Posted - 2005.12.28 11:19:00 - [91]

 

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Once everyone had access to the data, it is the people who can best recognise pattens in the data which will allow profit who will MAKE that profit. You, Tommy the Luddite, are afraid that you will not be able to.

Simple as that.

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You completely missed the point actually.

I do not need this software to be competitive. I am already competitive because of the *time* I invest in researching market data for my own profit.

This software allows others the same information without investing their *time* as committed traders.

It therefore undermines my competitive edge.

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You missed my point. If your edge is based entirely on invested time, then yes you have an issue. I've scored major deals with very LITTLE time in the past simply because I can read market data patterns.

Very different skills...you're right to be worried, but it'll be a real boon for me.

Posted - 2005.12.29 05:02:00 - [93]

 

Edited by: Peter Armstrong on 29/12/2005 05:09:23

Originally by: Kaladr

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Edited by: Kaladr on 22/12/2005 08:19:41
Edited by: Kaladr on 21/12/2005 10:55:29
Well, here it is, a use for your market data files that RMR can generate:

New Updates! New Client Version!

EVE-Central.com

Its rough at the moment (and lacking in "wow" features), but it mostly works. There are two components at play here:

1. The Browser

Designed to somewhat work in the IGB, the Market Browser lets you view information on where items are for sale, at what prices, and possibly compare prices, ACROSS REGIONS. The data comes from user submitted market exports, which can be generated by the new RMR client on any single market item (see below). Historical and statistical information is coming.

2. The MarketUploader

A simple (and ugly, etc) piece of software which periodicaly checks the EVE program directory for market dumps every minute while running. These market dumps are then uploaded to EVE-Central.com to be included in the global market displays. This is how EVE-Central.com gets data, so we depend on people browsing the market to periodicaly update our prices! :)

Note that all of this is rough, and not yet finished. It will improve with time! Give it a whirl and see what you think! (Hint: upload market data ;))


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About the ads: Yes, there are ads for EVE online ISK selling houses. No, I didn't put them there, Google did. I'm in no way suggesting you buy from them. I've had them come and go, they're not always there. But feel free to give them an occasional click, costing them some money :) I'll be adding their URLs to the AdSense filter so you don't have to see them though.

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ok now just to ask one thing and not been *****y or anything. I like to know this was ok by CCP because i see it a 3rd party program and i checked rules.

4. ILLEGAL TRANSFER OF GAME ITEMS

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player is found to be:

a. Selling in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue.
b. Advertising the sale of EVE in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site by using the in-game chat channels, through our forums or by any other venue.

Just woundering why is there no option then not to have them removed?

7. MISCELLANEOUS

f. Transmits or uploads any copyrighted material for which the individual does not own all rights or have permission from the author or copyright holder or arranges to receive such material.

j. Advertises or promotes an online auction or auction site (such as eBay) on our forum or official communication channels, both in or out of game, or any other venue.

2. HACKING

c. Deciphering, hacking into or interfering with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers or web site (not sure about that)

EULA
CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game:
2.You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

sorry there 4 pages i cant be arsed to read though but if its cool with EULA and CCP then thats cool!!

Only thing is tho how can i trust this websit that wont send any other info? Sorry i have to ask etc and wouldnt like people get in crap or some thing. I dont know much of this but i like to be safe u know?

good idea tho
oh and for the rules i wasnt sure these could be effected but just making sure.

Posted - 2005.12.29 14:05:00 - [95]

 

Originally by: Peter Armstrong

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*bump* just waiting out on my Question sorry

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Wrong thread for your question. Try contacting CCP if you have questions about the EULA.

Posted - 2005.12.30 06:53:00 - [97]

 

And just as an update, we've reached 3,000 uploads of market data. Thank you to everyone who contributes!

Posted - 2006.01.01 12:07:00 - [99]

 

Edited by: Sakira LeCastantas on 01/01/2006 12:34:31
You could make it 'instal' itself in a folder, and generate a shortcut on the destktop to some sort of batchfile, so when you want to play eve (needs working on more accounts and several eve 'installs') the batchfile starts the marketprogram (if its not running) and after that the eve.exe file.

If this makes sense

edit: it's been at 0 uploads for hours now, and yes I configured my firewall

Posted - 2006.01.05 09:14:00 - [101]

 

More fun. Sortable columns! Sadly, the buy/sell can't be sorted indepdentley yet. If you really need this, let me know.

Expect a new uploader client by Friday, some more market analysis tools by the weekend, and a trade-route finder later in the week.

Posted - 2006.01.05 10:06:00 - [103]

 

well good idea trading will become much easier and the market prices will smooth out

Posted - 2006.01.05 12:13:00 - [105]

 

Originally by: Ayla Vanir

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I'm considering submitting a petition to ban Tommy TenKreds, who I believe is attempting to corner all markets through the use of anti-competitive practices, including but not limited to: data-suppression, lobbying of devs, misinformation and the spreading of both Rumours and Lies...

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hahah that was Hilarious, I was thinking about doing a responce to Tommy's 'e-mail to the dev's' post, but you summed it all up.

for him to think it's ok for personal use, to hord data extracted in such a way in a private spreadsheet for himself is hilarious. it totaly exposes him.

as for the third party software rule, I can't see how this info. infrenges on that any more than a web site that has a 'how to play EVE Online' guide on it.

as long as it doesn't touch the game mechanics, all it is doing is organizing information in an easy to read format.

Personaly I love it! Id rather refrence it, and be productive with my game time than ineffectively hop from region to region or bother my corpmates with price checks.

thanks for putting this together, and thanks for the humorus respons to tommy's silly e-mail note.

Wesgar -out.

Posted - 2006.01.05 17:15:00 - [107]

 

Originally by: Ayla Vanir

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*look up* Oh, Tommy's a good sort. Just a bit misguided about 'free market economy'. I think he thinks that means he should get things for free. ;)

More relevant to Kaladr's thread though...

I've not actually been able to use the browser in-game to view the site's data. Problem cropped up sometime after the downloader was updated, but the downloader appears to function for me - just can't view the data on the site. What happens is that it locks up my computer *hard*, and requires me to sometimes either hard reset the computer if I'm impatient or wait (literally) more than 5 minutes for Task Manager to appear so that I can kill the eve client that way. CPU is pegged at 10000%. So I've not been able to use the app myself lately.

2nd issue, less severe, is that out of game using Firefox, I don't seem to be able to limit searches to the 3 regions I'm interested in. In each case, despite showing the 3 regions as selected, my searches return the entire data set across all regions where data exists. Might be an L-User issue or perhaps a 1-d10T problem on my end, but maybe not.

3rd thing... Today's dev blog has updated EVE data exports from the redoubtable T20. Maybe some of this can help give some structured view into the items database on the site. Linkage

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I've noticed that IGB seems busted on some computers more than others. I'm working on a fix right now - thanks for the update! It might be related to the giant dropdown, or table size. The IGB is VERY sensitive.

And, yes, the latest data export has useable categories ;) I'll try adding it in.

If you're limiting to regions, make sure you bonk the limit to regions button first before going off searching. Note that you also need to accept the session cookie.

Posted - 2006.01.06 07:56:00 - [109]

 

Edited by: Ayla Vanir on 06/01/2006 07:59:07

Originally by: Kaladr

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<snip>
Note that you also need to accept the session cookie.

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Ok, that's a clue for my out of game browser related issue. The regions filter button shows "3" (I search across the 3 Caldari regions), but I've not been prompted or had any indication of getting a cookie. Probably my firefox ad-blocking plug-in doing it's job. I'll put your site in the exceptions list, and check it at some point. Thanks.

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Originally by: Kaladr

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<snip>
I strongly do not suggest viewing large entries (such as tritanium across all regions) right now. The IGB chokes <snip>

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Guess what I searched on from within the IGB? Yes, perhaps I'll give it go with some other items to see if it locks up on everything, or just some things. Thanks again.

Posted - 2006.01.08 12:33:00 - [111]

 

Note that I've provided the source code, under the GNU GPL license, as a seperate download. If you don't feel safe running this utility, feel free to take a look over the source, and run the source version yourself. I also welcome any patches and improvements.

Posted - 2006.01.11 02:59:00 - [113]

 

Now it can do regions! Yay!

Posted - 2006.01.11 04:47:00 - [115]

 

Originally by: Kaladr

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What is going to be a controversial feature, EVE-Central now has a trade route finder.

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Great work Kaladr, the trade route finder is really impressive.

A small wish list
* Possibility to select regions based on fraction. Choose Minmatar and you'll get Heimatar, Metropolis and Molden heath.
* Remove or filter out expired orders.
* Possibility to only view buy order, sell orders, or both.

Posted - 2006.01.11 09:14:00 - [117]

 

Edited by: Kaladr on 11/01/2006 09:28:23
Edited by: Kaladr on 11/01/2006 09:15:42

Originally by: Solan

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I just went to the website and chose the Low-Grade Slave Alpha Implant. I did not select a single region because I wanted to view all of them. When I clicked search it gave me back zero results. I then went in and chose a few of the heavily populated empire regions and searched. Again it gave me back zero results. Finally, thinking that such an obscure product as the Slave Implant may not be listed I tried searching for prices of microwarpdrives. Once again, no result.

Am I doing something wrong or is the website currently down? I would really like to use what you have created, but I seem to be having trouble. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

-Solan

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You probably got really unlucky, and no pricing was submitted in the past 5 days. I've changed the default to 15 days. I'm seeing recent prices on 100MN MWD I right now for example.

I've now added a feature to filter out old trade route entries. Enjoy!


- Kal

Posted - 2006.01.18 22:01:00 - [119]

 

I just wanted to say, thank you pricing submitters!

We've had over 21,700 pricing submissions since launch. Keep up the good work!

- Kaladr