Posted - 2005.11.14 10:36:00 - [271]

 

G, maybe if G had said it wanted to be a Southern Alliance, all would have been okay.

Instead G says it has to BE

Or something close to that.

Well, the sandbox has been formed, and the lines have been drawn. Let the tug-wars begin!!

btw - Hi BoB - good to see you here and hear you here too!

Posted - 2005.11.14 10:48:00 - [273]

 

Originally by: Trooper B99

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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 14/11/2005 10:33:04


Interesting discussion here. Some good points, some poor points and a fair bit of misinformation. Good ol' corp discussion forums.

Out of curiosity as something following this in various areas and posts, can an ASCN member publically confirm or deny the authenticity of this statement attributed to their forums?

Originally by: Aias - post #249

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This part from the ASCN Forum was posted by an CLS-Member to G-lead four days ago:

Fleet orders have changed.
Fleet needs to return to Impass and prepare to assault G/Iron/Razor in SA asap.
This is a continuation of our PvP rotation, the target has changed and will kick G/Iron out of the south. We might even get in some POS killing practice.
We will come back north as soon as the situation down south has been dealt with.

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trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them. And the value of that post = 0 because I have no say in those decisions. Its the same **** that happens everytime people quote stuff of peoples forums but they take little snippits which are taken out of context and are incomplete without the rest of the forums.

I mean that quote could easily be someones misinterpretation of guys come back to 0.0 because were unsure of what g/iron intend to do. The quote could be someone getting over excited and totally blowing stuff out of proportion.

Dude if i still had acess to mc forums im sure i could scan through old threads and discussions and quote from just joking comments and make it look like mc gonna war dec alot of people but it wouldnt be true or accurate.. but the quote would be.

Posted - 2005.11.14 10:54:00 - [275]

 

Originally by: Roxanne

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Originally by: Eleese

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trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.

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Anyone in ASCN can issue fleet orders? ...

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Anyone can type a thread.

Posted - 2005.11.14 10:58:00 - [277]

 

Originally by: Doltish

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Edited by: Doltish on 14/11/2005 10:55:43

Originally by: Eleese

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trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.

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I mean that quote could easily be someones misinterpretation of guys come back to 0.0 because were unsure of what g/iron intend to do. The quote could be someone getting over excited and totally blowing stuff out of proportion.

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So your only defense of the quote is that you don't have any clue what the context was? Gee...talk about meaningful contribution.

I believe his intent in asking for confirmation was to ask someone who *did* have an idea of the context, and precisely where the quote was taken from. Posting that you have no information isn't helpful.

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actually i cant find the quote atm

Posted - 2005.11.14 10:58:00 - [279]

 

Originally by: Eleese

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Dude if i still had acess to mc forums im sure i could scan through old threads and discussions and quote from just joking comments and make it look like mc gonna war dec alot of people but it wouldnt be true or accurate.. but the quote would be.

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Eleese, that may well be true. However I think the reason Trooper pointed that out is that it doesn't look like someone joking; it looks like a set of orders / plans. It certianly doesn't sound like:

"Let's go steal Blacklight's booze! Form up the fleet! Redrum! Redrum!!"

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:01:00 - [281]

 

Akoudoulos no smack or flames you know the rule m8

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:08:00 - [283]

 

Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Akoudoulos no smack or flames you know the rule m8

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Ok boss my bad, but i din't smack(intentionally), i just wonder how 2500 ppl alliance can't deal with just 1/3 of nbsi

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:13:00 - [285]

 

Originally by: Seleene

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Eleese, that may well be true. However I think the reason Trooper pointed that out is that it doesn't look like someone joking; it looks like a set of orders / plans. It certianly doesn't sound like.

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Quote:

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trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.

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Oh aye Eleese, i know anyone can post to forums for whatever reason but context is the thing here and also if the quote actually exists in the first place.

For example, if that had been posted and everyone was laughing and joking after it and telling the noob to stfu, then its probably nonsense. However, if the following posts had been discussions about attacking and so on, its a bit different. Also, it would depend on WHO had posted it as well - Cyvok/Steelrat/Krapz posting that is different from johnny-CLS-n00b posting it.

Context is the key here.

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:14:00 - [287]

 

Look it really doesn't matter in the end.

ASCN isn't a victim of a treacherous betrayal here. There has to be some kind of malice behind the actions for that to be the case. But in this situation, G/IRON are responding to a perceived threat.

If that threat is so misunderstood, or imaginary, why is it not a simple matter to dissolve? Yes there have been plenty of ASCN leadership on these boards explaining their piece, but they are all full of holes and ignore all the key points the IRON folks have been making.

Now I'm willing to accept that the two groups are simply not on the same page. If that's the case, it takes only one group to make a little effort to understand the actions of the other and then based on that understanding, propose a remedy. And in this situation (from my perspective at least), ASCN has the most to lose. So it would be in their best interests to make that wee bit of effort. If that's below them at this point, that's fine. We'll meet on the battlefield and sort it that way. Chances are thats what's gonna happen anyhow.

But people in these forums are so hot under the hood and so accusatory, and are unwilling or unable to look past assumptions of character. Maybe being a noob is a boon on my part, because I haven't built up any prejudices towards anyone just yet - all I've done is build great friendships.

I guess what I'm saying is, if nobody wants to actually *resolve* the issue, then stop talking AT one another and let's just play the game like decent folk.

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:16:00 - [289]

 

Originally by: Akoudoulos

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Akoudoulos no smack or flames you know the rule m8

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Ok boss my bad, but i din't smack(intentionally), i just wonder how 2500 ppl alliance can't deal with just 1/3 of nbsi

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Its was a total flame :)
And last i checked were actually doing better on your killboard than our own lol (no idea how that works)

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:19:00 - [291]

 

Originally by: Qayos

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If it were me, I wouldn't talk to them, as they have proven (by direct action) themselves dishonest and not to be trusted under any circumstances. "Fool me once, shame on you... etc..."

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Which is the same they say about ASCN. Both sides feel betrayed and backstabbed... funny how these things work, isn't it?

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:21:00 - [293]

 

Edited by: Akoudoulos on 14/11/2005 11:22:23

Originally by: Eleese

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Originally by: Akoudoulos

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Akoudoulos no smack or flames you know the rule m8

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Ok boss my bad, but i din't smack(intentionally), i just wonder how 2500 ppl alliance can't deal with just 1/3 of nbsi

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Its was a total flame :)
And last i checked were actually doing better on your killboard than our own lol (no idea how that works)

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thats because our killboard is setup to show kills from the 1st of november(thats when you appeared in the north) while yours the start date is from the first day of the (war 10 days later):)

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:22:00 - [295]

 

Originally by: Doltish

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ASCN isn't a victim of a treacherous betrayal here. There has to be some kind of malice behind the actions for that to be the case. But in this situation, G/IRON are responding to a perceived threat.

If that threat is so misunderstood, or imaginary, why is it not a simple matter to dissolve? Yes there have been plenty of ASCN leadership on these boards explaining their piece, but they are all full of holes and ignore all the key points the IRON folks have been making.

Now I'm willing to accept that the two groups are simply not on the same page. If that's the case, it takes only one group to make a little effort to understand the actions of the other and then based on that understanding, propose a remedy. And in this situation (from my perspective at least), ASCN has the most to lose. So it would be in their best interests to make that wee bit of effort. If that's below them at this point, that's fine.

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I guess what I'm saying is, if nobody wants to actually *resolve* the issue, then stop talking AT one another

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Err... G/IRON are northern barbarians, ASCN is a southern alliance, a beacon of shining light.

why would you need positive standings towards eachother or be looking to resolve the situation?

You are *supposed* to shoot eachother.

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:24:00 - [297]

 

Originally by: Rhodry Amarrian

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: Eleese

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Dude if i still had acess to mc forums im sure i could scan through old threads and discussions and quote from just joking comments and make it look like mc gonna war dec alot of people but it wouldnt be true or accurate.. but the quote would be.

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Eleese, that may well be true. However I think the reason Trooper pointed that out is that it doesn't look like someone joking; it looks like a set of orders / plans. It certianly doesn't sound like:

"Let's go steal Blacklight's booze! Form up the fleet! Redrum! Redrum!!"

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But what does that quote actually say that is supposed to be so damning??? I am clearly missing something but what?

"Fleet orders have changed."

OK?

"Fleet needs to return to Impass and prepare to assault G/Iron/Razor in SA asap."

I.e. G/IRON etc are going back on the understanding that this was going to be a short term invasion of SA to give MASS a bloody nose (which SA knew about and was cool with as a way to test its mettle) - they are now putting up POS and making it seem they are here for the long haul. We dont want G/IRON as long term neighbours.

"This is a continuation of our PvP rotation, the target has changed and will kick G/Iron out of the south. We might even get in some POS killing practice."

See above - the situation has changed and we may need to help SA (whether they want that help or not) and to remove the G/IRON POS.

"We will come back north as soon as the situation down south has been dealt with."

Once things have settled down at home, we can get back to attacking NBSI as we are not really interested in attacking G/IRON.

Where is the big conspiracy here?

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Yeah that about sums it up as how i read it.

Posted - 2005.11.14 11:25:00 - [299]

 

Originally by: Roxanne

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Which is the same they say about ASCN. Both sides feel betrayed and backstabbed... funny how these things work, isn't it?

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AFAIK there was never a statement saying "none of us will ever leave Xetic if Xetic no longer seems the right place for us/our corp to be".

There was a statement saying that G/IRON would leave the south and not attack ASCN (hence the whole blue thing).

One is a breakup, which may hurt like any parting of ways, but is not dishonest. The other is dishonest.