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Dabsy uk
Gallente
Starduck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.21 19:57:00 - [1]
 

Well not necessarily solo, me and a couple of friends want to try out pvp for the first time. You know jump in to a low-ish sec area and have a laugh.
Well recently i got my frigate skill to lv5 and got myself a ishkur to run missions etc, but i was wondering what the ideal frigate for pvp would be? i don't have hybrid weapons to rank 5 (rank4) yet, not before 2 days pass, so after 2 days that will help me out a lot i think.
My drones skills are pretty high, so i think i will mainly do dmg with the drones at this point, which is why i chose the ishkur to begin with. But im not too sure, im still kinda noobish but i would like to try out pvp anyway ^^
Cheers for any information and a good setup would be a big ++

<3

Uppsy Daisy
Caldari
Deteis Industries
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:06:00 - [2]
 

[Ishkur]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

Valkyriane
Pirate Retirement Home
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:20:00 - [3]
 

Hello and welcome to the real EvE!

I would like to suggest you and your frieds fit ~10 T1 frigates instead of T2 ones. You will lose ships when you start PvPing in EvE. After you get more practice and get hang of the basic game mechanics, tactics and usual ship fittings your targets use, what to engage and what to avoid etc. Move to T2 ships or cruisers... In my oppinion frigate pvp is the most fun way to PvP in EvE.

If you have friends, you guys could set a trap on a belt with heavy tank frigate, you could add ECM or other ways of EW to your group etc. No need for expensive ships at start. Most of all, have fun and always think about lessons learned after fight. In EvE pvp, knowledge is power, knowledge about fittings, different ships, weapons, speeds, countering enemy tactics etc. Read read read and practice.

Valkyriane
Pirate Retirement Home
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:41:00 - [4]
 

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TheOrangeGuy/Beginners_Guide_to_Piracy_2.1.pdf

This is a guide, that my old corporation CEO wrote, it is more than worth of reading for new pvpers.

Dabsy uk
Gallente
Starduck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:28:00 - [5]
 

Thank you all for the detail and helpful responses!
I will be sure to check out the guide right away, which i am at the moment :)
Quick question though, what t1 gallante frigate would be best to use at this current point?

Shartifartblast
Minmatar
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.21 23:03:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Shartifartblast on 21/08/2011 23:04:15
edit: for clarity.

Ishkurs are great solo ships and all but you will have a harder time getting an engagement in one than you would in an incursus or similar.

I'd go as far as to say 2x incursus was more inviting (to someone like me) than a single ishkur.

Having said that, for gallente frigs versus other frigs, kiting rail fits are among the best options you have, ambit null falloff fits can also be good, especially on the incursus what with its bonus.

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.08.22 11:57:00 - [7]
 

Incursus because rails go kersplat!!!

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:47:00 - [8]
 

Lots of good advice in here, so let me add to some of it.

Getting fights in an ishkur is going to be harder than you would like. The ships are generally slow, but they are frig killing beasts. BEFORE you take it out for pvp you should have T2 guns and T2 drones. If you go out with less you are going to be very sad. AF's need to be fully T2 fit to fly properly, so don't rush into PvP in THAT ship.

The advice on going into T1 frigs is a great piece of advice. It hurts less when you die, and you will die. The kiting incursus is one of your best bets for going solo. However, it is my experience that new players have a hard time kiting correctly. When/if you fight in these bad boys, make sure you are paying attention to how you are either losing point on your opponents or how they are catching you.

Another option is to go with the Tristan. It is a pretty pimp ship, but it has terrible speed/agility issues.

There are lots of tricks involved with frig pvp, the biggest of which is knowing what opponent has on their ship before you engage them. For frigates (who are solo) you can look forward to seeing many of the same fits and primarily two ships, the rifter and the merlin. Their are variations, and that will make you rethink how you have to fight them, but in general these are the ships you should be prepared to encounter.

Another guide you should read would be Wensley's Solo Rifter Guide (google it). Read about the mechanics involved with pvp, like falloff, tracking etc.. Pick on at a time per fight and begin to fuse your knowledge of the mechanics with the adreniline rush of pvp. Just reading it (or any guide) will only get you so far. You need to be comfortable enough with what is going on to know how to adapt in a fight, and in a frig fight you only have a few seconds usually to change your tactics.

The last thing I can suggest to you is getting intimate with your d-scan. In low sec pvp it is the single most valuable tool at your disposal. Learn how to use it proper.

GL out there. If you ever want to spar against a certain frig type, either use your corp mates to practice, or give me a ring if your near the Devoid region ;)

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dabsy uk

My drones skills are pretty high, so i think i will mainly do dmg with the drones at this point


Nobody else seems to have picked up on this much. Relying on drones for the majority of dps in a (solo) frigate fight will result in you losing pretty much all the time. In frigate fights its all about optimising your own dps/mitigating the opponents. Sounds trite but what it boils down to is that turrets give you instant dps, drones and missiles don't - even when everyone is in optimal range. Even Warrior 2 drones will have to pulse their mwd to keep in range of an ABing frigate and while they do that they aren't putting dps on the target.

Most frigate fights are over inside 30 seconds - even if you're very fast to react to aggression, for maybe 5-10 of those seconds the drones won't be putting any dps on. You NEED decent turret skills for frigate PvP.

tl;dr don't rely on drones for they are untrustworthy little gits Laughing

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.08.24 12:33:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Lots of good advice in here, so let me add to some of it.

Getting fights in an ishkur is going to be harder than you would like. The ships are generally slow, but they are frig killing beasts. BEFORE you take it out for pvp you should have T2 guns and T2 drones. If you go out with less you are going to be very sad. AF's need to be fully T2 fit to fly properly, so don't rush into PvP in THAT ship.

The advice on going into T1 frigs is a great piece of advice. It hurts less when you die, and you will die. The kiting incursus is one of your best bets for going solo. However, it is my experience that new players have a hard time kiting correctly. When/if you fight in these bad boys, make sure you are paying attention to how you are either losing point on your opponents or how they are catching you.

Another option is to go with the Tristan. It is a pretty pimp ship, but it has terrible speed/agility issues.

There are lots of tricks involved with frig pvp, the biggest of which is knowing what opponent has on their ship before you engage them. For frigates (who are solo) you can look forward to seeing many of the same fits and primarily two ships, the rifter and the merlin. Their are variations, and that will make you rethink how you have to fight them, but in general these are the ships you should be prepared to encounter.

Another guide you should read would be Wensley's Solo Rifter Guide (google it). Read about the mechanics involved with pvp, like falloff, tracking etc.. Pick on at a time per fight and begin to fuse your knowledge of the mechanics with the adreniline rush of pvp. Just reading it (or any guide) will only get you so far. You need to be comfortable enough with what is going on to know how to adapt in a fight, and in a frig fight you only have a few seconds usually to change your tactics.

The last thing I can suggest to you is getting intimate with your d-scan. In low sec pvp it is the single most valuable tool at your disposal. Learn how to use it proper.

GL out there. If you ever want to spar against a certain frig type, either use your corp mates to practice, or give me a ring if your near the Devoid region ;)


Let me echo everything here, with added emphasis on being very, very careful with kiting/rail fits. Landing a scram on an AF's big fat ass is a lot easier than most believe. Read both Wensley's Rifter Drifter guide and Skira Ranos' Beginner's Guide to Piracy twice, and commit what it says to memory, as Karl said, paying particular attention to the d-scan information!

Asking Karl for help would be high on my list of priorities, since he offered. Can hit me up too, if you want a second perspective. Not enough people trying to have big fun in little ships in EVE... want more please.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.24 16:20:00 - [11]
 

Just another quick tip. The caldari ships are usually shield tanked and gallente and amarr are usually armor tanked. So if you see a ship on scan you can switch to the relevant ammo before the fight starts.

I never switch ammo during a fight. Although if have a long fight and actually run out of ammo right before you do run out (one round still in) you can switch and it won't waste any time.

Rifter can be either but I think most rifters are going with the armor tank. If its shield tanked and you are losing you may be able to overheat your web and ab and gtfo.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.24 16:35:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cearain
Just another quick tip. The caldari ships are usually shield tanked and gallente and amarr are usually armor tanked. So if you see a ship on scan you can switch to the relevant ammo before the fight starts.

I never switch ammo during a fight. Although if have a long fight and actually run out of ammo right before you do run out (one round still in) you can switch and it won't waste any time.

Rifter can be either but I think most rifters are going with the armor tank. If its shield tanked and you are losing you may be able to overheat your web and ab and gtfo.


This info will only apply if the op is planning to fly a tristan with rockets. Hybrids only have kin/therm ammo damage types. changing ammo only changes range and tracking.

on second thought this does matter ever so slightly with drone selection.

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.08.24 21:37:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Cearain
If its shield tanked and you are losing you may be able to overheat your web and ab and gtfo.


Umm, yeah, you definately will be able to; the Rifter is not this super awesome super speedy pseudo-Dramiel some people make it out to be :(


 

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