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Effortless Breeze
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.08.30 12:29:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Effortless Breeze on 30/08/2011 12:33:33
Edited by: Effortless Breeze on 30/08/2011 12:29:08
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan


Wars where there is nobody to fight are boring for both sides, and I would love CCP to look at a way to dissuade or otherwise negate these one day.



Amen brother. People who start one man wardecs without the slightest intention of boat violence need to be banned.

Human After All
Veldspar Defence Force

I'd start with these two.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.30 12:47:00 - [92]
 

Waste of isk war dec ing eve uni.

Going to make some phat isk off of that investment? Going to take their space? The war dec issue is almost a non-issue. You can't just *jump* in at will to avoid fighting like the NPC corps.

Chuckle, "over thinkers united 0 - an idea thrown around in some meeting 2"

The game could do with something other than the NPC but not sure everyone wants to go to university :-)


SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2011.08.30 12:55:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/08/2011 13:01:00
Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/08/2011 13:00:34
It strikes me that EVE Uni really doesn't need to be made an NPC corp. Being at war is part of the game, and new players shouldn't be deprived of participating in that. Yeah, they'll die a lot, but that is part of the game. Trying to pretend otherwise will just have them quit when their shinies get blown up when they've moved to a proper player corp.

20-40 frigates fitted for PvP can be VERY dangerous (and cost effective). Heck, I participated in a small rookieship fleet that almost took down a battleship (escaped though the stargate at 35%-ish hull, lucky SoB).

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.08.30 13:01:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
This is sort of true. Though I've only ever deleted three comments. Two were of the "Aren't you a precious little ***" variety, and yours wasn't much better. I have some negative comments on the blog, but they're at least intelligently written. :)


Utterly, ****ing, pathetic. You don't get to delete comments, and then smack that they were pointless. What the **** planet are you on? The comments made were the same I made here, anyway. The same countless people have made about that stinking cess pile you call a blog.

Originally by: Marius Labo
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, albiet it should be an informed opinion.

I've had an alt in E-Uni. It was depressing. I knew more about combat mechanics than your so-called "lecturers" after three months of learning it myself. I'm less than a year into the game and I could pick apart half of your wiki as being either a) Assumptive b) Misleading or c)Flat out wrong.

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I do have to say that the conception that the Uni forces new (I suppose you mean all the membership, we do have many who are not so new) to stay docked up is incorrect. Our rules/wsop allow members to drop corp without penalty and return when the war is over

I know your rules. They're stupid to the extreeme, and anyone questioning "Why this ..?" is instantly stomped on. Even here, you're basically saying "stay docked or leave corp". Awesome list of options.

For instance, it is a hard and fast rule to NEVER RIG T1 frigates. To keep down costs, presumably. What the **** is that bull****? It'll cost you 150k in total to stick on burst and collision projectile rigs on a Rifter (BANNED!!! DO NOT DO THIS!! OMG!! RULES!!) Or 850k to stick on one T2 gyrostab (DO THIS! T2! FTW!). No. ****ing. Common. Sense. Just convenient catch-all rules that make the directors life easier, and harms students... which is why the whole thing is a steaming pile of fail.

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I am not informed in the number of other larger corps that get wardecced by 1 (or a few) man corps but it would be interesting to see a comparison

Any "PVE" or "Industry / mining" corp will see at least a third of their time under a dec, in my experience. It varies, of course, but E-Uni aren't unique in being a target.

Do the wardec mechanics need to be re-written?

No. A thousand times no. If one person (or 5 .. or 10...) can force a 2000 member alliance into a "lockdown" mode, more power to them. It's YOUR fault that they are able to do this. What .. you can't scout? You can't teach to watch local? You're already wardecced half the time so bleats and moans that removing "easy targets" discourages wardecs is a bit moot, no? Learn to Eve.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 13:33:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 13:36:43
Originally by: Khanh'rhh
For instance, it is a hard and fast rule to NEVER RIG T1 frigates. To keep down costs, presumably. What the **** is that bull****? It'll cost you 150k in total to stick on burst and collision projectile rigs on a Rifter (BANNED!!! DO NOT DO THIS!! OMG!! RULES!!) Or 850k to stick on one T2 gyrostab (DO THIS! T2! FTW!). No. ****ing. Common. Sense. Just convenient catch-all rules that make the directors life easier, and harms students... which is why the whole thing is a steaming pile of fail.

One of the many contradictions that are systemic throughout the E-UNI rules and regulations.

They could just tell their students that "No T1 frigate, during war, can have a value greater than 5M ISK (as determined by EFT)." That's still a bad rule, but a far better rule than the nonsensical disallowing of cheap rigs on T1 frigates, while still allowing expensive T2 modules.

Of course, they won't change. Because some "clever" director came up with the current rule, and to suggest a change to something that makes sense would be to a) call them out as they idiot they are, and b) undermine their supreme authoritah.

Pester Tuk
Posted - 2011.08.30 13:46:00 - [96]
 

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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 14:35:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 14:35:45
Originally by: Pester Tuk
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Malcom Vincent
Posted - 2011.08.30 14:37:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/08/2011 13:01:00
Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/08/2011 13:00:34
It strikes me that EVE Uni really doesn't need to be made an NPC corp. Being at war is part of the game, and new players shouldn't be deprived of participating in that. Yeah, they'll die a lot, but that is part of the game. Trying to pretend otherwise will just have them quit when their shinies get blown up when they've moved to a proper player corp.

20-40 frigates fitted for PvP can be VERY dangerous (and cost effective). Heck, I participated in a small rookieship fleet that almost took down a battleship (escaped though the stargate at 35%-ish hull, lucky SoB).


Eve Uni member here, chiming in with my perspective on the wardecs :)

The wardecs we get regularly are usually very 1-sided battles. Allthough there are sometimes potential for some combat what usually happens is that our Wartarget docks up after a day or two and doesn't field anything after that. Personally, I find these faildecs somewhat boring because I am expecting people to show up to fight, but strangely enough this works out well for me as a result of social mechanics and our war rules.

Wardecs put uni people a bit more on edge than usual, so more of them are wanting to see some blood.

The result of a no-show Wartarget is that we usually have more fleets and more uni players going out to get pvp from players who aren't afraid to meet us.

As far as learning about wardecs go, the rules on wardecs are usually gone through on a daily basis on Mumble (what does it cost, what does it mean - ie. the mechanics themselves). Which is why you won't find many classes on wardecs (we simply get them so often that its not really nessisary to teach it after 3 months).

As for avoiding it, I've not personally found it nessisary to leave the uni during wars since I still learn during wartime. I may not be allowed to lolpve in my shiny BS, but thats not the point of being in the uni either.

Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice.

Puk Gaai
Posted - 2011.08.30 14:54:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Puk Gaai on 30/08/2011 14:54:22
so this thread is about a wild dream rather than anything of real substance?

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 14:57:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 15:04:42

Originally by: Malcom Vincent
Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice.

Err. What's wrong with losing ships again? And what's wrong with flying through Rancer? I'm not a pu55y. Which is what the Uni teaches most students. How to be a pu55y.

The Rancer loss. That was my first loss there in that ship in about 10 trips through Rancer. I had 40M in cargo on the trip to Jita. None on the way back to Hek. When I jumped through, I landed within 2km of a can. Could not cloak. That would have been the same result (death) in any cloakie.

The Lamadent death. I did my P.I. there for quite awhile. One loss in close to 100 hauling runs into there. Hek -> Otou -> Lamadent -> Otou -> Hek. Pretty good record, if you ask me.

Don't assume I don't know what the **** I'm doing with those ships. They serve me well.

If I followed what the Uni taught us, I'd never have any fun. Rancer is a blast. Too bad you're missing out. But you know, carebear it up in highsec. That's what they're teaching you, after all.

PS Did Azmodeus give you permission to post in this thread? You may be in some trouble, young man. She doesn't like Unistas posting in these sorts of threads. Draws attention to the Uni. Wardecs and all.

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:02:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 15:09:40
@ Malcolm

i hope you got permission to post on here bud, otherwise you may get the same treatment as Poetic. Namely a kick from the Uni, a lot of carebears disliking you and a ban from the Uni forums.

Then again you may actually play Eve Online.

@ Poetic

It seems you are a bit (understatement) butthurt over the n00b training corp. Instead of posting chinese whispers and trying to generate attention, I encourage you to write another topic regarding the Eve Uni problems that you clearly have taken great offence to.

Most of us know what the uni truely is ... being a corp that teaches new players the basics of Eve Online, run by carebears who never left the Eve Uni ways and imposing a long list of beurecracy onto its members to help strengthen the feeling of self importance and worth to the staff in the corp. Didn't anyone tell you that they WIN at EVE?

Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:03:00 - [102]
 

Poetic your strange obsession with Eve University is starting to get creepy.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:04:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Goddess Ishtar
Poetic your strange obsession with Eve University is starting to get creepy.

What obsession? It's the same thread. :)

Every Uni post I made previously, I was in the damned Uni. I've posted once about the Uni since I've been out.

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:20:00 - [104]
 

With the large numbers of players like Poetic who are dissatisfied with what Eve Uni does, is it any wonder why the n00b corp seems to be wardecced by 1 man corporations every other week?

So much so that the n00b corp needs to make at least 2 alt 1 man corps to self war dec themselves in order to "protect" themselves (i.e. making it more expensive to be declared war upon). Instead they still get fail decced and additionally have to pay isk to cover the subscriptions of alt corps and to cover the self war dec fees. The Uni Dec Shield clearly works well ...

And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...

Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:23:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum

And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...

Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE.


Did you even read the thread?

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:30:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
@ Poetic

It seems you are a bit (understatement) butthurt over the n00b training corp. Instead of posting chinese whispers and trying to generate attention, I encourage you to write another topic regarding the Eve Uni problems that you clearly have taken great offence to.

Not so much butthurt over getting the boot (that's fine, I got my graduate medal, and that's all I wanted) ... more butthurt over the fact that none of them can accept any sort of valid criticism of their rules, and they see it as a direct attack on their institution.

If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat.

But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky. Laughing

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:32:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: dum dumdum

And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...


Did you even read the thread?
Did you?

Kelduum said he sent off a list of fixes to the wardec mechanics. Basically to make it more difficult (or much more expensive) for the Uni to be wardecced. That part of this thread in incontrovertible.

And he did also suggest that the Uni be added to the CONCORD alliance/faction. (I blew that out of proportion for my own purposes ... but he did suggest that to CCP.)

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:33:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: dum dumdum

And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...

Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE.


Did you even read the thread?


Yes i did. Lemme summarise it for you ...

TLDR -

I have outgrown the Uni. I realise that some people in the Uni staff are power tripping carebears. I tried to address this and got kicked. I am butthurt over it and have started a thread which main purpose is to troll the Uni by trying to pass off something i heard from someone who heard it themselves, as something sensationalising and plausible. I also wanted to generate some publicity for myself and my blog.

The same power hungry carebears reacted as expected and posted to defend their E-Honour and to try and pass off the Uni Corp as something other than a carebear corp that goes to great lengths to try and avoid war decs and PvP. I succeeded in "exposing" the Uni. I succeeded in trolling because some people actually think CCP is going to make Eve Uni into a unwardeccable NPC corp.

-

Did i miss anything out?

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:36:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Malcom Vincent
Eve Uni member here, chiming in with my perspective on the wardecs :)

I hope you asked permission to post? I wouldn't want you to post opinions that are your own. God forbid it!

Why ... yes ... I ... I can feel it! I have a sudden urge to wardec E-Uni! Because of your post! Mwuhhahahahahaaaa /emote gets dragged away.

ANYWAY.

Quote:
Its to learn stuff like why not to fly an empty Iteron III solo into Rancer during european primetime and thinking that you can survive just because you fit an Improved Cloaking Device II, and least of all - doing something like that twice.


So you've been in E-Uni nearly 9months ... and you don't recognise a MWD-trick fit?

Pro-teaching, guys.

So I looked this up on your Wiki, and found this. No wonder you're clueless. The article is written from the POV of a clueless carebear (derogatory comments), is riddled with errors, and lacks all the pertinent information. Such as, how to fit an Iteron (or any hauler) to do it.... as it does not work with the 1mn that you'd normally fit.

Nor does it work without the Improved Cloaking device .. which this article fails to mention ... and you end up insulting her for.

For an example of how the Uni points out incorrect or incomplete information, and proliferates it to the detriment of all, I couldn't have asked for a better example to illustrate my point.

So thanks.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:43:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: dum dumdum

And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...

Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE.


Did you even read the thread?


Yes i did. Lemme summarise it for you ...

TLDR -

[snip]

Did i miss anything out?


Apart from the bit where Keld asking CCP for NPC corp-like protection being a totally made up "fact", no.

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:48:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: dum dumdum
@ Poetic

It seems you are a bit (understatement) butthurt over the n00b training corp. Instead of posting chinese whispers and trying to generate attention, I encourage you to write another topic regarding the Eve Uni problems that you clearly have taken great offence to.

Not so much butthurt over getting the boot (that's fine, I got my graduate medal, and that's all I wanted) ... more butthurt over the fact that none of them can accept any sort of valid criticism of their rules, and they see it as a direct attack on their institution.

If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat.

But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky. Laughing


A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni. It really doesnt and i have recruited for some medium sized corps in the past and we have never given any preference to players with the carebear medal. All it shows is that they stayed in a n00b corp for 3+ months and have learned something about Eve. From personal experience uni graduates have been amazingly good or incredibly terrible. Whaat they all were is quite carebearly and almost like a role playing person. They always ask permission to do almost everything. "can i undock", "can i fit my ship like this", "can i come on this fleet", "how do i X up for a fleet". They usually need a degree of hand holding to start. Im not suprised given how the uni "trains" them. Apparently graduates can get a medal without even doing any form of PvP which given that Eve is a PvP game entrely, is hilariously laughable.


B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing. Yes any organised corp can easily crush the Uni in the way you have described. However though, who really cares ...

Most of these uni fleets fly only t1 ships (usually frigs and cruisers) fitted with mostly non t2 modules. Most of the fleet are n00bs who will fly straight towards you to try and tackle. Most of the FCs are doing it for the first few times (veteran FCs dont stay in the Uni long of course, the Uni isnt known for its PvP prowess, Admiral Silentn00b being a prime example of this). So tearing apart a uni fleet in normal circumstances isnt a hard task. Glancing on their killboard a fleet of 20+ took over 14 losses to a single tengu (even losing a curse) with the tengu getting away. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Beating a bunch of n00bs isnt hard or satisfying. Keeping them wardecced is boring anyway. They self war dec themselves anyway ...

Any organisation with the ability to crush the Uni dont care to do so because it is not a real accomplishment. With that effort they can establish themselves in lowsec / nullsec and enjoy "better" pvp than killing carebears roleplaying PvPers.

Most people just ignore the n00b corp for what they are and play EvE and let the Uni play Carebears Online. I feel that you should do the same.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:51:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 16:07:19
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game.

To the LEAD FARMER. What would be Kelduum's rationale for suggesting E-UNI be added to the CONCORD faction? You wardec the alliance a corp is in (not just the corp). If a player-run corp belongs to an NPC faction/alliance, it would be unwardeccable. I didn't make it up, dude. He suggested it to CCP. (They probably ignored it.) I simply trolled on that one issue alone. Does not invalidate that it was an idea he came up with and sent along to CCP.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:01:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
Admiral Silentn00b

Funny Silentb00b story.

Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him.

In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded.

This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU.

Good times.

The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:04:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Some time ago I did make a list of ways to improve our teaching facilities ... and amongst them was adding E-UNI to the Concord NPC faction in game.

To the LEAD FARMER. What would be Kelduum's rationale for suggesting E-UNI be added to the CONCORD faction?


How the bloody hell should I know?

If he *was* angling for wardec immunity by it, then I'd be as ****ed as the next guy. However, I don't have all the facts infront of me; unlike some people, it would seem, I know better to make baseless assumptions based on a snippet of forum ****.

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:05:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
Most of these uni fleets fly only t1 ships (usually frigs and cruisers) fitted with mostly non t2 modules. Most of the fleet are n00bs who will fly straight towards you to try and tackle. Most of the FCs are doing it for the first few times (veteran FCs dont stay in the Uni long of course, the Uni isnt known for its PvP prowess, Admiral Silentn00b being a prime example of this). So tearing apart a uni fleet in normal circumstances isnt a hard task. Glancing on their killboard a fleet of 20+ took over 14 losses to a single tengu (even losing a curse) with the tengu getting away. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Yeah ... and no.

The failure in a fleet like this, is that the Uni members have NO IDEA on the role their ship is meant to perform in a fleet or gang. All they learn is "More numbers, more DPS, more ECM" ... it's pretty much their mantra. So, naturally, a kiting Tengu is going to tear them apart, as they are not taught anything other than orbit at 500, F1. The curse wasn't even fitted with neuts. The. Curse. Had. No. Neuts. THE CURSE HAD NO NEUTS!!

There was a curse, and it did not have neuts fitted. If there's ever an example of people not being taught / not learning a ships role, it is a curse without energy neutralizers.

One last time .. the best neut ship in the game ... had none fitted. T1 autocannons were where they should have been.

I could laugh, but it's just sad.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:05:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni
I wanted it for myself. I did spend three months putting up with their rules. I deserve my medal.

Quote:
B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing.

Point would not be the quality PvP (thus the monetary enticement for folks to kill them.) Point would be to use the WSOP as a weapon against the Uni. They'd either adapt and change or die. Six months under full WSOP, they'd be left with only a few hundred members at that point. Anyhow, more of a thought exercise on how to give them a clean slate from which to work.

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:11:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:24:08
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:13:05
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: dum dumdum
Admiral Silentn00b

Funny Silentb00b story.

Two weeks ago, he brings out his first fleet in months. To Russian sov space. He's carrying an SBU unit with him.

In the sov system, he places the SBU unit and anchors it. Apparently, after anchoring an SBU, you have to wait some period of time before you can online it. Everyone is sitting around chatting. Waiting. The time approaches when it can be onlined. Suddenly a Cheetah from U.K.R.A.I.N.E. uncloaks next to the SBU and he onlines it. Cheetah gets away. Everyone sits around dumbfounded.

This is the killmail of the Uni destroying its own SBU.

Good times.

The Uni now teaches a Sovereignty 101 class.


You do know that this fleet was in response to this EN24 Troll

The Rear Admiral wanted to disprove his pvp impotency by leading a great fleet to do a nice POS Bash. Last minute n00bing around lead him to realise that shooting a POS which actually has some defence may lead to actually risking your ship in pvp. Deterred by this revalation, Silentn00b instead decided to do what you have described.

Thats the way to show leadership and prowess in PvP. Get embarassed in front of a fleet of over 100, twice in the same night, because you are in reality a closet carebear. Its a good thing he is online online once every other week or fortnight, allows him to ignore the shame.

In Silentn00bs own words "Who am I? I'm a Miner, Industrialist, Mission Runner, T2 Producer who enjoys the finer things in EVE Online. You know, killing pirates and slaughtering poor helpless war targets while lapping up the tears of griefers" "In EVE Online, I am Silentbrick. Fleet Admiral and Military Director of Eve University and the Ivy League Alliance.".

I bolded the important parts, please ignore the rest as roleplaying.

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:22:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Khanh'rhh
Originally by: dum dumdum
Most of these uni fleets fly only t1 ships (usually frigs and cruisers) fitted with mostly non t2 modules. Most of the fleet are n00bs who will fly straight towards you to try and tackle. Most of the FCs are doing it for the first few times (veteran FCs dont stay in the Uni long of course, the Uni isnt known for its PvP prowess, Admiral Silentn00b being a prime example of this). So tearing apart a uni fleet in normal circumstances isnt a hard task. Glancing on their killboard a fleet of 20+ took over 14 losses to a single tengu (even losing a curse) with the tengu getting away. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Yeah ... and no.

The failure in a fleet like this, is that the Uni members have NO IDEA on the role their ship is meant to perform in a fleet or gang. All they learn is "More numbers, more DPS, more ECM" ... it's pretty much their mantra. So, naturally, a kiting Tengu is going to tear them apart, as they are not taught anything other than orbit at 500, F1. The curse wasn't even fitted with neuts. The. Curse. Had. No. Neuts. THE CURSE HAD NO NEUTS!!

There was a curse, and it did not have neuts fitted. If there's ever an example of people not being taught / not learning a ships role, it is a curse without energy neutralizers.

One last time .. the best neut ship in the game ... had none fitted. T1 autocannons were where they should have been.

I could laugh, but it's just sad.


Well to give some insight here, its not exactly the pilots fault. They simply arent taught how to pvp. As previously stated again and again the ILN (ivy league navy) is a joke. Most PvP capable pilots leave the Uni asap because of this. This leaves little in the way of capable pilots to pass on their experience and teach.

From one uni graduate in my corp atm, his first hand experience of Uni fleets is basically "we have lots of ships that are cheap and throwaway so if we lose them, we dont lose much isk in terms of efficiency. The Uni tactics involve tackling them, blobbing them, ECMing them and dpsing them down".

With this being the ILN way of PvP is there any room for suprise when the Uni fleets spectacularily fail.

It does seem odd that losing a terribad fitted curse to a single tengu is OK with the Uni however scouting in a Cov Ops (which is almost impossible to lose barring extreme pilot stupidity or extreme unluckiness) is a NO NO NO.

I also assume that the pilots on that fleet have no idea about how tengus are fitted for non carebear activities. I also wager that they would not understand why that tengu probably had a 100MN fitted.

Its sad indeed if you believe the Uni Words that they are the "Best Training corp for Eve Pilots". Then again we all know they teach carebear and little else so its nothing suprising here.

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:27:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 16:33:46
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: dum dumdum
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: dum dumdum

And thinking themselves important enough to ask CCP for "special privileges" to protect themselves from war decs ...

Yep. Eve Uni clearly WINs at EVE.


Did you even read the thread?


Yes i did. Lemme summarise it for you ...

TLDR -

[snip]

Did i miss anything out?


Apart from the bit where Keld asking CCP for NPC corp-like protection being a totally made up "fact", no.


The same power hungry carebears reacted as expected and posted to defend their E-Honour and to try and pass off the Uni Corp as something other than a carebear corp that goes to great lengths to try and avoid war decs and PvP.

I am suprised. I thought you would leap to the defence of the Uni staff whose Ehonor and Epeen i have tarnished. But instead you seem to agree. Laughing


Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: dum dumdum
A) Please dont be under the impression that the graduate medal means much outside of the Uni
I wanted it for myself. I did spend three months putting up with their rules. I deserve my medal.

Quote:
B) Thank you for point out that the Uni is an easy target for griefing.

Point would not be the quality PvP (thus the monetary enticement for folks to kill them.) Point would be to use the WSOP as a weapon against the Uni. They'd either adapt and change or die. Six months under full WSOP, they'd be left with only a few hundred members at that point. Anyhow, more of a thought exercise on how to give them a clean slate from which to work.


A) Fair enough.

B) The WSOP has always been a weapon against the Uni. Thats why most of the bearbears leave every wardec. The ones who stay fly fail fleets (1%) and station spin (99%). True a prolonged wardec of months may make things worse. However the carebear corp will think of ways to avoid this. Perhaps Making another alliance and corp (Ivy League Mk II & Eve University Mk II) and basically jumping corps during each war dec. I dont put anything past these power tripping carebears anymore. Not since they waste isk making accounts to self war dec themselves in a vain effort to stop the wardecs.

Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:37:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
What obsession?

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
If I had 50B ISK, I'd drive E-UNI into the ground (they'd either adapt or wither away.) First use 10-15B to implement a 6-month continuous wardec on them. Second, invite anyone to come and go from the corp as they please to attack and kill Unistas. Third, to entice people to kill Unistas, offer 5M if they are on a Unista killed-mail while under the corp banner (per killmail as well, so if you participate in killing 10 Unistas in one day, you'd earn 50M ISK.) Since the Uni would not be able to keep track of wartargets (they come and go daily), they'd have to remain under full lockdown. They'd still have fleets going out and worth killing. And tracking their fleets is super-easy. Create an account on their forums using an alt. Log onto their Mumble server. Check the fleet channels for the FCs/WCs, run locator agents on them, you now know pretty much where they'er roaming. The Uni rarely operates more than 25 jumps out of Aldrat.

But I don't have 50B ISK, so they should consider themselves lucky. Laughing


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