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RUMPRA1DER |
Posted - 2011.08.29 20:48:00 - [ 1]
I really like the look of it....yet people seem to say everywhere that it's not worth flying? yet the hookbill is considered a pretty good ship for Close Range Rocket adventures with Dual Webs?
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.29 20:48:00 - [ 2]
Because it's Caldari... |
Tom Gerard
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2011.08.29 20:51:00 - [ 3]
The Hookbill is ****, but the Hawk is slower than ****.
In general missile boats fail because their hulls are slow as **** or slower. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation |
Posted - 2011.08.29 20:53:00 - [ 4]
Think you answered your own question,  |
iKill Giants
Eternal Phoenix Rises |
Posted - 2011.08.29 20:57:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: RUMPRA1DER
I really like the look of it...
Well, first let me say that this isn't going to get you far when it comes to defending a ship. I wouldn't point it out, except it's the only point in it's favor you made. I think the reason people don't like it is it's paper (EFT) DPS is low for an AF, even with max skills. And then add that to the fact that a Hawk's main target, frigates, aren't going to be taking full damage, and then that those frigates will probably be resisting it somewhat, comes down to not much DPS. Where I think the Hawk really shines, to be honest, is PvE. The problem is, not many people PvE in a frigate. But it's got this wonderful active tank bonus, only one among all frigs, it's got selectable damage, it's got high DPS for larger targets and doesn't need to track... It seems like the natural choice for speed/sig/shieldtanking the Serpentis Phi-Outpost, at least  |
Blnukem 192
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.29 20:58:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: iKill Giants
Originally by: RUMPRA1DER
I really like the look of it...
Well, first let me say that this isn't going to get you far when it comes to defending a ship. I wouldn't point it out, except it's the only point in it's favor you made.
I think the reason people don't like it is it's paper (EFT) DPS is low for an AF, even with max skills. And then add that to the fact that a Hawk's main target, frigates, aren't going to be taking full damage, and then that those frigates will probably be resisting it somewhat, comes down to not much DPS.
Where I think the Hawk really shines, to be honest, is PvE. The problem is, not many people PvE in a frigate. But it's got this wonderful active tank bonus, only one among all frigs, it's got selectable damage, it's got high DPS for larger targets and doesn't need to track... It seems like the natural choice for speed/sig/shieldtanking the Serpentis Phi-Outpost, at least
To sum this up, like all Caldari ships, it's only useful for PVE.  |
Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden. |
Posted - 2011.08.29 20:59:00 - [ 7]
Hawkwaaaard |
RUMPRA1DER |
Posted - 2011.08.29 21:11:00 - [ 8]
this saddens me greatly.....are there ANY useful PVP rocket/missile frigs besides the hookbill? |
iKill Giants
Eternal Phoenix Rises |
Posted - 2011.08.29 21:15:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: RUMPRA1DER
this saddens me greatly.....are there ANY useful PVP rocket/missile frigs besides the hookbill?
As I recall, the Worm is rather nice. Oooooh, and the Vengeance. And, uh... Hm. Maybe part of the problem is that there just aren't many higher-class missile frigs. I mean, there are stealth bombers, but those are entirely different. |
Doctor Mabuse |
Posted - 2011.08.29 21:27:00 - [ 10]
Caldari. Solo. PvP. Pick any two out of the three |
Blnukem 192
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.29 21:31:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Caldari. Solo. PvP. Pick any two out of the three
Try posting with your main. kthxbai |
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo |
Posted - 2011.08.29 22:33:00 - [ 12]
it_s a perfectly viable solo ship. |
Generals4
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.29 22:51:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Generals4 on 29/08/2011 22:51:55
I killed a dram with a dual web fitted hawk. I think it's just fine though the fit has to really be adapted to the situation so it can be dodgy at times.
Just remember to overheat. |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers |
Posted - 2011.08.29 23:43:00 - [ 14]
As assault frigates go, the Hawk's a pretty decent ship. Like all AFs, it could use a fourth bonus and a little increase in speed/agility, but they're perfectly viable and I'd happily fight more or less any other frigate in one.
As shown by the responses to this thread, it also has the very useful quality of being massively underestimated. |
Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
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Posted - 2011.08.30 01:33:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Soldarius on 30/08/2011 01:33:18 Originally by: Tsubutai
As assault frigates go, the Hawk's a pretty decent ship. Like all AFs, it could use a fourth bonus and a little increase in speed/agility, but they're perfectly viable and I'd happily fight more or less any other frigate in one.
As shown by the responses to this thread, it also has the very useful quality of being massively underestimated.
Indeed. It is also quite capable of soloing Incursion scout sites. |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2011.08.30 01:53:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 30/08/2011 01:53:14There's an RvB pilot who flies the Hawk frequently and is very difficult to take down without a lot of energy neuting. You pair a Hawk with Crystal implants and it becomes a wonderful damage sponge. Even though frigates won't really take full damage from rockets, the damage being put out by the Hawk is still significant (if underwhelming compared to, say, a blaster Harpy.) Also I died in a Jaguar to a Hawk for some reason.  |
What Isdees |
Posted - 2011.08.30 01:56:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Blnukem 192
Because it's Caldari...
Drake? Tengu? Not fail??? |
iKill Giants
Eternal Phoenix Rises |
Posted - 2011.08.30 02:13:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: What Isdees
Originally by: Blnukem 192
Because it's Caldari...
Drake?
Tengu?
Not fail???
Originally by: Blnukem 192
To sum this up, like all Caldari ships, it's only useful for PVE.
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Sullen Skoung |
Posted - 2011.08.30 03:18:00 - [ 19]
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Khira Kitamatsu |
Posted - 2011.08.30 03:39:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: RUMPRA1DER
this saddens me greatly.....are there ANY useful PVP rocket/missile frigs besides the hookbill?
I think the Vengeance is a better than average rocket boat. Might look into that. ^_^ |
Johnny Dexter |
Posted - 2011.08.30 06:53:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
so pve is fail then? ah ok
Why yes, of course it is. EVE PvE is repetitive, unimaginative, and poorly rewarding ( no, I do not mean ISK ). Out of the 5 Ds of MMO questing - Deliver, Destroy, Defend, Drop, Discover - EVE only uses three: Deliver and Destroy missions, and exploration being Discover. CCP uses the whole 'EVE iz a PvP gaem!" excuse to let poor content made by poorly skilled and funded developers from 8 years ago stay in the game. If you really and truly enjoy EVE PvE, then you either have not played any other MMOs and simply don't know any better, or you're a blummin massochist. |
Sullen Skoung |
Posted - 2011.08.30 06:56:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Johnny Dexter
If you really and truly enjoy EVE PvE, then you either have not played any other MMOs and simply don't know any better, or you're a blummin massochist.
lol must be a masochist, I actually LIKE missions. Well the real reason they dont get rid of missions and PVE in this game is the EIGHTY PERCENT of the population of the "gaem" that live in high sec and PVE (whether it be PVrats or PVrocks lol) would quite likely leave the game an CCP like their money :D |
Tian Garsk |
Posted - 2011.08.30 07:02:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
If you really and truly enjoy EVE PvE, then you either have not played any other MMOs and simply don't know any better, or you're a blummin massochist.
Odd really becasue i have played other MMO's, infact over the years i've tried a good 30 or so MMO's (there's a lot more out there than people realise), and i don't see much difference between EVE "questing" and other games, most MMO's are generally go here kill this go there or take this item to this npc, there's not that much variation in the industry really. |
Sullen Skoung |
Posted - 2011.08.30 07:04:00 - [ 24]
fix your quotes. that wasnt me that said that |
Mister Swift
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.08.30 07:24:00 - [ 25]
Hawk isn't that bad. Your DPS isn't that great and AB fit you are quite slow, but you have a better tank than most frigs and a handy utility slot for a Nos or a Neut. With some fiddling around you can fit a MSE + Web or MSB + cap booster, which overloaded and with Blue Pill which gives you quite a decent active tank. I think your biggest problem will be a) catching things and b) anything with high kinetic resists. On the plus side lots of people think "lolhawk" and let their guard down  |
Iceni |
Posted - 2011.08.30 11:19:00 - [ 26]
A Hawk is a small Eagle.
'nuff said. |
Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation |
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:04:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Smodab Ongalot on 30/08/2011 15:06:35Edited by: Smodab Ongalot on 30/08/2011 15:05:04Shouldn't this be in ships and fittings? Originally by: Iceni
A Hawk is a small Eagle.
'nuff said.
You are thinking of the harpy. Regardless, the hawk is a great ship. With good skills and a good fit you can easily get 150/150 gank/tank out of it. Like others have said, your only real problem will be catching and holding anything that is AB fit and faster than you. That pretty much means drams and Jag/Wolf. Best part about the hawk? Everyone thinks it's crap and will be happy to engage you solo. >:) SabreEnyoJaguar |
Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc |
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:13:00 - [ 28]
Edited by: Borun Tal on 30/08/2011 15:15:00
Hawk is a fun ship in DED1/DED2 sites... No point in overkill.
ps: rockets fail. |
Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation |
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:32:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Borun Tal
ps: rockets fail.
Did you miss the patch where they got buffed? They are quite good now. |
Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc |
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:39:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Smodab Ongalot
Originally by: Borun Tal
ps: rockets fail.
Did you miss the patch where they got buffed? They are quite good now.
A pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the mirror of your Yugo doesn't make is a Ferrari. |
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