
"If RA and GS begin to get deathstars up in places like KZF, RYC, 1V-, or any KOS/LV/V outpost/station system, it will mean the beginning of the end for that system. A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can 1) time the stront to come out when we have 400 GS pilots online to fight the
SoCo, 2) jump capitals in to defend the POS directly from RA prime, 3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH), 4) use the deathstar as a platform to launch even more attacks against in-system POSs, requiring the entire Southern Coalition to camp that system 24 hours a day to prevent us
from doing so."
I rest my case.
Stating that you have the capability to do something is not the same as doing it.
I will challenge you again to prove me wrong. When have Goonswarm deliberately tried to crash a node, and how do you know it was a deliberate attempt rather than simply more people showing up than the server can cope with!
Logging in 400 people is for one purpose only as far as I know, to crash the node, deliberatly or not there is no proof of other than if a node crashes 6 times within a couple of hours when someone is close to take down some POS's I would say its on purpose. You seems to have an interest in proving that goon are angels, whats your interest in this conflict (not ingame so cant check if you are in any alliance)? |
Fubear
Gallente
Vogon Heavy Industries
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 10:50:00 - [ 97]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
Logging in 400 people is for one purpose only as far as I know, to crash the node, deliberatly or not there is no proof of other than if a node crashes 6 times within a couple of hours when someone is close to take down some POS's I would say its on purpose. You seems to have an interest in proving that goon are angels, whats your interest in this conflict (not ingame so cant check if you are in any alliance)?
Where did this 400 person number come from? I heard that the number of people was 200, and it must have been roughly equal numbers for an engagement to happen. My intel comes from the thread that was posted by LV on that topic. I also would not consider logging on 400 people to defend a POS dishonorable or an exploit at all. Finally, to answer your questions about myself, I don't have a personal interest in the conflict at all. My corp is a two person production corp run by myself and my sister, no alliance. I used to have a PvP character in IRON, but I sold it (for ISK) when I realised I much preferred the production and logistics aspect of this game to PvP. I still PvP over the weekends with a bunch of people I know in real life. I am posting because I hate to see entire groups of people stereotyped as cheaters and exploiters without any proof by their enemies. |
Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:10:00 - [ 98]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to
Commonly known by whom? By you alone? Or have you heard some whispers on the winds? |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:18:00 - [ 99]
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to
Commonly known by whom? By you alone? Or have you heard some whispers on the winds?
common known by anyone who fights against you :) |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:20:00 - [ 100]
Edited by: Treebeard dk on 02/11/2006 11:20:52 Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
Logging in 400 people is for one purpose only as far as I know, to crash the node, deliberatly or not there is no proof of other than if a node crashes 6 times within a couple of hours when someone is close to take down some POS's I would say its on purpose. You seems to have an interest in proving that goon are angels, whats your interest in this conflict (not ingame so cant check if you are in any alliance)?
Where did this 400 person number come from? I heard that the number of people was 200, and it must have been roughly equal numbers for an engagement to happen. My intel comes from the thread that was posted by LV on that topic.
I also would not consider logging on 400 people to defend a POS dishonorable or an exploit at all.
Finally, to answer your questions about myself, I don't have a personal interest in the conflict at all. My corp is a two person production corp run by myself and my sister, no alliance. I used to have a PvP character in IRON, but I sold it (for ISK) when I realised I much preferred the production and logistics aspect of this game to PvP. I still PvP over the weekends with a bunch of people I know in real life.
I am posting because I hate to see entire groups of people stereotyped as cheaters and exploiters without any proof by their enemies.
Info on the 400 people is in the same post as the other proof you asked for before, read it again. And noone ever said it was an exploit or dishonorable to do, just crashing the node on purpose. Enough said. |
Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:20:00 - [ 101]
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Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:22:00 - [ 102]
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Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:23:00 - [ 103]
Edited by: Pastora on 02/11/2006 11:23:25 Originally by: Treebeard dk
you can pressume all you want m8, it wont change the fact of what have happend so far.
Like when your fleet was the cause of node crash a few days ago? |
Chochko
Caldari
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:53:00 - [ 104]
I can /sign this - 2 days before 1 LV Black bird and one Craptor Crashed the node infront of me! They were scared of My Caracal of Noob-doom! |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.02 11:58:00 - [ 105]
Edited by: Treebeard dk on 02/11/2006 11:58:19 Originally by: Pastora
Edited by: Pastora on 02/11/2006 11:23:25
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you can pressume all you want m8, it wont change the fact of what have happend so far.
Like when your fleet was the cause of node crash a few days ago?
Yes, we crash nodes on purpose when we are shooting POS's because it makes sence  Even it that were true, what point are you trying to make that has anything to do with this topic? |
ISD Serathu
Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 12:25:00 - [ 106]
Thread cleaned. Discussion of RL politics or stereotypes is not allowed on the forums, let alone in here. Continuing to discuss the kind of things that have come up in this thread could earn you a very swift forum warning or ban. Now, back on-topic please!  |
Tecam Hund
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2006.11.02 12:37:00 - [ 107]
Originally by: Steve Minh
And its not just that attack a few weeks ago. They seem to be taking the game quite seriously now. It isn't uncommon to see an entire fleet of goons logoff instead of fight. A solid tactic to be sure. A complete 180 from when I fought them in S-U and they would attack and fight almost any numbers at any time. I personally think the Goons are a force to be taken very seriously now.
-- Steve
Wow, this makes me want to cry.  Personally, if my enemy would employ tactics like logging their fleets off, I would just hand them the stations and move on to better things. |
Boonaki
Caldari
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative |
Posted - 2006.11.02 14:47:00 - [ 108]
What are the standings like between the goons and ASCN?
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Cupdeez
Caldari
Out of Order
|
Posted - 2006.11.02 15:58:00 - [ 109]
People are saying Goon lack skilled player and experinces... Although I don't find this to be true
But if you beleave that then you might be supprised when a fleet with 200 players 70 from Red, 100 from Goon, and 30 from IMP show up.
Also if Goon did lack any skilled players or experinces they are getting it from there alliances
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Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2006.11.02 21:59:00 - [ 110]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/11/2006 22:21:03 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
The whole EBay thing is flawed because in order to know it's Red Alliance selling isk, someone from the coalition had to buy isk off of Ebay and get it directly from someone in Red Alliance.
I'm currently in the believe that some Ex-RA complex-runners sold indeed isk on ebay. But I don't say it was an RA as a whole or that most of the isk has ended on ebay and not in the war. Why do I think so ? Because it was a well-known RA, who said in local that he was there to kill those ex-ra guys in the complex and called them ebayers himself. I wasn't there, I just have seen that part chat-log, Ok, true, might be faked too or he just smacked. But it turned out that the guy was not joking about that the RA was really there to kill the other ex-ra guys in the plex, since it appears on the killboard. So that part was true. I have a personal opinion about it and no, it's not that I believe that RA currently does such things on alliance level, because I know nothing that leads to the conclusion. Maybe some people, but you might find those in other alliances, too. So well, that my current view is based on. I'm not saying RA and currently, I'm have just my doubts about some indiduals. I'm neither neutral in this war, nor objective. But I don't claim to know the truth. So it's also just blabla somehow.  And this thing is of no real importance in this war anyway. I believed also from some ex-blue plus-standing guys that they have been makroing/farming, because they did their thing 23/7. I've petitioned them. Nothing happened, but after some weeks they lost their standings anyway and my corp mates killed them a few times.  |
Nebuchadnezzar I
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War |
Posted - 2006.11.02 23:47:00 - [ 111]
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to, in case you didnt know, if logging on 450 people in a system with the state the servers are currently in was a serious attempt to fight and not crash the node and the goon forum post stating that they can do it again to crash the nodes and keep their POS's from being taken by the coalition is not proof enough, then I dont know what more you need.
EDIT: just to add, yes it IS nessesary to bring this many people to fight, if you wanna take a serious hit at a hostile POS, you need some dreads and a lot of support so bringing 100 people in from each side aint many tbh and its only a damn shame its not playable as I find it only amasing that so many people have an interest and a dediation to wanna be in the same system all at the same time in a virtual world :)
So what proof do you have that Goon purposely try to crash nodes?
You have a quote from their CEO saying that they have the capability to bring so many people to a fight that the servers cannot cope. Stating they have that capability does not mean they have ever deliberately tried to crash a node by doing so, and does not mean they do it regularly.
You have a single shuttle kill in their home system weeks ago that was carrying bookmarks. There are a number of reasons to carry bookmarks in your cargo hold, yet you automatically assume it was a bookmark bomb designed to crash the node, and again say that it is something they do regularly without any proof to back it up.
The reason people generally assume that the Goons crash (or attempt to) nodes is because of people like you who regularly make the accusations without any sort of proof whatsoever, or very weak circumstantial evidence at the most.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
Please give specific cases of them DELIBERATELY trying to crash the node. You examples have to have concrete evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt that the attempt was deliberate.
Aha, so what you basically are saying: "Just because they include their own ability to crash nodes in their tatical assesments doesnt mean they'll do it" Why mention a tatical option if you are not actively using it/prepared to do so? Anyone with insight into the SA community need no evidence of how far goons are willing to go in games though, im not even sure they will deny this themselves. |
Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears |
Posted - 2006.11.03 01:08:00 - [ 112]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
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Well Nebba, you've impressed me. You copied and pasted a month-old post by me from the goonfleet.com forums, took it out of context, and then managed to find two (maybe three) factual mistakes out of a three-page post. Kudos. Originally by: Plutoinum
I have a personal opinion about it and no, it's not that I believe that RA currently does such things on alliance level, because I know nothing that leads to the conclusion.
Maybe some people, but you might find those in other alliances, too.
So well, that my current view is based on. I'm not saying RA and currently, I'm have just my doubts about some indiduals. I'm neither neutral in this war, nor objective. But I don't claim to know the truth. So it's also just blabla somehow.
I don't think anyone condones it on an alliance level - I know a Chorus of Dawn corporation recently let in a few macroratters, and when they found out, they were kicked out. The macro-ers are still going at it in newbie corps. There's another thread going on in this forum about CHIMP letting macrominers go at it. I know the bottom few systems in Period Basis have macro-ratters in it; I tried ratting there a few months back. My point is any alliance might have e-bayers/macroers in it, but they are kind of hard to tie to anyone in particular. I think Red Alliance gets a lot of the bad rap because of the language/cultural differences and stereo-types westerns have of them. And even I have to be honest, I have a hard time underdstanding their devotion to complexes, but I can see where they come from - an hour's worth of complexing beats the hell out of twelve or more hours of mining. Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
Aha, so what you basically are saying: "Just because they include their own ability to crash nodes in their tatical assesments doesnt mean they'll do it"
Why mention a tatical option if you are not actively using it/prepared to do so?
Anyone with insight into the SA community need no evidence of how far goons are willing to go in games though, im not even sure they will deny this themselves.
He asked for proof, you're giving him the run-around. Post the proof or don't post at all. |
Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:26:00 - [ 113]
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Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.03 08:34:00 - [ 114]
Edited by: Treebeard dk on 03/11/2006 08:34:39 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
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Well Nebba, you've impressed me. You copied and pasted a month-old post by me from the goonfleet.com forums, took it out of context, and then managed to find two (maybe three) factual mistakes out of a three-page post. Kudos.
Originally by: Plutoinum
I have a personal opinion about it and no, it's not that I believe that RA currently does such things on alliance level, because I know nothing that leads to the conclusion.
Maybe some people, but you might find those in other alliances, too.
So well, that my current view is based on. I'm not saying RA and currently, I'm have just my doubts about some indiduals. I'm neither neutral in this war, nor objective. But I don't claim to know the truth. So it's also just blabla somehow.
I don't think anyone condones it on an alliance level - I know a Chorus of Dawn corporation recently let in a few macroratters, and when they found out, they were kicked out. The macro-ers are still going at it in newbie corps. There's another thread going on in this forum about CHIMP letting macrominers go at it. I know the bottom few systems in Period Basis have macro-ratters in it; I tried ratting there a few months back.
My point is any alliance might have e-bayers/macroers in it, but they are kind of hard to tie to anyone in particular. I think Red Alliance gets a lot of the bad rap because of the language/cultural differences and stereo-types westerns have of them. And even I have to be honest, I have a hard time underdstanding their devotion to complexes, but I can see where they come from - an hour's worth of complexing beats the hell out of twelve or more hours of mining.
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
Aha, so what you basically are saying: "Just because they include their own ability to crash nodes in their tatical assesments doesnt mean they'll do it"
Why mention a tatical option if you are not actively using it/prepared to do so?
Anyone with insight into the SA community need no evidence of how far goons are willing to go in games though, im not even sure they will deny this themselves.
He asked for proof, you're giving him the run-around. Post the proof or don't post at all.
As said before, it has already meen proven, no need for him to do it and since you are not there you cant prove it wrong. |
Chochko
Caldari
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra |
Posted - 2006.11.03 08:42:00 - [ 115]
Ok those kind of "proofs" are absolute joke...
I can fabricate a "post" too and say that i copy it from whatever forum - the question is how this demonstrates the truth of those words? - Not at all.
Another thing is to get just part of said "post" and make comments over those part. This is just a plain manipulation.
There is a local saying in my country - "We dont eat the tomatoes with the stakes" |
Noluck Ned
Gallente
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2006.11.03 09:07:00 - [ 116]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
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Well Nebba, you've impressed me. You copied and pasted a month-old post by me from the goonfleet.com forums, took it out of context, and then managed to find two (maybe three) factual mistakes out of a three-page post. Kudos.
Originally by: Plutoinum
I have a personal opinion about it and no, it's not that I believe that RA currently does such things on alliance level, because I know nothing that leads to the conclusion.
Maybe some people, but you might find those in other alliances, too.
So well, that my current view is based on. I'm not saying RA and currently, I'm have just my doubts about some indiduals. I'm neither neutral in this war, nor objective. But I don't claim to know the truth. So it's also just blabla somehow.
I don't think anyone condones it on an alliance level - I know a Chorus of Dawn corporation recently let in a few macroratters, and when they found out, they were kicked out. The macro-ers are still going at it in newbie corps. There's another thread going on in this forum about CHIMP letting macrominers go at it. I know the bottom few systems in Period Basis have macro-ratters in it; I tried ratting there a few months back.
My point is any alliance might have e-bayers/macroers in it, but they are kind of hard to tie to anyone in particular. I think Red Alliance gets a lot of the bad rap because of the language/cultural differences and stereo-types westerns have of them. And even I have to be honest, I have a hard time underdstanding their devotion to complexes, but I can see where they come from - an hour's worth of complexing beats the hell out of twelve or more hours of mining.
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
Aha, so what you basically are saying: "Just because they include their own ability to crash nodes in their tatical assesments doesnt mean they'll do it"
Why mention a tatical option if you are not actively using it/prepared to do so?
Anyone with insight into the SA community need no evidence of how far goons are willing to go in games though, im not even sure they will deny this themselves.
He asked for proof, you're giving him the run-around. Post the proof or don't post at all.
Methinks he doth protest too much (look it up  ) |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.03 09:19:00 - [ 117]
Originally by: Chochko
Ok those kind of "proofs" are absolute joke...
I can fabricate a "post" too and say that i copy it from whatever forum - the question is how this demonstrates the truth of those words? - Not at all.
Another thing is to get just part of said "post" and make comments over those part. This is just a plain manipulation.
There is a local saying in my country - "We dont eat the tomatoes with the stakes"
The lenght of the total propaganda post from goon forums, kinda makes it reliable and the crap posted in there to fool goon-members are exaggerated enough to be proof enough that no other than a goon could have written it, certainly noone in LV or V has that much imagination |
Chochko
Caldari
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra |
Posted - 2006.11.03 09:46:00 - [ 118]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
The lenght of the total propaganda post from goon forums, kinda makes it reliable and the crap posted in there to fool goon-members are exaggerated enough to be proof enough that no other than a goon could have written it, certainly noone in LV or V has that much imagination
Every above-average manipulator can make reliable falsification. And those forums are full with near-perfect manipulators. So dont try to sell me this. There is no such thing named proof in MMORPGs/Forums. All is - do you accept it or not. When it is not familiar with your thinking - it is a unspeakable lie. OR when you like the proof - it is abslolutly truth. Depends only from the point of view. |
Treebeard dk
Caldari
M. Corp
Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2006.11.03 10:18:00 - [ 119]
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Velios
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE |
Posted - 2006.11.03 10:42:00 - [ 120]
Bored of this thread now. Tree pack it in mate, why keep such a sad trvesty of a thread alive man.
Goon have been getting people into GB- to pull a log on trap, their op starts at 02:00 EVE Time saturday morning, but they need to be logged off at the 2-1 POS loooooooong before the op starts so they can pull the log-in trap.
Lets focus on how this develops instead. It will be interesting.
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