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Topic |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 08:41:00 - [ 1]
Before you all flame me back to oblivion hear me out. Apparently they have introduced the mighty Miner II into the game. HUZZAH..HURRAH.. ok that's all good. Now the manner of the introduction... from all accounts I've been able to gather GM's selected 2.. count'em people 2 players to recieve these copies.
Instead of throwing a tech advance announcement and placing the BP's on the market they arbitrarily handed them to the player corps of their choice. Am I the only one to be truley ****ed and upset that this form of introduction of tech is biased...smacks of favouritism... and a plain old fashioned "Brain Fart" on behalf of the architect of this disaster?
The lucky corps have been reaping in profits on an unprecedented scale widening the gap between large and small corps, making a mockery of any "fair" playability to Eve.
Game content aside.. Pirate Griefers aside.. all the little bugs and minor annoyences that we've had to put up with over the past while as Eve gets to it's feet... THIS more than anything else has made me seriously consider cancelling my account. I can't believe that anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells could think that this unfair and biased tech intro was the right way to do it.
Ok.. that's my little **** N moan session.. I hope that some of you can see my frustration and indicate to the Eve Gods that they screwed the pooch on this one...
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Nicholas Marshal
Caldari
Lisa Needs Braces |
Posted - 2003.08.10 08:43:00 - [ 2]
Life is not fair. EVE mirrors life.
Get over it.
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Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:43:00 - [ 3]
They were rewarded for no apparent reason.
It sucks.
C'est la vie. |
Indigo Seqi
Gallente
Aliastra |
Posted - 2003.08.10 08:44:00 - [ 4]
I think I will change my pirating ways to just destroying everybody that passes by me. This community simply starts to digust me. |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 08:46:00 - [ 5]
Aye Nicolas life does indeed suck. but when I'm paying REAL money for an online experience.. I's like the "sucking" to be at least well thought out before I get the golden ass shaft of pain...  |
Nicholas Marshal
Caldari
Lisa Needs Braces |
Posted - 2003.08.10 08:50:00 - [ 6]
I don't see what the problem is ? I mean who cares if some guy on the otherside of the universe gets a miner II laser BP ?
I mean, so what ? I will never see or even meet them. |
Kerry
Gallente
Heavy-Metal
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:52:00 - [ 7]
No way to compete with those with the favor. How on earth is there an honest competition? I understand GM's having someone "win" a million ISK but to award someone THE entire Universe Market??? Would be like America handing out 2 Microsofts to 2 people of their chosing... Clearly an unfair advantage causing nothing short of them NOT being aloud to fight with anyone in the game EVER as they have ALL the upperhand advantages not due them. |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 08:55:00 - [ 8]
Nico... the problem is that it was a poorly planned ..unfair introduction of tech to the community. Giving unfair advantage to 2 Corps, I don't give a rat's hindquarters what side of the universe it's on.... it will eventually filter over your/my way... but in so doing will give a HUGE artificial advantage to the corps that are the favourites of those who control events in Eve. |
Ruffles |
Posted - 2003.08.10 09:02:00 - [ 9]
It amazes me some people don't understand the maginitude of such a means of, as someone so compared it, picking people to be the new Microsoft. I think there is a lot of reading people should do, and some amazingly well put together comments from others on this subject. Try the following threads: True or Faulse Reports of Miner IIMiner II: The face of things to come?There is a lot of information there, and when you have people like Stavros understanding the magnitude of this issue, you really should take a second look. Perhaps you have missed some of the biggies hidden below the surface. |
Ruffles |
Posted - 2003.08.10 09:04:00 - [ 10]
The comments of the best-seen answer to this at present:  Quote:
Jash Illian:
What's happening right now has nothing to do with the specific laser. It could just as well be a tech lvl 2 cruise missile bp.
What people are upset about is that an item which yields a substantial advantage to people was given and not earned. It tells them that no matter how good they are, how hard they try, that their efforts can be negated by someone having something handed to them.
If a person goes out to Great Wildlands, scans every solarsystem correctly and discovered a location that has pirate bships which drop tech lvl 2 bps, that person will feel tremendously proud of themselves. They earned that information. They've proven to themselves they have a chance at the super rewards if they put in the effort.
When reports that a player was simply given something, it's a severe blow to the morale. Especially when the reports involve one of the biggest groups in the game. Those reports only stand to further prove that the little guy cannot win. That they can work for weeks and weeks on end to earn a minor piece of fluff. While someone else simply has it handed to them on a platter. Blows to the morale like that cause people to quit.
Given the reports concerning this blueprint's entry into the game, whoever received the blueprint did not earn a reward of this magnitude. Personally I feel that bluepint rewards shouldn't be something considered at all for any event, except epic scale ones. As a reward, it's too far out of scale compared to the sheer amount of killing and risk other people go through for a 3% chance of a blueprint drop. Which, btw, I'm certain is broken horribly atm.
Giving someone 100 Miner IIs would not have the impact that giving someone the blueprint will, even if the blueprints were tossed on the market like they were at release on Thursday. From today until that day they have something people would literally kill for: A market in Eve with 0 competition and guaranteed sales. As Stavros and others pointed out, we're talking battleship blueprint original money between now and Thursday. At which time that item's price is gonna nosedive, taking all other miners with it.
P.S.:
I say Thursday just as example.
Imagine this was something like a new ship or weapon of unscaled power, handed to your enemy corp, and they decided the rest of the game weren't going to have access to this technology? What would you think then? |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 09:09:00 - [ 11]
Thank you Ruffles for correctly interpreting my admittedly bombastic rant. I am quite ****ed at this turn of events.. and rightly so I believe... |
Jake Solnich
Gallente
Aliastra |
Posted - 2003.08.10 09:15:00 - [ 12]
If the way the Miner II's were introduced is indeed true, it is a direct symptom of the same problems that are occuring with the bugs and execution of this game from day one. It's not just about this problem of the Miner II but the game as a whole. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game and I love it. But CCP has got some major issues on there hands right now and they really need to get it together. Come on guys I know you can do it. Make Eve what it was meant to be; a really fun game to play. As it is, it has become a pain lately and frankly too much like reality. When I play Eve I want to have fun and forget about reality. I don't want to worry about whether I gonna lose some stuff due to bugs or whether the gameplay is unfair. I can't say anymore...  |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:35:00 - [ 13]
by all accounts the story of the Miner II introduction is correct. an "oopsie" by a Dev.. ok. fine and dandy.. whover thought of this solution obviously did not think thru the ramifications and community backlash. But you are right... it's becoming more like work to play Eve.. and that is a sad thing indeed. |
Kerry
Gallente
Heavy-Metal
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:38:00 - [ 14]
Doesn't sound like very much work at all if you are the only one in the game that owns a rare BP....  |
annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad. |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:45:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: annoing on 10/08/2003 11:46:40
Well ive been telling all who care to listen and watching my posts dissapear every time I tell you all:
Pann and Tomb have the tongues well and truely rooted up TTI ***. CCP are playing favourites and have done since beta with TTI.
1)The Miner II bp would have served the Eve community better by having been given to a small corp struggling to find a way in Eve.
2) Regardless wether it was a result of a loot drop or not, the fact that it has been placed to drop in TTI's alliance area is enough to guarentee that TTI get the bp.
3) The community has the RIGHT to feel aggrieved over the obvious favouritism by GM's towards these bigger corps.
Can you tell I really dont like Pann very much? This will only change when Pann and Tomb start showing that they are truely neutral towards all corps and players.
Bite me Ban me but stop Bugging me |
zincol
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:47:00 - [ 16]
i'd just like to point out that TTI also has 3 polaris members in there corp. |
Calalbran |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:50:00 - [ 17]
1)The Miner II bp would have served the Eve community better by having been given to a small corp struggling to find a way in Eve.
2) Regardless wether it was a result of a loot drop or not, the fact that it has been placed to drop in TTI's alliance area is enough to guarentee that TTI get the bp.
If the BP was given to the smallest corp in the game - they'd still benefit, and go on to be the richest for a while.
Perhaps it should have been given to the newest player? Who then sells it to a rich corp.
Or perhaps it should have been given to me - I have no use for it, and mine only occasioanlly.
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Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:51:00 - [ 18]
3 Polaris Members.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm .... My My.. Thanks for that info... Imagine that.. TTI gets the goodies... and they have 3 Polaris members.. what are the odds?  |
Klydor
Minmatar |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:52:00 - [ 19]
Don't moan, in time the bp's may become available to other corps via market etc. So long as it's not always the same two people getting the new bp's or the same corp. I for one don't care.
If the bp's just appear on the market then we end up with everyone buying originals. We end up with a game where every corp is virtually identical in ability and resources. We end up with a boring game.
This is a step in the correct direction. It makes some corps unique. So they have miner II's someone else will get other tech 2 bp's. Eventually we may see them on the market as well when tech 3 nears release.
Also bp's may start becoming available via pirate drops, agent missions etc. Although I think the chances of getting such a reward should be low at first to keep tech 2 rare. Then as we progress towards tech 3 the rarity of tech 2 can decrease and become a more common occurance maybe becoming available on the market etc.
This IMHO will make the game more fun.
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Erty
Caldari
Exilis inc.
THE V I G I L |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:53:00 - [ 20]
Quote:
Aye Nicolas life does indeed suck. but when I'm paying REAL money for an online experience.. I's like the "sucking" to be at least well thought out before I get the golden ass shaft of pain...
You're paying real money to live, too   Quote:
I don't see what the problem is ? I mean who cares if some guy on the otherside of the universe gets a miner II laser BP ?
I mean, so what ? I will never see or even meet them.
So right, so right! Why do you people care? What's the point? This is not a competition. You can have fun even if some guy has 1 billion isk more than you. I promise. |
Calalbran |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:57:00 - [ 21]
Don't forget too - at the moment, plenty of people will want the miner2 because its better than most (all even?) other miners.
But any other tech lvl 2 stuff coming out will also be wanted by a lot of people.
After all, you could say that miner2s will only be wanted by people doing mining - which is probably a majority of the population.
Tech lvl 2 guns and shields however would be wanted by just about everyone.
Or how about tech lvl 2 afterburners and MWDs? Or Cap boosters and ships? (will there be tech lvl 2 ships? I hope so).
I'd be very suprised if the same people got more than 1 or 2 of the BPs unless they bought them from other people (though entirely possible that the richest corps could buy a number of rare BPs).
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Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:58:00 - [ 22]
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Talur Lokarn
Caldari
Taggart Transdimensional |
Posted - 2003.08.10 12:41:00 - [ 23]
I'd like to start with:
1. I'm in TTI
2. This is not an official TTI post
I've read all the posts on this topic and nowhere do I see anybody OTHER than you guys (annoing, Joshua, skeeve and zencol) claim that TTI has the Blueprint for the Miner 2. Sure there are plenty of others that jump on to the bandwagon, but mainly it's you four that are going on about it as if it were undisputable fact, when in reality it's merely baseless rumours.
I've talked to a bunch of people in TTI and none of them have the blueprint. Yes, there are some Miner 2s circulating around in TTI that were bought for the same price you lot could buy them for (if you had the money) and I think (THINK) I saw someone say they were going to buy a blueprint, but I'm not aware of anyone been given a miner 2 nor the blueprint and I think this type of thing would be heard of pretty quickly in TTI.
Not that it matters what I, or any other TTI member say. It seems to be the popular trend to follow a small handfull that seem to hate TTI for whatever reason (most of whome have actually never delt with TTI) like a bunch of mindless lemmings rather than looking at what people are saying, staying quiet until they know the full facts and then make up their mind.
As it stands now, even after the Miner V incident was shown clearly not to be TTI's "fault" people still find a way to find a fault in how TTI delt with that situation. Of course the CCP employee was given full pardon, TTI however can never be forgiven!
Even when the full facts of how this blueprint came into the game (i've heard several "rumours" that I actually believe- none of which have anything to do with "Jovian" favourtism towards TTI/ie. exchange of Miner V for Miner 2 blueprint), no one will ever pardon TTI. After all, they bought Miner 2s...isn't that just as much as a crime as been given the blueprint? Surely it must be - if it isn't...it's TTI..they're okay to hate.
Here's the thing...
Before you start accusing people of something, how about making sure that what you're about to say is fact. And before you follow like a lemming, how about you make sure for yourself that this is fact. That way, we'll have less of this crap.
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Ana Khouri
Caldari
Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.08.10 13:05:00 - [ 24]
It doesn't really goes about TTI. But TTI - better: a TTI employee, as one official TTI member said in a post - has one. There were two of these Nibelung Lasers, and now are 2 Miner 2 BP copies ingame.
What stands to question is ccps strange behaviour. People moaned because of the nibelung laser. Something which I cannot really understand, perhaps they though there were more of them and not that 2 individuals had only 1 each.
But CCP reacted for a change. The techlevel 5 items will be removed and the players will be given something else as compensation.
But giving a techlvl 2 BP copy of one of the most thought after items??? That is like giving someone who was awarded with a diamond accidently a means to manufactor rubys as exchange.
THAT is about what people are ****ed off. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence |
Posted - 2003.08.10 13:21:00 - [ 25]
Aye, the Miner II Bps are worth a million times more than individual tech 5 miners, but by no means as much as an end-game item as those nibelungs were. Imagine if some exploit or legitimate means was found to create nibelung lasers from those 2 originals, it'd be bad, real bad.
So I agree the nibelungs had to be removed, and I agree the persons owning them should get something to compensate, but not a complete monopoly on what should be a COMMON item.
(Note: This is assuming those Miner II prints were in fact handed out in exchange for the Nibelungs) |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 13:58:00 - [ 26]
Talur - I'm NOT the only one who is upset... and I did not state that it was TTI who had the BP. this was pointed out by numerous different sources. Corp notwithstanding, it was a bad solution, with worse consequences. It has created harsh feelings towards CCP and the Eve experience. In short, CCP has screwed up and is not taking steps to remedy a festering situation. The suggestion that the BP's were handed out to "teachers Pets" has been forwarded by MANY people. surely they can't all be wrong? In any event, I for one have had my faith in CCP drop by an order of magnitude... many won't care... but many more feel the same way and that is not good for the gaming environment. |
Setec
Caldari
The Graduates |
Posted - 2003.08.10 15:32:00 - [ 27]
What a stupid goddamn post.
First people whine endlessly that blueprints are available too easily and there's an impossible price war so that manufacturers can't make decent money.
Then blueprints are introduced to only a couple of people and everybody whines that those people are making decent money.
Drunkenmaster is right, sometimes I think of changing my pirating ways from giving people a chance to pay to simply blowing everybody up and podding them, cause the odds of them deserving it for one reason or another seem really high at times.
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Dodgy Dave |
Posted - 2003.08.10 15:38:00 - [ 28]
Just dont buy Miner II's at stupid bloody prices (5.5m FFS?)from greedy ****s making the most of their "dubiously acquired" bp given by a team with collectively less brain cells than an amoeba. |
Dominion Alaris
Amarr
Dominion Imperium |
Posted - 2003.08.10 15:52:00 - [ 29]
Great discoveries in RL where often made just by a single party that then earned millions and millions of their discovery. Many of you are screaming: "Monopoly" but look how the world is today... he isn't about anything else then just monopoly. And as said before... Eve mirrors real life.... Start playing the game to enjoy it instead of complaining about it... you are a part of unique universe and you are ruining your gaming experience by complaining all the time... just try to enjoy it! |
Ana Khouri
Caldari
Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.08.10 16:01:00 - [ 30]
If it was their discovery - no problem, none at all. Problem is it wasn't... |
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