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Topic |
Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y |
Posted - 2003.08.08 11:56:00 - [ 1]
lets keep this anonymous...because its the point not the persons that matters.
anyway, a guy i know shot down a "former" pirate. That pirate obviously posted something like "i lost my ship to a bug..." and sent a message to the guy that killed him: "the devs gave me my stuff back!".
now...he might be lying! and i sure hope he is!
but something else happened a while back that might be connected or not. Another friend of mine was trying to get a lock on that same "pirate" but got the message: "this pilot is protected by CONCORD" (or something similar to that), and couldnt get a lock.
now, i want to ask...is it really possible for people to post in a petition saying...i lost my ship because of a bug (blah blah blah) and get their ship back...
sure...i dont see any "major" problems there...but if the claims are false, as they appear to be in the example i gave above, is the claim checked or not?
i know i am posting serious accusations, which is a reason i want to keep all parties anonymous until this "exploit" has been dealt with...
if it is proved that it is possible to "exploit" the petition system, i want to...and will give names! I will not tolerate people cheating or gaining advantages...people who lose their ships deserve to be reimbursed but the [insert appropriate word] who take advantage of it deserve whatever is coming for them... |
Daesdemona |
Posted - 2003.08.08 12:01:00 - [ 2]
this game never ceases to amaze me. |
Valeria
Caldari
The Spang |
Posted - 2003.08.08 12:41:00 - [ 3]
I know someone who not only got his ship back, but got a BETTER ship back after loosing it to CONCORD due to firing on someone in a high-security system (lol). Why? Because he was a friend of a friend who happened to be friend with a GM...
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Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y |
Posted - 2003.08.08 12:43:00 - [ 4]
uhm, and no actions taken against the GM or the player in question?
I personally know two people who work with EVE...and they tell me the security is very strict, so no employee can exploit (give isk or whatever)...
how is this then possible? |
Alkad Mzu
hirr
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2003.08.08 12:45:00 - [ 5]
AFAIK, you do not get reimbursement of ships and equipment lost in combat situations PERIOD. If there has been a change of policy, i would like to know. And i'm sure others would as well. |
drunkenmaster
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2003.08.08 13:07:00 - [ 6]
Without knowing who you were referring to, I'd say it was a lie. And they were trying to steal from you the joy of having destroyed their ship.
I hope you saved the email.
As for the protected by Concord bit, I really dunno what to make of that. |
Bristoll
Caldari
The Penumbra Initiative |
Posted - 2003.08.08 23:29:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Bristoll on 08/08/2003 23:32:46I had an interesting occurrance happen to me a while back: My corp had been at war with another for about 72 hours with the "can fight: yes" flag turned on. I saw one of the other corps' members as he appeared from a warp at a station. I started heading towards him, even tho I din't have my ship fitted for PC combat; he was in a kestrel, I was in a Moa and didn't have my webby or warp scrambler fitted. He locked me and opened fire and I returned the favor. Funny thing was that as soon as I hit him (and I hit him HARD...) a CONCORD kill squad came in and stompped me with a BS and a few cruisers.  As it turns out, he was using a known exploit of grouping with another char that was not part of his corp while in combat with me to skew the combat flags in the code. A wise GM replaced my ship and explained to me what had happened and explained that it would be fixed in the next patch due to fairly widespread abuse. This is an instance where someone that lost a ship in a combat situation SHOULD have their ship replaced. i belive this bug has been fixed now, but it's not to say that some other, ah, enterprising individual might not find something else to exploit that needs GM attention and might require the replacement of a ship. The only thing that I didn't care for about CCP's response was that it took about a week to get it resolved. OK, done rambling now...  {edit} Also, the player in question warped out as soon as CONCORD arrived leaving absolutely NO possibility he could have actuially killed me. If there is even a question that the loss of the ship was "working as intended", then I agree that the ship should not be replaced. |
Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y |
Posted - 2003.08.09 15:35:00 - [ 8]
isnt it difficult to verify the claims players make about "bugs" killing their ships?
and if ships are being given back, arent the GM's really "trusting" the players to be telling the truth? |
Tyrion Nydaerin
The Yakuza
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:23:00 - [ 9]
I know for definate that at least three players who lost thier ships due to the grid bug/exploit had thier ships replaced. One of them was killed by NPC pirates he couldnt see, and the other two were killed by m0o/sinister in the Fountain. In all cases the ships plus the moduls attacked were returned to the pilot's hangars.
The reason given was that the GMs involved had traveled to the affected areas and had been able to replicate the bug. Only in cases where the bug can be replicated and it can be shown in the logs that the destroyed ship was in the area affected by the bug will items be replaced, from what I was told.
I know this for a fact because I was one of the pilots whose ship/moules were replaced.
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Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:26:00 - [ 10]
 Quote:
I know for definate that at least three players who lost thier ships due to the grid bug/exploit had thier ships replaced. One of them was killed by NPC pirates he couldnt see, and the other two were killed by m0o/sinister in the Fountain. In all cases the ships plus the moduls attacked were returned to the pilot's hangars.
The reason given was that the GMs involved had traveled to the affected areas and had been able to replicate the bug. Only in cases where the bug can be replicated and it can be shown in the logs that the destroyed ship was in the area affected by the bug will items be replaced, from what I was told.
I know this for a fact because I was one of the pilots whose ship/moules were replaced.
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Weren't users of the grid exploit told they'd have their accounts terminated? |
Tyrion Nydaerin
The Yakuza
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:30:00 - [ 11]
Well, those involved claimed they "didn't know".
Quite how the managed not to figure it out after seeing that the number of ships on thier scanners vastly outnumbered the number of ships they could actually see is another story, and one which could easily lead to much flaming...
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annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad. |
Posted - 2003.08.09 17:34:00 - [ 12]
I know of one well known pirate who has had his ship returned to him after losing it to a bug: He provided logs, a bug report and the bug was easily replicated thanks to his endevour. Unfortunately for him, his mods werent replaced by the GM's. Goes to show that if you are careful and make sure your dmp.exe is active to mark your bugs when they happen you CAN get your stuff back. A lesson to all those (including me) who lose their ships due to bugs. Mine was the local chat bug which showed this very same pirate in station, when in fact he was at the gate. So much for me getting there first and laying a trap for him!! Oh well, we live and learn  Good luck and stay safe out there.  |
Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:33:00 - [ 13]
so
1. it is possible to get your ship back if its lost to a bug.
2. no one will of course admit that they got their ship back because they said they had lost it due to a bug without being able to give evidence of it.
3. its difficult, if not impossible, to get the modules back.
yes, the killer saved the message he got from his victim...
...proving that you got your ship back using underhanded tactics (exploiting a compensation program...of sorts) should be considered an exploit and thus applicable to the EULA...where it says you will be banned if you use exploits to gain advantage in the game.
i would like to see an investigation... |
Skeeve |
Posted - 2003.08.10 11:47:00 - [ 14]
This is a troubling matter. If GM's can give "a friend of a friend.." perks.. where is the integrity of CCP and it's staff / associates? If the rules don't apply to the priveledged few how can the unwashed masses feel confident in the buisness and gameing intelligence of CCP itself? Should this prove true it would be the last straw for me. With the Miner 2 fiasco.. the "heavy hand of God" tactics by Polaris in the discussion boards and continual game bugs I'm gone.. a game like this is meant to be enjoyed.. and it has such potential to be great. yet it seems to be slipping into a self serving online LAN party that only the invited friends can have any real fun with. I truly hope CCP is paying attention and acts with alacrity. The PAYING gamers and your customers deserve HONEST answers and explinations.. even if GM's were giving freebie Upgd's to friends. Turf the offenders and lets get on with life.. don't cover up.. you can't people talk far too much. Rumour will kill Eve far quicker than assorted coding bugs.  |
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