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Topic |
yarm88
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:43:00 - [ 1]
Any idea? |
RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.31 22:43:00 - [ 2]
Not the NeX, the lie. |
Red Maiden
Gallente
Aliastra |
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:45:00 - [ 3]
A player's natural inclination is to complain and create drama. Especially here on the forums. I must say though, it's entertaining to sit back and watch the tears flow. |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation |
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:51:00 - [ 4]
I agree with the poster above me in that it's natural for players, especially those who use the forums, to get into the spirits of complaint and drama. Don't believe me? Read crime and punishment or COAD.
That said, the other issue for a few fundamentalist is the incorporation of more accessible RMT, which they feel unnecessarily saps players (especially stupid ones) of their hard-earned cash. This wouldn't be so much of an issue, though, if that money were obviously going back into making the game better, but due to the half-hearted implementation of the lastest few expansions, it's more and more obvious that we're not seeing the bulk of our cash coming back to us.
Finally, there are those who are attempting to be preemptive, seeing that this is merely the rumble in the ground before the real rocks start coming down the mountainside. The current clothing items are seen, and possibly are, the start of a tougher path where players can spend their (or their parents) hard earned cash to by superior ships, ammo and modules, and thus will have better equipment then their 'I have a real life and can't spend countless hours grinding or my already short amount of cash' counterparts.
All three can be argued, but it still comes down to a matter of opinion. |
Pok Nibin
Amarr |
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:55:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Pok Nibin on 31/07/2011 22:56:00 Originally by: Red Maiden
A player's natural inclination is to complain and create drama. Especially here on the forums. I must say though, it's entertaining to sit back and watch the tears flow.
These sorts of posts I find particularly interesting. The sort of ego that fashions such text is grist for the post-grad psych research grant. More prevalent as the the years grind on, one thing can be said about it. It must be HUGE!! |
Ayieka
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:55:00 - [ 6]
ive never seen a game open an MT store and have it welcomed with open arms. take the mannconomy update for tf2, people were pretty ****ed. and now look at it, it makes tons of money and tf2 is more popular than ever. |
Serene Repose
Caldari
Perkone |
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:59:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Serene Repose on 31/07/2011 22:59:55
I don't hate anything. Hating some digital thing...virtually hating virtual reality...is a step into psychosis I can easily pass up.
I became a cereal killer when a box of Cheerios kept staring at me from atop the fridge. When the taunting began, I'd had enough. Do you have any idea how long it takes to chop a box of Cheerios in half? No no. Not just the box itself. You have to chop each individual Cheerio or they'll form themselves into a larger group and start the taunting again!
After that experience, I decided it was preferable to remain Serene. Thanks for the interest though. It game me the chance to share!
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Max Keitt Keitt
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.07.31 23:00:00 - [ 8]
Only reason I keep remembering it exists is because people keep posting about it. When I'm playing, it's as if it's not even there. |
Mucous |
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:17:00 - [ 9]
Because the Nex shop is a slippery slope to game company that doesn't care about the game. |
Bklyn 1 |
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:18:00 - [ 10]
Because it is historically the death knell of mmo's. |
Cooper Anderson Stewart
Caldari
Casalt Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.31 23:32:00 - [ 11]
Being lied to that they weren't going to do MT. Then the CEO blatantly laughing at the playerbase saying we are exhibiting 'very predictable feedback'
then the pricing, even those of us who bought items for ISK like I did, people are still having something they didn't ask for, being forced on them because drunk devs who are trying to one up each other because it's cool or funny to dress up their characters like in their DOTA games.
People who invested thousands of hours and dollars are ****ed.
Show me a player who has been playing for more than 6 months who is happy about it and I'll show you 100 who aren't and guess what? CCP isn't listening and is even ramping up the marketing and trying the HARD SELL to get this to work, as incarna represents 5 years of time and dev investment.
Then after the uproar dies down and we were told by the CSM and CCP that they are working on pricing and rolling out more items, the prices are a LAUGHING STOCK compared to any other game in the industry.
Microtransaction items are usualling a few bucks and game companies have high volume and repeat buyers.
Do you think a monacle buyer is going to buy one for all of his accounts? or maybe just one?
Would that same player buy a $2 ship logo for all his ships? Think about it. |
Baralosus
Crimson Empire. |
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:43:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: yarm88
Any idea?
That coat and monocle looks pretty spiffy on you. Fly safe now...  |
Nia Roche
Caldari
DaVinci Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.31 23:44:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: yarm88
Any idea?
It's gay |
NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.31 23:44:00 - [ 14]
Because online gamers have an insatiable appetite for discontent. Give them free in-game currency to buy fun in-game stuff and watch them rage. |
Nite Piper |
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:51:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Nite Piper on 31/07/2011 23:55:25
I think it's too much to say that most people hate it.
It's just the usual internet rage and exaggeration.
Now mind you, people like to get new content in their games.
Here's four reasons from that vantage point which makes people ****ed off.
1. They didn't get any new content that means anything.
2. There's new content in the game but not for them. They're excluded.
3. Even if there was anything for them, they realize it would be crazy spend so much RL money on something so useless, so they're still left out.
4. People can well imagine it could be so much different and better. So much more to their taste and with prices so they could participate. They see the content they could have had. So they're angry at CCP for being so f*** stupid, and then express that in the usual internet forum hysteria.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.01 00:01:00 - [ 16]
It's funny, you know, because I have no moral objection to cash shop games. I just don't like them.
I used to love LOTRO. Soon as it had a cash shop, poof! My interest in it totally evaporated.
Something about the intrusion of the real world into a virtual world just rubs me up the wrong way.
When I log into EVE and see the NeX store, I just get a deflated feeling, it's like EVE has been tainted with something. I wouldn't say greed - I don't mind CCP making as much money as they like. Profit is a great thing.
It's rather more a question of principle, of art for art's sake. I'd rather the very first principle was making a great game (and especially in EVE's case, a great sandbox and a virtual world), and the second principle profit, rather than the other way round.
Since CCP's focus is now obviously primarily on monetizing EVE rather than making it the great sandbox we all hope(d) it would be, it just makes me a sad bunny.
Actually I know what would make me happier - if the cash shop were totally OUTSIDE THE GAME. I know the argument is about convenience, but if cash shops were just outside the game, just on the website, I'd be totally happy about that, and would happily buy.
It's them being in your face, intruding into the illusion of the game world, that I hate. |
Crucifer Arnolles
The Dream is Dead |
Posted - 2011.08.01 00:04:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Something about the intrusion of the real world into a virtual world just rubs me up the wrong way.
^^ This |
Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.01 00:07:00 - [ 18]
when i started playing eve, i did so to fly spaceships
not play space barbie, i have nothing against people who are willing to buy the rubbish (each to their own) there are far better barbie games out there which would cost them less money
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Nite Piper |
Posted - 2011.08.01 00:14:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
...Since CCP's focus is now obviously primarily on monetizing EVE rather than making it the great sandbox we all hope(d) it would be, it just makes me a sad bunny.
Actually I know what would make me happier - if the cash shop were totally OUTSIDE THE GAME. I know the argument is about convenience, but if cash shops were just outside the game, just on the website, I'd be totally happy about that, and would happily buy.
It's them being in your face, intruding into the illusion of the game world, that I hate.
Umm, I dunno. Having it inside the game works fine from an immersion point of view. I don't really follow your logic there. I'd just have to assume it's something personal. Developing great games and monetizing walks hand in hand. They can't do anything without funding. It seems to be a deeply rooted thing in many gamers, - that they should have everything for free. And that they start to be angry as soon as money is involved and rage about "greed", "bloodsuckers", "moneygrabbers" etc. I'm not saying you're like that. Only making the comment here since it seems in context. |
Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.01 00:20:00 - [ 20]
because it is a "lily of the field" in the worst way...
if this is too much for the limited mentality - rephrased:
It takes resources and delivers nothing of use... on whatever leve you cut it, it wastes our payments to CCP that should go for real content and useful things.
1. Payroll = cash flow
2. Dev = payroll
3. Dev for Nex = Not a dev for EVE proper
4. Teams = excuse to not hire in a position a useful dev and instead pay one to do thes useless stuff for months and years... it is a month to feed that the company had to pay for... yet it doesn't deliver anything... like a 30 year old living in your basement.
5. because things that are not needed are getting resouces while things that do are not.
6... I could keep going on but what is the point... it isn't going to change that the path is set, like it or no, it's not going to change a damn thing.
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Cors
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance |
Posted - 2011.08.01 00:29:00 - [ 21]
Because most of us who play eve ALREADY pay more, per person, to CCP then most MMO's get from their clients.
Example.
When I played City of Hero's, I had 2 accounts. Each account allowed for something like 12 char's. That's 24 char's, per account(Which was upped when they released City of Villians)
With EVE, we only get 3 char's per account, and only one can advance at a time(I know the reasoning for the only one training at a time, and I understand it).
I have FIVE accounts. That's 14.99 x 5 = $74.95 per month of MY money going to CCP.
That should be enough for CCP from me. I pay them enough. Hell, I even went to Fanfest, which was a boost to CCP's pockets, to CCP's Store's pockets, to Icelands pockets.
I've probobly spent more since Jan 1st this year on CCP, and CCP releated items, then I've EVER paid to ALL the other MMO's I've played over the years.
I've been paying this much for almost 6 years now.
That's 74.95x12x6=$5394.40 PLUS what I spent at this fanfest, and will spend at the next.
Enough is enough.
I won't Spend a SINGLE PENNY on the NEX store. And if it ever becomes mandatory, then I'll just leave. I'm not one for drama, but I've been milked by CCP enough. We may be a herd of Milk Cows in CCP's pastures, but even WE can rebel, and run away. |
Erim Solfara
Amarr
inFluX. |
Posted - 2011.08.01 00:34:00 - [ 22]
Because I still see it as an insult to a paying subscriber (what's left of my sub anyway). It's a harbinger of money-grabbing the likes of which EVE has never sunk to before, and it sits ill at ease with the game I used to love to play.
CCP want the ultimate 'sci-fi simulator', they're going about it the wrong way entirely. |
Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.01 01:06:00 - [ 23]
This game used to be classy and the lore and universe felt hewn-from-stone. The developers used to have pride in their universe and it's depiction.
Having a clothes shop for no reason other than to grab money highlights the direction CCP are intent on taking development and cheapens the experience.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.01 01:36:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 01/08/2011 01:39:45 Originally by: Nite Piper
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
...Since CCP's focus is now obviously primarily on monetizing EVE rather than making it the great sandbox we all hope(d) it would be, it just makes me a sad bunny.
Actually I know what would make me happier - if the cash shop were totally OUTSIDE THE GAME. I know the argument is about convenience, but if cash shops were just outside the game, just on the website, I'd be totally happy about that, and would happily buy.
It's them being in your face, intruding into the illusion of the game world, that I hate.
Umm, I dunno. Having it inside the game works fine from an immersion point of view. I don't really follow your logic there. I'd just have to assume it's something personal.
Maybe, but I've already had one person agreeing with me just on this thread. Remember, to a certain extent, a fair number of people play these kinds of games to get away from the real world. NeX reminds me of CCP when I want to be in New Eden. There's no entity called "CCP" in New Eden. Previously, the only time I was aware of CCP when playing the game was downtime warning messages, now the cash shop is just there, like a fat toad, every time I log on, reminding me that I'm just playing a game. But I don't want to be just playing a game, I want to be in New Eden!!! (I exaggerate of course, just to get the point across, but it's something in this area. These games balance out gameyness with simulation and with virtual worldiness; EVE was weighted quite heavily towards sim and virtual world, if it's to become mere game, like any other cash shop MMO, then in my view it's been cheapened.) Quote:
Developing great games and monetizing walks hand in hand. They can't do anything without funding.
The latter is true, the former not so much. Many feel that a subscription is quite sufficient monetization. I wouldn't say I necessarily agree with that - I don't have any objection to F2P or P2W - it's just that EVE wasn't originally designed that way. If it's becoming a different game, fine; it's just that's not the type of game I signed on for initially. I signed onto a virtual world, a sandbox, not a low-bar-entry PvP arena with some barely-adequate PvE thrown in. Quote:
It seems to be a deeply rooted thing in many gamers, - that they should have everything for free. And that they start to be angry as soon as money is involved and rage about "greed", "bloodsuckers", "moneygrabbers" etc. I'm not saying you're like that. Only making the comment here since it seems in context.
May I remind you that we do pay a subscription - and one of the more expensive subscription MMOs on the market, at that. And those who do play for free have put in the time to do so, so they can buy PLEX with their isk. So it's hardly about "getting something for nothing". |
NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.01 01:42:00 - [ 25]
You guys are all insane. The NeX store somehow detracts from the game? There is no mention at all of cost in dollars (Aurum is an in-game currency). Since Aurum can be acquired entirely using in-game methods with PLEX, there is no encroachment of the real world into the game's.
As for the people upset that CCP is looking to make a profit on a game it made in order to make a profit, well, reread this sentence. |
Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.01 01:48:00 - [ 26]
They are looking to beta test elements they wish to include in future games to the detriment of the Eve universe and development of the core game. |
Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated |
Posted - 2011.08.01 02:21:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams
You guys are all insane. The NeX store somehow detracts from the game? There is no mention at all of cost in dollars (Aurum is an in-game currency). Since Aurum can be acquired entirely using in-game methods with PLEX, there is no encroachment of the real world into the game's.
As for the people upset that CCP is looking to make a profit on a game it made in order to make a profit, well, reread this sentence.
Insane? Read this, then tell me we're insane. There is a certain mind-set in Iceland that almost defies description. And most people aren't upset with the NEX (Navy Exchange?  ) but rather the attitude that goes with it, and the continuous communication failures /faux pas that started with (in my short experience) "18 Months" and culminating in all the broken bits and pieces of Incarna.. I mean, launch the dam walking bits, when they're ready ffs...  |
NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.01 02:29:00 - [ 28]
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Dr Cron
Northern Lights Number 5
Hydroponic Zone |
Posted - 2011.08.01 02:33:00 - [ 29]
Remember that old spaceship game called "Eve"? That was pretty fun. |
Zleon Leigh |
Posted - 2011.08.01 02:37:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: yarm88
Any idea?
Bad idea and waste of resources still remains a bad idea and waste of resources. |
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