Posted - 2006.10.30 17:21:00 - [62]

 

Originally by: Buxaroo

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Edited by: Buxaroo on 28/10/2006 10:09:40
Edited by: Buxaroo on 28/10/2006 10:07:34
Anyone with half a brain can see the obvious reason why BoB hasn't done anything in regards to Goons. Goons/RA are keeping LV/V busy while BoB takes on ASCN without facing a huge coalition. I am sure if they are victorious in the ASCN war, and the Goons gain victory with RA, BoB will come down on Goons sooner or later.

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I'm not sure if BoB could actually dislodge RA if they tried. While I certainly don't agree with RA's Tactics, Techniques and Procedures, they certainly are effective. The Five tried and failed, and now the Coalition has tried and failed for months to dislodge Red Alliance. BoB may be able to win spectacular victories against RA/GS, but they would never dislodge RA. BoB would get bored, declare victory, and leave. RA/GS would fully operational again with a couple of weeks.

Posted - 2006.10.31 08:56:00 - [64]

 

Edited by: Treebeard dk on 31/10/2006 08:56:51


Whatever tactics are used and how hard either side fights in this war, or these types of war, one side cant win over the other completly, we have here 2 isk-strong sides that have the capability to keep on fighting and one side has a different main primetime of opertations than the other. Those 2 things are the reason why it has to be one of the sides that had enough of boring warfare and pull themselves out if there is to be named a winner here. Remember, many might think we hate having hostiles around us, we dont, aint that what this game is all about? Why save up isk for years if you are just gonna keep mining, NPC'ing and build up your wealth if you aint gonna spend it? Without hostiles around many would be bored (yes more bored than POS warfare ) and leave to go places where there is hostiles around.

Lets see how efficient RA/GOON/IMP/TCF + friends is, lets see if they can do it better than the coalition did when RA claimed "we're fighting 10:1 odds against the coalition, they suck". Its not about numbers, it takes 1 man to fuel a POS, 1 man to manipulate the strontium levels, 1 man to counter a 200 man capital fleet, yes POS warfare is boring and it probaly wont chance much anytime soon, its the same for both sides but my point is that numbers does not mean you win the POS war and it brings me back to my man point, that this war will only find a winner if one side pulls out themselves.

Posted - 2006.10.31 13:23:00 - [66]

 

Edited by: Tyleritus on 31/10/2006 13:23:57

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime

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Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 31/10/2006 12:06:35

Originally by: arkarsk

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How could you possibly know that? The fact that they are attacking you does not necessarily make them RA's lapdogs.

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Not lapdogs, more of a meat shield and it's a large one at that.

RA are proving how to make ISK in EVE, but I can't really imagine it as being fun the way they play.

Logoff, complex whoring and strontium tuning with a bit of POS shield boosting evers now and again to break the monotony.

In days log past, "The russians" were a feared and respected part of CA. Fearless in their attacks and more often than not winning against overwhelming odds. They were truely a sight to behold.

The new "RA" has changed into something that pales by comparison.

With the new RaGoon team using these boring and not very entertaining tactics the south of EVE will probably get even more boring.

I find a quote from a certain GoonSwarm leader to be very interesting though:

Originally by: GoonSwarm Leader

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A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can
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3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH)
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I don't want to insinuate anything, but 6 node crashes in GB-6 the other night was an extremely rare occurrence ... BTW, what happened in XZH ?

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Verry Well put, work arounds and explots do not a game make....

edit spelling

Posted - 2006.10.31 14:28:00 - [68]

 

Edited by: Spike Spegel on 31/10/2006 14:27:56

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime

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I don't want to insinuate anything, but 6 node crashes in GB-6 the other night was an extremely rare occurrence ... BTW, what happened in XZH ?

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One of the bloodies fights for weeks I have ever taken part in ;) Also POS war, node crashes and so on ;)

Posted - 2006.10.31 15:30:00 - [70]

 

Originally by: Fubear

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According to the thread that you guys posted on the topic (of the node crash), there were over two hundred people in local at the time, approximately even numbers you/them. You cannot seriously lay the blame of a node crash with 200+ people shooting at each other on the same grid entirely at their feet.

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I don't think there was an example (that night, in gb-) of a 100v100 battle. Coalition forces didn't all arrive at once for a start. Could be wrong, I might have missed out on all the fun before I got there .

I don't know what caused the same system to go down six times in three or four hours (for all we know it was moved to another node so I don't think we can assume it was the same node every time) but it is pretty unusual.

All of which is largely besides the point, the servers should easily be able to cope with a 100v100 battle.

Posted - 2006.10.31 15:44:00 - [72]

 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime

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I find a quote from a certain GoonSwarm leader to be very interesting though:

Originally by: GoonSwarm Leader

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A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can
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3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH)
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I don't want to insinuate anything, but 6 node crashes in GB-6 the other night was an extremely rare occurrence ... BTW, what happened in XZH ?

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It was probably -V-

Sexorella hotz > crash this ******* node, play the goon game...
Marneous Calgar > or we will be spending months fighting over that system

Light Darkness > 85 IN HERE AND NOONE INTEREST IT THAT WE LOOSE POSES HERE
General Dynasty > 19 IN GANG IF YOU ARE NOT IN GANG PACK YOUR **** UP AND LEAVE ALLIANCE
General Dynasty > I ****IN SERIOUS
The ArchWarder > WE NEED NEED EVERYBODY WE CAN GET TO GET ONTO A CHEAP CRUISER THAT CAN DEPLOY 5 DRONES ( lights meds what ever ) AND GET INTO RYC ASAP WE ARE GONA TRASH THIS SFKIN NODDE

Grow up Jaabaa, no one is seriously trying to crash the node, everyone is just frustrated about the current state of the servers. Everyone knows it takes sixty people in the same system to bring a node to its knees since the dragon patch. Hopefully tomorrow fixes things up a bit because I'm sick of getting unplayable lag in Syndicate every time a few Battleships engage eachother in Scalding Pass.

Posted - 2006.10.31 23:47:00 - [74]

 

Originally by: Omeega

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Edited by: Omeega on 31/10/2006 22:10:31

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime

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Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 31/10/2006 12:06:35

Originally by: arkarsk

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How could you possibly know that? The fact that they are attacking you does not necessarily make them RA's lapdogs.

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Not lapdogs, more of a meat shield and it's a large one at that.

RA are proving how to make ISK in EVE, but I can't really imagine it as being fun the way they play.

Logoff, complex whoring and strontium tuning with a bit of POS shield boosting evers now and again to break the monotony.

In days log past, "The russians" were a feared and respected part of CA. Fearless in their attacks and more often than not winning against overwhelming odds. They were truely a sight to behold.

The new "RA" has changed into something that pales by comparison.

With the new RaGoon team using these boring and not very entertaining tactics the south of EVE will probably get even more boring.

I find a quote from a certain GoonSwarm leader to be very interesting though:

Originally by: GoonSwarm Leader

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A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can
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3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH)
...

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I don't want to insinuate anything, but 6 node crashes in GB-6 the other night was an extremely rare occurrence ... BTW, what happened in XZH ?

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How do they fill their killboard daily?

I mean how can YOU judge the RED ALLIANCE.

For them you where just a pack of cowboys who wanted to make themselves a name.

And failed. Putting the fault on POS, Ebaying and exploiting.

When will you see that you all lack of determination to achieve anything impressive in EVE.

p.ex. BOB can accomplish something because they have the volontey to do so.
[G] also did alongside with IRON.
IMP, in surviving in small numbers and now re-living also did.
RA, going through massive war with [5]+ATUK (I'm still believing that if ATUK had put their whole power on RA the war would have been much longer) and getting out of it alive.
And much more.

But not LV. (I'm taking -v- appart / they don't post the exact crap as LV does) You achieved nothing. Crying about exploit, lags and cheats.

You said Russians play the game weirdly? What would you think of having someone that you shoot and everytime you win he gets all red and starts to cry?

I'd continue killing him.

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You, supporting RA ?

What I said was:

Quote:

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In days log past, "The russians" were a feared and respected part of CA. Fearless in their attacks and more often than not winning against overwhelming odds. They were truely a sight to behold.

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You were one of those fearless russians in CA, so why did you join AAA and not RA ? Not your way to play the game ?

Posted - 2006.11.01 00:48:00 - [76]

 

Edited by: Refeirg Atonmi on 03/11/2006 20:44:28
edit: getting out of this trollfest, enjoy yourselfs

Posted - 2006.11.01 02:51:00 - [78]

 

I can't tell if this is a pathetic troll attempt or epic sarcasm:

Originally by: Refeirg Atonmi

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Edited by: Refeirg Atonmi on 01/11/2006 00:48:17

What the hell is this supposed to prove?
Nothing really, since it's common knowledge Goonswarm intentionally creates lag when its convenient. I just supplied an example of how, ie: bookmark bombs.

Wow, an instance of a goon dying and dropping only the most commonly used pipe-insta set in syndicate!
Not knowing what you're talking about FTL...
The screenshot was taken after LV went on holiday in S-U and broke up the initial gate camp. Reading comprehension helps here, because if you notice the little chat box at the bottom left of the screenshot, you'll find out what kind of ship this can came from.

Has anyone even tested if 'bookmark bombs' actually 'work' and lag?
Yes. Which is why bookmark bombs are used by everyone and their mom to stop empire gankers from scanning their cargo holds. Opening a can with 40+ bookmarks after a battle with 183 people local will lock your client for a significant period of time.

How long have you been playing this game, again?

You're flinging mud in a desperate attempt to rally support against Goonswarm, and it's really reflecting poorly on your alliance.
No I'm not, and no it's not. I was just posting that screeny as a joke. I find it amusing that you consider me showing evidence of them using Crap Tactics™ to be "reflecting poorly" on my alliance. LV's not the one who made the BM bombs, champ.

I'm fairly sure you and your fellow alliance members didnt coincidentally happen to trod into this thread and start trolling all at once.
Yeah, you got us there. There was an immediate alliance CALL TO ARMS Eve-mail sent out for us to blob this thread the second it was posted. That's because LV is in league with the devil ya know, and he grants us psychic forum powers through which we can detect any post on Eve-O concerning LV, the Coalition, RA, or Goonswarm. The only way to prevent this us from pre-emptively assaulting such a thread is to wrap a roll of tinfoil around your head so we can't scan your brain and then post it.

Atleast goonswarm takes the higher road...
I think a solid 'LOL' is all that is required here.

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Pro-tip: Know what you're talking about before flaming someone next time, k slugger?

Posted - 2006.11.01 03:44:00 - [80]

 

Back in the day, the fun thing about fighting goon was that they would just keep coming on even though you would kill tons of them. When they first appeared in Insmother it was a real treat to actually have someone that would fight after chasing RA around for months.

Sounds like they're learning some tricks from their new masters. Oh well.

Posted - 2006.11.01 05:49:00 - [82]

 

Originally by: Plutoinum

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Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/11/2006 04:44:05

Originally by: The Praetor

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BoB would get bored, declare victory, and leave.

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Haha, I admit that would have some style. I like it.
( Well, in case of BoB, for the Coalition no option, since it's about our home of course. )

/edit And generally about the current war for everyone, who's interested, I'd say we feel the pressure, but we are fine, thanks. War goes on. Guess, everyone feels fine: RA, Goon, LV, V, IMP ... nice war, everything fine for everyone.

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Yes sir. I was not trying to imply that RA/GS will ever evict the Coalition either. I was simply commenting that RA is a tough nut to crack, having briefly fought them myself (often unsuccesfully).

Posted - 2006.11.01 09:49:00 - [84]

 

Posted - 2006.11.01 10:08:00 - [86]

 

Edited by: Treebeard dk on 01/11/2006 10:11:00

Originally by: Fubear

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Edited by: Fubear on 01/11/2006 09:58:48

Originally by: Treebeard dk

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In a game where its encouraged to fight in fleets, you most certainly can. Its not only 100 vs 100 you get it, a fight with 50 vs 50 is unplayable due to lag as well, nodecrash or unplayable is the same to me, either way its not my fault, its not my gang members fault, not the enemy's fault and not the other 1000's of players playing, lets see, who's left to blaim?

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Bolded for emphasis. It is not your fault that you have to bring 100 people to fight RAGOON, and its not their fault they have to bring 100 people to fight you.

My problem is that in a 100v100 fight on a server that cannot handle it, you blame the Goons for intentionally crashing the node, which is pure bullcrap and we both know it.

I doubt the Goons deliberately lag anything out, they regularly engage in large numbers which will always cause lag. Sadly, people like to blame other people for their losses, and the finger regularly gets pointed at the Goons for what is basically CCP's fault.

My pet peeve in this game is seeing people labeled as cheaters and exploiters without any proof, and the Goons are regularly a victim of this because they are apparently not allowed to post to defend themselves.

I hate seeing people accused of using bookmark bombs, deliberately lagging/crashing nodes, ebaying, account sharing, macroing or any other exploit for personal gain. Particularly when they apply the accusation to the entire corp or alliance rather than the individuals who may have been involved.

I hate seeing people say "it's common knowledge Goonswarm intentionally creates lag when its convenient" when the only evidence is that once upon a time they killed a shuttle with bookmarks in the cargo bay. I hate people pasting chatlogs like we have with the Veritas guy up there, which could have been taken completely out of context. I hate seeing RA being accused of farming for Ebay because they are Russian, and I hate seeing ASCN accused of deliberately crashing nodes, again without any proof.

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you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to, in case you didnt know, if logging on 450 people in a system with the state the servers are currently in was a serious attempt to fight and not crash the node and the goon forum post stating that they can do it again to crash the nodes and keep their POS's from being taken by the coalition is not proof enough, then I dont know what more you need.

EDIT: just to add, yes it IS nessesary to bring this many people to fight, if you wanna take a serious hit at a hostile POS, you need some dreads and a lot of support so bringing 100 people in from each side aint many tbh and its only a damn shame its not playable as I find it only amasing that so many people have an interest and a dediation to wanna be in the same system all at the same time in a virtual world :)

Posted - 2006.11.01 23:10:00 - [88]

 

Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 01/11/2006 23:39:51

Originally by: Karoth Tyu

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Has anyone even tested if 'bookmark bombs' actually 'work' and lag?
Yes. Which is why bookmark bombs are used by everyone and their mom to stop empire gankers from scanning their cargo holds. Opening a can with 40+ bookmarks after a battle with 183 people local will lock your client for a significant period of time.

How long have you been playing this game, again?

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It isn't relevant how long he's been playing, because you don't know the first thing about ship scanners. You can put three hundred or more bookmarks in your cargo hold, and a scanner will still return the results almost instantly.

Try actually knowing what you're talking about before making a half-assed attempt at trolling someone

Posted - 2006.11.01 23:37:00 - [90]

 

Edited by: Snake Jankins on 02/11/2006 00:01:10

Originally by: Komolov

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Light Darkness > 85 IN HERE AND NOONE INTEREST IT THAT WE LOOSE POSES HERE
General Dynasty > 19 IN GANG IF YOU ARE NOT IN GANG PACK YOUR **** UP AND LEAVE ALLIANCE

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It seems the rest 50+ members were spies of different third parties judging by forum posts here.

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I wasn't online, probably sleeping or it happened before noon, so not my timezone, and I think it was the first attack on RYC, so there was no pre-warning that let me be online.
But since then I've been there and stayed up longer. We can adapt.
Maybe it doesn't help to field the numbers like goons, because for many of us it's usually sleeping time, for them probably before bedtime as I suppose they are mostly us-citizens, anyway, so far only small poses have fallen. The battlestar poses are fine.

Sometimes it maybe needs a beating to wake up and a kick in the butt (from the enemies and/or LD). I still think, we don't have to panic, if we just do the things that have to be done and take this seriously and see no reason, why we shouldn't.
Nothing is lost. We have all cards in our hands that are needed to defend RYC and other systems, the more experienced players know that. I trust in -V- enough that we do, what has to be done.

Look, I didn't flame RA or Goon with any word here. Even that has lost priority, because I take this thing seriously and want that we focus on the important stuff. Noone gives us a 'lolly', if we continue flaming, but don't do what's required against RA/Goon.
We can flame again, when the important things are done and everything is back to normal.

So I see your quote as propaganda. I know the message from LD myself and know to value it. It's some extreme form of constructive critizism. And we'll please him and us and everyone in V is happy again. Thanks.

/edit I can't help myself. Sometimes I find my own posts funny, when I read them, although the core message is meant serious. I enjoy drama and forum who***g too much.
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