Posted - 2006.03.13 23:15:00 - [31]

 

Originally by: MrTripps

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Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!!

On second thought, screw 'em. Children are our future. The present belongs to me.

Ok. No more Simpson's quotes for me. Today.

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Are you related to Captain Tripps?

Posted - 2006.03.13 23:35:00 - [33]

 

Originally by: wierchas noobhunter

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Quote:

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Be obscene, vulgar, sexually explicit, offensive, hurtful, harmful, promote drugs, profane, anti-gay, and ethnically, racially or sexually offensive or impart any real-world hostility toward a specific nationality, race or religion.

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What about gratuitous medical references?

Posted - 2006.03.14 00:22:00 - [35]

 

Originally by: framolia

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Hello

As a father of 4, I play eve with the possibility of my young children seeing me play and looking at things in-game.

I have recently seen a few really obcene usernames in the area surrounding Suroken and my 7 year old son who is really good at reading picked up some foul language fron a user name.

Are there actually people out there looking for this sort of thing as i believe some names are beyond a joke.

I know my son is too young really for Eve, but I really appreciate someone actually preventing such names being used.

Please don't flame me, I am just a concerned parent.

Thanks

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if your kid ever hangs around with other children, chances are he already knew whichever word it was, and was testing you to see how rude it was.

Posted - 2006.03.14 01:06:00 - [37]

 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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Originally by: Rells

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The rating is no reason for people to act like pubescent idiots.

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Unless, of course, they are pubescent idiots.

When I set up my corp, I was offered the corp ticker FUKA. Naturally, I took it. Sometimes wish my toon was called Mutha.

I'm 39

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OMFG

Posted - 2006.03.14 11:11:00 - [39]

 

Originally by: Usul Faust

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Originally by: framolia

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Hello

As a father of 4, I play eve with the possibility of my young children seeing me play and looking at things in-game.

I have recently seen a few really obcene usernames in the area surrounding Suroken and my 7 year old son who is really good at reading picked up some foul language fron a user name.

Are there actually people out there looking for this sort of thing as i believe some names are beyond a joke.

I know my son is too young really for Eve, but I really appreciate someone actually preventing such names being used.

Please don't flame me, I am just a concerned parent.

Thanks

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if your kid ever hangs around with other children, chances are he already knew whichever word it was, and was testing you to see how rude it was.

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signed, I learned my first bad words from my sisters and my friends

Posted - 2006.03.14 11:33:00 - [41]

 

Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Usul Faust

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Originally by: framolia

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Hello

As a father of 4, I play eve with the possibility of my young children seeing me play and looking at things in-game.

I have recently seen a few really obcene usernames in the area surrounding Suroken and my 7 year old son who is really good at reading picked up some foul language fron a user name.

Are there actually people out there looking for this sort of thing as i believe some names are beyond a joke.

I know my son is too young really for Eve, but I really appreciate someone actually preventing such names being used.

Please don't flame me, I am just a concerned parent.

Thanks

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if your kid ever hangs around with other children, chances are he already knew whichever word it was, and was testing you to see how rude it was.

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signed, I learned my first bad words from my sisters and my friends

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That IS what friends are all aboot!

Posted - 2006.03.14 11:51:00 - [43]

 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau

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The kid picks up the bad language from the playground, just like I did.

Besides, wth are you doing allowing your 7 year old son to watch a game rated at double his age?
Would you let your kid watch 24 or CSI?

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The blue lagoon is 12 year old rated too. I wonder if he let his child watch Broke Shields Boobs and pubic hair . Good old memories anyway

Posted - 2006.03.14 12:15:00 - [45]

 

Originally by: Mechina

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Yes, I know it's a rant. It's a valid one. :P

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Agreed. There was no shortage of sex, foul language and violence on TV or other media when I grew up in the 70's and 80's, and I still grew up okay (well, sorta... ). Society has gotten way, way too hypernervous about this sort of stuff. If anything, like with trying to "protect" children from any form of viruses and bacteria, it seriously hinders the buildup of their immune system... In this case, the mental one.

Posted - 2006.03.14 12:38:00 - [47]

 

I think most of you are missing something about the concept of parenting here.

It's not about "protecting" a 7 year old from rude words, it's about consistency of rule enforcement. If I have rules with my children about the words they can and can't use then I want my kids to know that I will enforce those rules and that their mother will enforce those rules with the exact same firmness and boundaries I do.

That's why kids use profanity infront of their parents - to test the boundaries.

Now, if my kids then see that the same rules are NOT enforced in a part of the world outside my house, even when those same rules are explicity stated then it makes it a difficult task to explain the nature of rule systems in general.

I would never expect *my* rules to be enforced by anyone else, that'd be ludicrous, besides, I'm pretty relaxed (no sexism, no racism, no homophobia, only use swear words if a situation warrents it). However I do expect rules set by other people to be enforced by those people. I'm not a prude or a control freak, but I will petition obscene, racist or homophobic names.

Posted - 2006.03.14 12:47:00 - [49]

 

Originally by: Izo Azlion

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I just dont think society should be "bubble wrapping," as it was put before. If you lived a youth in a bubble, and then moved to a city and got mugged, it'd be a huge shock. Ease them in gently, and teach them the world, dont leave the world to teach them.

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Firstly, should Eve really be a mechanism for teaching that? It's a game, not an educational tool.

Secondly, everyone's focusing on the OP's theme of "protect the children". What about the adults? Sure, it's not like we've never heard those words before, it's not going to psycologically scar us or anything like that. But it's still not pleasant, and not something I particularly like seeing in the game.

The trouble is that there is a fine balance to be struck here. Although you may not like rudeness, it is unreasonable to expect you will never see any in game. At the same time, it is reasonable to expect others to be responsible enough to control their behaviour to maintain some standard of politeness and behaviour.

Context has a lot to do with this, which is why it's so hard to set down hard and fast rules that everyone agrees on. The odd swear-word in chat, as a genuine reaction, I don't object to. On the other hand, if every other word someone types is a swear word, then that's them being deliberately irresponsible with their language. Similarly irresponsible is some of the "smacktalk" that deliberately sets out to offend through the langauge used. These situations are very different, and should be treated as such.

Something offensive in a character name should be looked at as different from the word slipped out in chat. A character's name is the very identity of the player in the game world. It is on constant display, and the players know this. Putting a swear word in your character name is equivalent to shouting that swear word into every channel you enter, and convoing it to every player who sees you. This means that people should be expected to exersise a significant degree of responsibility when naming their chars - more than might be expected in a general chat, for example.

Censorship is often viewed as being always something bad, impinging upon free speech. The trouble is that while everyone is keen on exersising their right of free speech, they often ignore the responsibility that comes with it - the responsibility to consider the effect your words have on others. Yes, censorship can go too far and become something nasty. But where it simply acts to enforce the responsibilities we all should be bearing anyway, then it is a necessity. Exersising rights without taking on the responsibilities devalues those rights, and will inevitably end up impinging upon the rights of others.

Posted - 2006.03.14 13:06:00 - [51]

 

Edited by: Yuzier OA on 14/03/2006 13:08:54

Originally by: framolia

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I think i just found something saying you got to be 13

But honestly i still find the use of obcene language as a charecter name as disturbing even at my age

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Its a game, nobuddy forces you to log in. That being said, yes sometimes language can be harsh, but its only words and you will not die by them

This only reflects the real world, some swear alot others dont.....aslong you dont throw racist/political slurs around I couldnt care less.

If you really find something offensive, petition it.

BTW Selfcensorship or censorship in general is the fastest way to hell for any civilization...But learning good manners starts at home

Posted - 2006.03.14 14:13:00 - [53]

 

Originally by: Niiro Hanzo

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You started so good and ended so badly. How the hell does it break the rules if someone ELSE names their character offensively? It's not your fault is it? Is it your kids fault if another kid, while playing near your child, shouts something foul? Is it?
Thought not.
That said, names that are against CCPs rules have it coming.

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You misunderstood. My only issue is if CCP's rules aren't enforced. EVE has strict rules about character naming. These must be enforced. I want my children to learn about the nature of rules systems both at home and in society - if CCP don't enforce their naming system then that would be a problem for me.

Luckily it seems they do enforce the system but that, obviously, they cannot monitor all names and some names get through the filters.

I'm simply explaining why I, and possibly many others, do bother to report names that break the policy

As for the seperate censorship issue people decrying it need to think a little bit harder. All societies have censorship, whether it's self-imposed or enforced from outside. You cannot have a totally censorship-free system - there always have to be some boundaries and limitations. Would you want EVE, or any other game, to contain images of a highly graphic or violent nature that could be disturbing to some people?

Would you want innapropriate images of children in sexual or violent situations? Would you want images of bestiality, coprophilia, necrophilia?

I have no problem with someone making a game or a film containing such things but content needs to be clearly labelled & classified so that you know what to expect when accessing it. If EVE had no restrictions on names whatsoever then it would probably have to carry an 18 certificate which would thus limit it's accessibility and the size and type of it's market.

Posted - 2006.03.14 20:47:00 - [55]

 

i agree with you torg, but its an opinion, and some people will just never see eye to eye with you on that.

Plus, every time i have this argument it ends with me spamming pictures of industrial genital bodymods or something.

Posted - 2006.03.14 20:58:00 - [57]

 

Originally by: Matthew

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Something doesn't have to be everywhere for people to understand it and learn about it. And it is not the job of a game like eve to teach people these things.

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its not 'teaching' people these things. People are teaching people these things.

massivley multiplayer, remember?

Posted - 2006.03.14 21:06:00 - [59]

 

no, torg argued that.

i said i wouldn't argue that becasue it always ends up with me posting pictures of people's genitals.