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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.01 18:32:00 - [1]
 

It appears that my drones have joined some interstellar union and are now refusing to do anything but watch when a rat takes chunks out of my ship.

Even in passive mode shouldn't they actually do something when attacked? Having said that, I don't know which mode they are in as they do nothing most of the time and I can't work out which of the Aggressive/Passive buttons are on or off.

Something has gone really wrong with these drones of late. I may invest in five garbage pods; they're cheaper and just as good.

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.01 18:42:00 - [2]
 

Passive, no. In passive mode, they simply sit there and wait until you give them a command. Upon executing that command, they return to orbit your ship and await their next command.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:08:00 - [3]
 

Thanks, so how do I get them to be in Aggressive Mode and keep them there?

More to the point, is the button 'on' when it's white or black?

Yours looking for a new ship...

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:23:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Hwong Jian on 01/08/2011 19:23:21
I'm not sure which button you're talking about.

However, when you right click on the Drones in Space dropdown, there should be an option for either Settings or Drone Behavior. In that sub-menu, you should be able to choose between Passive and Aggressive.

And, just a few quick notes on what Aggressive means:

- The drones will engage until destroyed anything that attacks you AFTER you launch them.
- The drones will respond to Attack Commands as normal.
- The drones will attack all hostile targets that are attacking you, once they have been engaged in combat.
- While there is an option to Focus Fire, on occassion, your drones will split between two targets.

Your drones WILL NOT attack ships that "red boxed" you before your drones were launched. If all targets have you red boxed before you launch your drones, you will still need to target a ship and command your drones to engage.

Again, though, any ship that red boxes you while the drones are circling you will cause your speedy little friends to zip out and start shooting away at that ship.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:50:00 - [5]
 


An addendum:

Drones are like children - they do not listen.

Drones will attack whatever threat they deem to be the biggest threat to them at the time, individually - regardless of "focus fire" settings. Often they will pay you lip-service if you give them a command, and briefly appear to engage the target you instruct them to, then return to whatever target they'd already chosen.

Most times this happens because a drone itself got shot, and whatever shot it probably jumped very high on that particular drone's threat list. Your commands, and thus the threat of disobeying them, is NOT high on their threat list.

To combat this tendency for the AI to think it knows better than you (I think Microsoft programmed the drones AI) - SPAM your hotkey assigned for "drones engage target" repeatedly until the damn things do what they're told.

Honest, you have to spam it - 2-3 times really and truly is not enough on some occasions. Drones will still tell you to take a flying leap and go do their own thing.

SPAM that hotkey.

One day, CCP may fix this - probably the same day they fix the CTRL-key.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:50:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 01/08/2011 19:53:24
Thanks, I guess that when I had to sort out a Real World medical issue my little friends decided to slip back into Passive Mode.

I wish that when once set that the setting would stay set.

Thanks for that explanation. I am going to have a look at seeing what fits I can have to replace what I have lost. I may even take a few days break whilst I get Mining V completed so that I can have a better boat.

edit. But I wish that setting would 'stick'. I can't see any reason as to why it would sometimes move to the Passive setting.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 01/08/2011 19:53:24
Thanks, I guess that when I had to sort out a Real World medical issue my little friends decided to slip back into Passive Mode.

I wish that when once set that the setting would stay set.

Thanks for that explanation. I am going to have a look at seeing what fits I can have to replace what I have lost. I may even take a few days break whilst I get Mining V completed so that I can have a better boat.

edit. But I wish that setting would 'stick'. I can't see any reason as to why it would sometimes move to the Passive setting.


I've not had any trouble with the Aggressive mode sticking once you set them to aggressive in the right-click drone settings menu.

I always leave my drones on aggressive. If I want passive drones, I recall them to the drone bay. :)

Also, don't forget to train the various drone skills. Particularly get to the drone interfacing skill and get it going. Very few skills can boast a 20% boost per level of the skill like that one.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:27:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Vincent Athena on 01/08/2011 20:27:05
Agressive mode does stick. To figure out what the button looks like when "on" click back and forth between the two options a few times until you see the difference.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:45:00 - [9]
 

The drones are buggered atm. Part of them randomly return to orbit ship after target has been destroyed and they have been assigned to another target.

You can notice this behauviour best with the mining drones, but combat drones do the same stuff.

There is topic about that here. No blue replies yet. This is rather new bug... Not sure which patch caused it tho.

Ava n'Daara
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:49:00 - [10]
 

The problem with drones, as far as I can tell from the outside, is the presence of race conditions.

I'll give you an example, and you can find the rest similarly yourself:
1) You have 5 (passive or active, focused or otherwise - doesn't matter) drones attacking a battleship.
2) The battleship dies from the first three in the 'group'.
3) Half the drones go idle immediately, the rest set themselves to idle in a few seconds.
4) You see the battleship die and quickly tell the 5 drones to attack a cruiser (before the rest of the drones go idle).
5) The five drones attack the cruiser - verify by hovering over the drone icon on your target.
6) The drones that set themselves to idle disengage from the cruiser and become idle like clockwork.

This behaviour is even more pronounced when melting frigates with T2 Sentries. There are often three or more drones affected by their own idle timers. It's bloody awful and needs to get fixed.

And 'Focus Fire' would be nice if it actually worked but, unfortunately, I suspect it's this same sort of race condition that is pulling them away into multiple groups (say, by setting a timer to attack a target prior to focus fire code telling them all to attack a certain target, and then the timer condition taking effect so they switch).

There is no excuse for a drone to retain any sort of action list after I tell it to attack a certain target. And no excuse for a drone to retain any sort of priority target after being told to focus on a given target.

GRR! ugh

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:58:00 - [11]
 

Again, thanks. So it's not me finding things strange of late.

I've been away from the k/b and New Eden for a week or two on my Second Happiest Day of My Life (TM)* when things would work with the drones. If I were busy working I would just sit there with my cargo hold full knowing that if the rats turned up the drones would eat them all up.

Then the next thing that I would know is that the skies would be littered with white triangles and more bounty in the kitty. All well and good. Sometime over the past few weeks I find that things drone just don't work any more.

As for the overview deciding to forget its settings; that's strange to see in a belt just after shutdown has been restored to find no rocks. Oh no, it's the settings deciding to reset themselves.

Something is going on here.




(* The First HDomL was annulled earlier this year)

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.08.01 21:03:00 - [12]
 

Drone work just fine....

if you are at the keyboard.

Mr Epeen Cool


Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.01 21:31:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 01/08/2011 21:31:43
Also confirming that drones are a stupid bunch that tend to attack targets they're not as well suited to shoot at, so putting them in aggressive mode is sometimes annoying.

For example, there are 2 battleships, 20 frigates in a mission. I field light scout drones in aggressive mode after I've aggro'd everything. I tell drones to attack one frigate. They kill the frigate. They then decide to attack the battleship while another frigate is warp scramming me. Annoying...

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.02 01:34:00 - [14]
 

could we get blue reply somewhere that this issue is noted and in list of stuff to be fixed.

Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.02 01:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
It appears that my drones have joined some interstellar union and are now refusing to do anything but watch when a rat takes chunks out of my ship.

Even in passive mode shouldn't they actually do something when attacked? Having said that, I don't know which mode they are in as they do nothing most of the time and I can't work out which of the Aggressive/Passive buttons are on or off.

Something has gone really wrong with these drones of late. I may invest in five garbage pods; they're cheaper and just as good.


I suggest making a key bind for drone attack. Mine is ctrl+shift+a

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.08.02 11:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Acac Sunflyier

I suggest making a key bind for drone attack. Mine is ctrl+shift+a


... and spam it several times.

Drones will disregard your given commands and go after their own target quite often. You have to keep reminding them who is in charge.

Damn kids.

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:03:00 - [17]
 

Ah the good old spamming the engage key. Yup, drones are a PITA when it comes to actually following orders.


 

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