| Author |
Topic |
DarknessInc
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2006.06.06 19:04:00 - [ 1]
i forgot where I read it, I heard that we might get the ability to train multiple skills at the same time, but with a handicap:
1 Skill Training: Normal Training time
2 Skills Training: Each Skill takes 2x longer to train
3 Skills Training: Each Skill takes 3x longer to train
I think this is a good example of how this would work.
2 Skills: When 1 finishes, the other returns to the normal amount of time needed to train.
3 Skills & More: Look above.
<.< this would be great for us who go on vacation |
Shoele Lialos
Gallente
MCB Inc.
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Posted - 2006.06.06 19:55:00 - [ 2]
It's in the "it's on the drawing board don't plan on it any time soon" section of patch notes.
There have been other threads discussing other implementations.
I'm more of a fan of having a 2 skill long queue.
So I can have a "long" skill in my backup spot on the queue and a "short" one up front actually doing the training.
Set a 2 hour skill to start and when it's done that Battleship V you've been wanting for so long runs the other 6 hours you're asleep until you can get up and start another "short" one to be backed up again by Battleship V.
Anyways, either way, it'll be a nice improvement, but don't hold your breath waiting for it. |
voidvim
Minmatar
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2006.06.07 01:06:00 - [ 3]
I think some form of skiil queue is a good idea it, it will be most useful to new players which is good for eve as a whole
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Roger Waters
Roids industries inc.
Dark Taboo |
Posted - 2006.06.07 03:09:00 - [ 4]
I think it's a bad, bad idea. So, you could just make a char, throw in some +3 and come back in a 1-1 1/2 year when it's úber?
I think it's part of the game to have to make atleast 10.000 skillchanges before you can start those really long ones.
And I believe that the ones who pay all that attention to their skill training by logging in several times aday should be awarded. Those who are not serious enough about grinding in eve should "level up" compered to that. |
Burno |
Posted - 2006.06.07 03:50:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Roger Waters
I think it's a bad, bad idea. So, you could just make a char, throw in some +3 and come back in a 1-1 1/2 year when it's úber?
I think it's part of the game to have to make atleast 10.000 skillchanges before you can start those really long ones.
And I believe that the ones who pay all that attention to their skill training by logging in several times aday should be awarded. Those who are not serious enough about grinding in eve should "level up" compered to that.
why not switch to a time based experience gain like every other game then to help those who can spend more time in game ???  this is one of the reasons I like eve, it is an MMO without the MMO obligation to play. I have a very weak spot for these games that makes me feel compelled to powergame, but in eve I can enjoy real life and hop on whenever I want. It really makes me feel in control, and I think a queue would be nice, sometimes you just can't get on for a skill switch - I don't see why people should be punished. Something would need to be done of course about the train while cancelled aspect. |
Sniper FC
Gallente
Black Omega Security
Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2006.06.07 07:58:00 - [ 6]
I remebr reading abou this too I think its more likly to be like Shoele Lialos said, 1 back up skill, so u cant make an uber char in a year year and half! its just to stop those dead hrs ur at work or asleep and can't get to a skill change.
logest time u would beable to leave it for is 2 lvl5 skills like 2 months or so.
I would have thought this backup thing would only work if the account is active (being payed for) |
Monica Foulkes
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2006.06.07 08:28:00 - [ 7]
The idea of backup skill is good. However I would prefer to see an 8h skill buffer that you can fill with as many short skills you want as long as the last skill added is started before the 8h are reached.
This will help new players a lot since most people don't have any long skills to set during the first few weeks. And yes, I did go up in the middle of the night just to swap skills during that time. Now however I wouldn't need a skill queue if it wasn't for the fact I can't connect to EVE from work (I know horrible thought but some of us actually have to work). |
Sniper FC
Gallente
Black Omega Security
Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2006.06.07 09:15:00 - [ 8]
i like the idea alot, I avoid doing new skills that take 4hrs ish just cause I dont really have time to do these things cept weekends. but the buffer would work better as 24hrs or even 48hrs, who knows they may even make a learning skill that increases this bufer just a rank 2 or 3 skill nothing heavy, with a basic time of 8hrs upto a total of 24 maybe more. as a low rank skill n00bs could train it up slowly as they build up sp and have longer skills to run, and older players would have to train it to a higher lvl if they wanted! as its not a major skill in term of game play it would be a low rank with primary intel, secondary Perc
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Auren I'del
Minmatar
Freelancer Alliance |
Posted - 2006.06.07 10:36:00 - [ 9]
I think that skills takes long enough time as it is. If I can train 2 skills where one of them take twice as much time I would never use it.
What I wish is that when your done with a lvl it continues to the next. I dont need it, but it would be nice to have. After playing for awhile I actually have no need for any queing of skills. Most of the skills I need take 20 days or more, and I have no idea how long vacation you guys have but for me thats more than enough :) |
Jin Steele
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Atrum Tempestas Foedus |
Posted - 2006.06.07 10:37:00 - [ 10]
I like the idea that someone had before, where both skills would train simultaneously. You would put 2 points out of every 3 sp into the primary skill, and 1 of 3 into the secondary. |
4 LOM
Serenus Legion |
Posted - 2006.06.07 10:49:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Monica Foulkes
The idea of backup skill is good. However I would prefer to see an 8h skill buffer that you can fill with as many short skills you want as long as the last skill added is started before the 8h are reached.
This will help new players a lot since most people don't have any long skills to set during the first few weeks. And yes, I did go up in the middle of the night just to swap skills during that time. Now however I wouldn't need a skill queue if it wasn't for the fact I can't connect to EVE from work (I know horrible thought but some of us actually have to work).
8h skill buffer is brilliant.... omg its far to brilliant to actually come out of these forums. Ok clearly i like that idea, i was against a skill queen untill i started training an alt... had some skill right to level 5. loged on one night to set a new skill i had no skills about level 1/2 that were not allready at level 5. tthe sheer amount of time i was about to waste sleeping then 12h of work (i am not logging on to eve before my 12h shift i need bloody sleep). an 8h skill buffer would have meant i could most likly train 1 skill up from level 1 or 2 to level 4 because level 2/3 would finish in that time and level 4 would start. Anyways thats the best solution i have seen, 1x skill queen is to short/to long in some cases... and dual training is silly. 8h buffer is perfect. |
HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2006.06.07 11:00:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Monica Foulkes
The idea of backup skill is good. However I would prefer to see an 8h skill buffer that you can fill with as many short skills you want as long as the last skill added is started before the 8h are reached.
This will help new players a lot since most people don't have any long skills to set during the first few weeks. And yes, I did go up in the middle of the night just to swap skills during that time. Now however I wouldn't need a skill queue if it wasn't for the fact I can't connect to EVE from work (I know horrible thought but some of us actually have to work).
i like it a lot, would probably put it up to 12h though (maybe even 18h) |
Raider Zero
Minmatar
Tormentum Insomniae
Raiden. |
Posted - 2006.06.07 14:34:00 - [ 13]
/signed
In my version, you can have one "backup" skill selected to train if your current skill stops training within the next 12-18 hours. This prevents all the expoloits afaik. The worst that somebody could take advantage of this would be to set a 11:59 skill to train and know that they will auto switch. If they cancel the account, they get the 'free' half day of training when they come back-big deal. This wouldn't help the vactioners, although many of us who have been around have skills that take longer than vacations (I trained cruiser 5 while I was gone for 11 days and it's still only 45%). Problem is that anything that does help vacationers would add a week of exploit to the system. |
Matrim Acoma |
Posted - 2006.06.08 01:55:00 - [ 14]
I think it would be sufficient to just allow a skill to automatically start training to the next level. So, if I'm training Engineering to IV, it finishes, it just starts going towards level V. Once it hits level V, it acts just like the current behavior and skill training stops.
- Matrim
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Talori'i
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.06.08 03:05:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Talori''i on 08/06/2006 03:06:58 Originally by: Matrim Acoma
I think it would be sufficient to just allow a skill to automatically start training to the next level. So, if I'm training Engineering to IV, it finishes, it just starts going towards level V. Once it hits level V, it acts just like the current behavior and skill training stops.
- Matrim
See that still has the problem of being sort of exploitive. Players currently can stop paying and still get skill training. In the most abusive use of this using your system would be, training Titan 1 to Titan 5 while being gone for 6 months and not paying. I like the idea with the limit on the amount of time you can queue up. Like having one skill in back up that at most can take 12-18 hours(maybe 24). It would not be overpowered and would be quite helpful for the "lost training time". I lost 3 hours this morning would have liked to have some skill get the time for that. |
Mohrg
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:52:00 - [ 16]
I like the idea of a backup skill, after having 3 months of pc trouble and having to go to a friends house to change skills, i lost out on loads of training through no fault of my own, this also stopped me training short skills, (i now have lots of high level skills but no basic ones!!!), even though the trouble is now over i think a skill que would be marvellous. |
Shandling
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:56:00 - [ 17]
Queuing up 2-3 skills is nice... I hate it when the most efficient skill training order forces me to wake up at 3:45 AM on a work morning to click the next skill. :P |
Lojik
Enlightened Industries
SpaceMonkey's Alliance |
Posted - 2006.06.08 12:17:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Lojik on 08/06/2006 12:17:43 Originally by: Monica Foulkes
The idea of backup skill is good. However I would prefer to see an 8h skill buffer that you can fill with as many short skills you want as long as the last skill added is started before the 8h are reached.
This will help new players a lot since most people don't have any long skills to set during the first few weeks. And yes, I did go up in the middle of the night just to swap skills during that time. Now however I wouldn't need a skill queue if it wasn't for the fact I can't connect to EVE from work (I know horrible thought but some of us actually have to work).
/signed although i'd prefer a 12hr skill buffer as i sleep alot  |
Amarria Lightwielder
Amarr
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:17:00 - [ 19]
/signed
Would like to see this in some form aswell :) |
Ramjam Giles
the united |
Posted - 2006.06.08 20:21:00 - [ 20]
/sign.
But only for skill queuing. Maybe let the system allow you to queue up the next 2 or 3 skill changes. |
Auron Shadowbane
Pelennor Swarm
G00DFELLAS |
Posted - 2006.06.10 12:02:00 - [ 21]
I'd like to have a chain of "chaining" skill lvl*2 skills.
But remove training while account is not beeing payd for. |
Peter UK |
Posted - 2006.06.28 01:08:00 - [ 22]
i like the idea of a 2 skill queue or another idea i just thought of would be:
if you over run your training then you get a skill point bank of up to a couple of hours so if you just cant be online at the time to change skills then you log in 2 hours later and change then...... and it backdates the training to when your last skill stopped. |
Tizi
Yet Again |
Posted - 2006.06.28 15:26:00 - [ 23]
I love the backup skill idea. But that is as much of a change as I think is good for the game.
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Rhamnousia
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings |
Posted - 2006.06.29 05:06:00 - [ 24]
/signed
for the 8hours buffer, make it 12hours though.... |
Peter Johannesen
Caldari
KOB4EG
Red Alliance |
Posted - 2006.06.29 07:21:00 - [ 25]
lol the buffer size seems to get bigger and bigger.. in a weeks time it will be like -> HEY lets make the buffer to 6 months due too vacation!  8hour buffer awesome idea  /signed |
Hakira |
Posted - 2006.06.29 15:35:00 - [ 26]
I love the idea of a skill buffer.
However, I dont like the idea that the skill training stops then the account isnt active because I have had a month that I just didnt have the money for the game I still wanted to play it but just didnt have the resources. Luckly, I had a long skill in training that still wasnt finished when I reactivated. I would have loved to have a queue that would have 1 or 2 more skills in it so if I didnt get the cost of the game next month I wouldnt have to worry about losing out. so it would benifit the people that are on a extreamly restrictive budget or that have school and other responsablitys. also I have had times that I just didnt want or couldnt to play eve. |
Omlyn |
Posted - 2006.06.29 15:49:00 - [ 27]
Does the grocery store still give you food when you have no money? Why should your char still be learning when account is not paid for. If thats the feature that is blocking skill buffers/queing etc, then it needs to be ditched asap. |
Alain Josviar
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2006.06.29 16:54:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Roger Waters
I think it's a bad, bad idea. So, you could just make a char, throw in some +3 and come back in a 1-1 1/2 year when it's úber?
You forget that EVE is more about what you do in game than how many SPs you have on your character sheet. Just because you can fly a BS SP wise does not mean that you have the experience or tactical knowledge to really fly a BS; or the isk to replace one if you lose it. Truthfully, I think people would utilize que'd skill training for the levels 1 to 4 or at the tail end of a long cycle skill. Most people play a few days out of the week and that's the time scale I see it being applied to; not the yearly or monthly time scale you used. |
Wizard
Servant's of order
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:01:00 - [ 29]
I never bother too much with making sure i got a skill training now. If i miss it by a couple of hours or somthing im not really bothered now. Probably lost about 3-4 weeks of training in 3 years ive played |
Anarane |
Posted - 2006.08.29 20:01:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: Anarane on 29/08/2006 20:02:02
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