Posted - 2006.06.01 20:18:00 - [92]

 

Originally by: Forsch

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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My explosive barrage ammo (aka "best ammo ever") sucks vs T2 Amarr, your EM crystals suck vs T2 Minmatar. I need to switch to thermal ammo, so do you.

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That's just as wrong. Projectiles should be the best against Amarr ships. At least you can switch to phased plasma.

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Why... the game was built while the empires were at peace. They need to be balanced between the 4 races not 2 on 2.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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with a 2 second reload time you can strip shields with one, change ammo, and **** armour with the explosive crystals.

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Like stripping shields with barrage would take long..
Most armor tanks have pitiful shields.

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yeah... ever tried shooting Quake or Tremmor? Maybe in 1 on 1 reloads aren't important... but when was the last time you had a streak of 1 on 1s on TQ?

Posted - 2006.06.02 04:41:00 - [94]

 

Originally by: Aemilus Brutus

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Am I the only one that thinks Minnies having one base resist so massively high is not right, I don't see any other factions' ships with one massive base resist that makes them nearly invincible to another side. Why should Amarr get shafted? And the Amarr setups I saw never had a 92% base explosive resist, high yes, but not that high, plus Minnies can do other damage types, Amarr don't have that option. So make Minnies like the Caldari and Gallente with damage types that do ok against each other and not a massive resistance.

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Well I think it's because CCP added +75% on the main damage resist of the enemy race and 50% on the secondary damage..

Minmatar really lucked out on this because obviously Amarr ships do EM damage with lasers so:

0 EM Shield + 75% built in = 75% base shield.
70% EM Armor + 75% built in = 92.5% base armor.

Since the resist of Minmatar armor against EM was already rather good, the addition of the racial bonus makes it insane..

Other races didn't quite make out as well, for example, while a Caldari ship got a +60% thermal resist boost (the effect of one 75% hardener), Minmatar got 0 to 75% EM resist, which is obviously a huge boost due to the fact that shields have no EM resist what so ever therefore unlike the resists of other races.. no "stacking" penalty. Of course this is kinda moot since Gallente ships mostly do kinetic damage.. and Amarr get pretty screwed too since Minmatar ships probably use EMP Ammo most of the time, yet get boosted explosive/kinetic resists.

Honestly though in the "racial resist" department Minmatar and Amarr are the winners, overall.. Gallente still have a pretty big explosive resist hole, and Caldari are the biggest losers with 0% EM, the other races seem to have overall very good resists which are very easy to plug, comparetively speaking.

Posted - 2006.06.02 07:02:00 - [96]

 

Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Honestly though in the "racial resist" department Minmatar and Amarr are the winners, overall.. Gallente still have a pretty big explosive resist hole, and Caldari are the biggest losers with 0% EM, the other races seem to have overall very good resists which are very easy to plug, comparetively speaking.

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Our racial resist does squat against our racial enemy, i don't see how thats so great.

Having explosive as a hole isn't so bad because it is the least common damage type.

Posted - 2006.06.02 08:07:00 - [98]

 

Originally by: Dark Shikari

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EM damage has been made worthless by one single change: the Energized Adaptive Nano boost.

Now that everyone uses EAN2s, EM is always their strongest resist.

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well it depends..
it might be the case if you fit only 2 hardeners.
If you fit several EANM, every next one of them will give diminishing effect.
If you fit 4 hardeners then you will get way more resists across the board if you fit 1 EANM, and 1 of each active hardeners except for the EM one. This would mean that only two resiscance mods will stack. If you fit 3 or 4 EANM that would mean that 3 or 4 of them will stack which is absolutely pointless as 3rd and 4th's effects are negligable.
Can't provide numbers but maybe I will this evening.

Posted - 2006.06.02 08:25:00 - [100]

 

its not like minnies are very happy with their high em armour resist, i guarantue you most would change it for 3 high resists and 1 hole instead of 1 high 1 insane and 2 holes

Posted - 2006.06.02 13:50:00 - [102]

 

Originally by: Meridius

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Our racial resist does squat against our racial enemy, i don't see how thats so great.

Having explosive as a hole isn't so bad because it is the least common damage type.

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T2 Amarr ships armor resist is very very good though, the biggest hole is thermal, which is 35%. Using one energized adaptive nano membrane II + a thermal hardner II you get some pretty good results..

T2 Projectile Ammo is very high in explosive/kinetic damage so the Amarr racial resists do help against that. I'd much rather have my lowest resist be 35% than say.. 10 or 0% as the Caldari/Gallente t2 ships have to compensate for.

Originally by: Godar Marak

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We all know Amarr is supposed to tank, but isnt Minmatars supposed to be the exact oposite? High damage and not so good tank.

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Eh.. Amarr can do do very high DPS + Tank as well..

Posted - 2006.06.02 15:06:00 - [104]

 

Originally by: Godar Marak

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Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Eh.. Amarr can do do very high DPS + Tank as well..

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Ehhh, what ship are you talking about now

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zealot can do high dps and tank very well.

Posted - 2006.06.02 15:22:00 - [106]

 

Originally by: Godar Marak

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Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Eh.. Amarr can do do very high DPS + Tank as well..

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Ehhh, what ship are you talking about now

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grodar... you are embarassment to you race. and that is coming from matari.

go back to you cave.

Posted - 2006.06.02 15:40:00 - [108]

 

Originally by: Godar Marak

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As I predicted

Do I really have to explain to you that the Zealot(a t2 ship) is NOT like your average Amarr ship

Evolution doesnt work after all

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We where talking t2 resist at the moment didn't we? How the different racial t2 resits compared to racial damages etc. Zelot is a very good example there.

Posted - 2006.06.02 21:49:00 - [110]

 

Originally by: Kitty O'Shay

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The most glaring examples are Gamma (14/8) vs. Plutonium(12/10), Ultraviolet (12/6) vs. Thorium (10/8), and Radio (10/0) vs. Iron (6/4). These crystals are too EM heavy when compared to the kinetic damage of hybrid ammo.

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Just an update. I've bug reported these crystals because of them being too EM heavy in comparison. Maybe a small start is getting these crystals fixed?