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Veloran |
Posted - 2006.03.15 02:25:00 - [ 1]
I can't believe how completely pathetic missions have become with RMR. I left right after RMR, came back in, and have just completed two missions. Before I was getting lvl 3 missions out of the Amarr Navy in Hisoufad that gave 1800, 2400, 2500, 2700 LP and easily cleared 1-2M isk per mission. They were very doable by a battleship or a battleship and support ship.
Now, I've gotten two missions that are much harder but give infinitely less in the way of reward. Like 345-500 LP and a idiotically small sum of 100-200K. My agent standing is 9.7 and Navy is 8.93. My question is, what's the point?
Not once since 2003 have a I had a complaint against changes to missions until now. If your objective is to bore your clients to death then well done. If you intend to draw everyone into every other area of functionality because it's more profitable, well done.
I was going to close my single WoW account to return to my three EVE accounts but I'm reconsidering at this point. Mining can only carry a guy so far, trade has NEVER been worth while, and now you've made a complete laughing stock of missions. Since I don't have the 50B necessary to go setup my own outpost and haven't been in a decent sizeable guild since the collapse of Xetic, there isn't much left to fill the gap. What did you do, give TomB charge of missions now?
WoW - Subscribership in the MILLIONS
Eve - I'm honestly glad you have 24K online now - for so long I was afraid the game wouldn't survive after go live, but what on earth are you THINKING? |
Sarai Atvar
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.03.15 02:39:00 - [ 2]
Two missions are hardly enough basis to form an argument. |
Hangman69
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2006.03.15 03:41:00 - [ 3]
Do lvl4s, payout and lp are much better. Stop whoring lvl3s in bs's. CCP's formula takes into account how fast the mission gets finished. You just helped drive down the rewards for newer players. |
Shayote |
Posted - 2006.03.15 04:04:00 - [ 4]
move to a low sec agent, rewards are much better there, same goes for the LP. They are moving people away from High-sec agent whoring for a reason, its too easy. Lower sec is just as good and the rewards and LP are MUCH better! PS: Trading can net you 50-200M per run with frieghters Mining can net between 5M(common)-70M(rare) per hour as well. There is plenty of good ways to make isk, find one you like and do it.  |
9854365 |
Posted - 2006.03.15 04:54:00 - [ 5]
Can I have your stuff??  |
Consrul |
Posted - 2006.03.15 05:09:00 - [ 6]
haha ...you said WoW.... |
Lorette
Gallente
Grandma's WIth Guns |
Posted - 2006.03.15 11:06:00 - [ 7]
I have no problem making about 5-10 mill an hour on lv3 missions. Im in a battlecruiser aswell so you 'should' be faster. |
Roche Pso
Gallente
Deltole Research Labs
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Posted - 2006.03.15 12:40:00 - [ 8]
 Originally by: Veloran
... They were very doable by a battleship or a battleship and support ship.
Now, I've gotten two missions that are much harder ...
If you are finding them much harder, using BS+support then you must be a very poor pilot. Most people do lvl3 in BCs and find some of them easy and the rest difficult but not impossible. |
Nicholai Pestot
Gallente
Scorpanti Corporation
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:57:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Roche Pso
Originally by: Veloran
... They were very doable by a battleship or a battleship and support ship.
Now, I've gotten two missions that are much harder ...
If you are finding them much harder, using BS+support then you must be a very poor pilot. Most people do lvl3 in BCs and find some of them easy and the rest difficult but not impossible.
Or, like myself, in a vexor (drones ftw) To the OP, move into lowsec and use a smaller ship. You get better rewards, better LP and because your in a smaller ship you can wizz around the deadzones much faster, increasing your proft per hr. You should then notice a significant boost to your income. |
Schinoble
No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:02:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot
Originally by: Roche Pso
Originally by: Veloran
... They were very doable by a battleship or a battleship and support ship.
Now, I've gotten two missions that are much harder ...
If you are finding them much harder, using BS+support then you must be a very poor pilot. Most people do lvl3 in BCs and find some of them easy and the rest difficult but not impossible.
Or, like myself, in a vexor (drones ftw)
To the OP, move into lowsec and use a smaller ship. You get better rewards, better LP and because your in a smaller ship you can wizz around the deadzones much faster, increasing your proft per hr.
You should then notice a significant boost to your income.
How do you have your vexor setup ? I have a Brutix and Vexor, as much as i love my brutix i much prefer the vexor, how have you got yours set up to do level 3 missions.. sorry for hijacking your thread.. |
Wei duGuifierre
Gallente
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion |
Posted - 2006.03.15 16:51:00 - [ 11]
Honestly, there's no need to start the arm-waving and WoW-comparisons when you're making judgement calls after just two missions worth of post-RMR experience.
Everyone else in here has said what needs to be said. Go to low-sec, start level 4 missions with your battleship + support. If you're looking a challenge along with great isk potential, there's your ticket. |
Cade Morrigan
Caldari |
Posted - 2006.03.15 16:55:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Lorette
I have no problem making about 5-10 mill an hour on lv3 missions. Im in a battlecruiser aswell so you 'should' be faster.
Good lord, i need to move to Gallente space where the NPCs are pussies I guess.  |
Aqua II |
Posted - 2006.03.15 17:16:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Veloran
Now, I've gotten two missions that are much harder but give infinitely less in the way of reward. Like 345-500 LP and a idiotically small sum of 100-200K. My agent standing is 9.7 and Navy is 8.93. My question is, what's the point?
I'm not sure about the 'harder' missions if you have decent skills, I recently did ****loads of missions in a HAC. Didn't have a problem whatsoever. Would actually argue that they are very easy. The thing about rewards may be true, if you don't like it, go to 0.0 to shoot NPC rats or something? Much more rewarding. Quote:
Mining can only carry a guy so far
??? It's *still* the fastest & easiest way to make money in the game, bar none (except maybe suiciding on haulers with t2 BPO's in empire). OK, it's also boring (as are missions in my opinion, but I digress). Quote:
trade has NEVER been worth while
??? Unless you have no clue what you are doing, it's easy to make enough isk to fund a casual PvP habit by trading. Of course, if it would be easy to make ****loads of isk by doing simple mindless trading, everyone would be doing it, eh? Unlike WoW, Eve mostly does not follow the 'time sink == reward' model. If you know what you are doing, you can become very rich by trading. I know several people who do so on a daily basis (no, they are not even t2 BPO owners). Quote:
haven't been in a decent sizeable guild since the collapse of Xetic, there isn't much left to fill the gap.
Last time I checked, there are still plenty of alliances around since the fall of Xetic. You could join one of them? Or if you don't like alliances, become a pirate? Become really good at PvP and join a mercenary corp? Quote:
what on earth are you THINKING?
I agree with you, missions suck. Some ppl apparently don't agree. To each his/her own, I guess. Plenty of choice in Eve. |
Nicholai Pestot
Gallente
Scorpanti Corporation
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Posted - 2006.03.15 17:20:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 15/03/2006 17:22:17 Originally by: Schinoble
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot
Originally by: Roche Pso
Originally by: Veloran
... They were very doable by a battleship or a battleship and support ship.
Now, I've gotten two missions that are much harder ...
If you are finding them much harder, using BS+support then you must be a very poor pilot. Most people do lvl3 in BCs and find some of them easy and the rest difficult but not impossible.
Or, like myself, in a vexor (drones ftw)
To the OP, move into lowsec and use a smaller ship. You get better rewards, better LP and because your in a smaller ship you can wizz around the deadzones much faster, increasing your proft per hr.
You should then notice a significant boost to your income.
How do you have your vexor setup ?
I have a Brutix and Vexor, as much as i love my brutix i much prefer the vexor, how have you got yours set up to do level 3 missions.. sorry for hijacking your thread..
Well ive just started doing them to make getting my sec status back up a bit more fun...as such im limited in what i can get to to purchase so i just threw on what tech I equipment i could find locally...nice cheep setup.... 3 125mm rails, 2 med nos AB,webber,cap-recharger Med repper, 800mm plate, 2 active hardners Vary your drones and hardners to match the NPC's your facing (if possible). This can normally overwhelm the 'greating party' for any lvl 3. After that just go around engaging one group at a time. Once your at your drones max engagement range (45km for me) 'pull' the group with some pointless railshots and once you have aggro let your drones do their thing un-molested. If you think your going to have to run your repper constantly to maintain tank, charge in with your drones and nos 'em. Including insurance and equipment the whole kit barely touches 6 million (and thats with crappy lowsec prices) |
HDCamper Itsim |
Posted - 2006.03.16 19:41:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: HDCamper Itsim on 16/03/2006 19:43:01
Edited by: HDCamper Itsim on 16/03/2006 19:42:24
I didn't start EVE wanting to PVP and won't finish EVE primarily wanting to PVP. I joined for PVE and soloable stuff. Empire (safe space) missions rewards and bonus's could be bumped up considerably. LVL 4's should be entirely soloable (would be great) - somewhere there was a dev link that stated something like that. Let them create lvl 5's or better complex's for group participation crap. Thought about doing a lvl 4 a night or 2 ago and reminded my Minmatar self that "RISK far outweighs the rewards!" "9854365" /dev/null will get my stuff when i decide to go so troll someone else asking. For those who get no lag or no client disconnects at somewhat critical times - congrats - for those that think you should turn off the effects and stuff while fighting - well thats fine for you - but the eye/ear candy is part of the game I was looking for. GL with whatever you do.
Keep working on the loot tables, and small ships do way to much damage to larger ships......
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Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow |
Posted - 2006.03.17 11:44:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot
3 125mm rails, 2 med nos
AB,webber,cap-recharger
Med repper, 800mm plate, 2 active hardners
Vary your drones and hardners to match the NPC's your facing (if possible).
This can normally overwhelm the 'greating party' for any lvl 3. After that just go around engaging one group at a time. Once your at your drones max engagement range (45km for me) 'pull' the group with some pointless railshots and once you have aggro let your drones do their thing un-molested.
If you think your going to have to run your repper constantly to maintain tank, charge in with your drones and nos 'em.
Including insurance and equipment the whole kit barely touches 6 million (and thats with crappy lowsec prices)
I'm going to have try this set-up with a Vexxor, because I am skeptical that it works. I imagine for a lot of level 3 missions its fine, but the sentry guns at the end of Black Market Hub do a formiddable amount of damage and the firepower at the start of Portal to War 2 is also very considerable. Well I respect the amount of damage drones can chuck out, I don't see how they can do that much to reduce the damage you take from NPCs quick enough. |
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.03.17 13:43:00 - [ 17]
Quote:
If you intend to draw everyone into every other area of functionality because it's more profitable, well done.
/me whistles Replace "everyone" with "part of the mission running playerbase" and you've got it spot on. Mission rewards were screwing up the game economy, that's it. Now they don't, and there's more challenge. What else do you want ? |
Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:33:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 17/03/2006 15:34:23
Well, there comes a time where every hisoufad mission runner has to migrate. I strongly reccomend you move to gyerzen and start on the easier lvl4's. I suggest sanshas to begin with, due to the easy tanking, but many of the locals will be happy to help show you the ropes on lvl4's.
Anyhow lvl4 bounties are nefed anyway, for example, the boss of vengence mission is 2.5mil. Pre RMR the boss of vengence was 5mil, and IIRC, he used to be 10mil before then.
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2006.03.17 18:25:00 - [ 19]
Personally I have loved the missions so far since last patch. Pre RMR I was always getting the same missions very boaring. Since RMR I think I may have only had the same mission a couple times. Now I'm talking about lvl 4's. 3's are to easy and not much fun. As for lvl 4's be soloable they are.. thats what I do. You just have to know what ones to except. I probably can solo all or most lvl 4 if I have the time and take it slow. But ones like Angel extravaganza I just say no to because i don't have the time and thier are planety of other missions out thier. Sure the rewards might be less but as a mission runner I'm not in it to make isk, I'm in it for the fun. If you want isk by all means do something else besides missions. Right now I think implants are way underprices because of all the missions runners out there. So please stop running missions and getting implants. I want to sell mine for more isk  . |
Veloran |
Posted - 2006.03.25 17:13:00 - [ 20]
Thanks all for the advice. I hadn't tried to solo 4's yet because everyone was telling me not to solo them. I'll try Aphend and see how it goes.
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