Posted - 2011.07.20 17:27:00 - [62]

 

I would hope anybody that is going to comment in the thread would listen to it first. :/ But I guess I'm delusional. ;)

And yes, as the above poster said, "It simply brain storming right now."

Posted - 2011.07.20 19:01:00 - [64]

 

New sin with changed roll from black ops to heavy bomber:

gallente bs ship bonus:
10% bonus to citadel torpedo explosion velocity and flight time per level
20% bonus to citadel torpedo velocity per level

Heavy bomber ship bonus:
5% bonus to heavy bomb thermal damage per level
15% bonus to citadel torpedo thermal damage per level

Role Bonus:
-99.65% reduction in citadel torpedo Launcher powergrid needs
Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators and heavy bomb launchers

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tech II Myrm

bc ship bonus:
10% to drone damage/hp per lev
7.5% to armor rep amount per lev

BO ship bonus:
5% bonus to agility per lev
98-99% reduction in covert ops cloaking device cpu need per level

Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators and covert jump portal generators. can fit covert ops cloak. No targeting delay after decloaking

Posted - 2011.07.20 19:17:00 - [66]

 

new panther as a heavy bomber:

minmatar bs ship bonus:
10% bonus to citadel torpedo explosion velocity and flight time per level
20% bonus to citadel torpedo velocity per level

heavy bomber sihp bonus:
5% bonus to heavy bomb explosive damage per level
15% bonus to citadel Torpedo explosive damage per level

Role Bonus:
-99.65% reduction in citadel torpedo Launcher powergrid needs

Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators and bomb launchers

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new BO CANE!
5% increase in projectile weapons damage and Rate of Fire per level

BO ship bonus:
5% to velocity per level
98-99% reduction in cpu need for covert ops cloak

Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators and covert jump portal generators. Can fit covert ops cloak. No targeting delay after decloaking

Posted - 2011.07.20 19:22:00 - [68]

 

It would be great to see a module disallowing Cyno Generators on grid. This module will stop Hot Dropping maneuvers when deployed.

Of course that module should stop the BO from moving or cloaking.

Posted - 2011.07.20 19:49:00 - [70]

 

new Redeemer role as a heavy bomber:

Ammar bs ship bonus:
10% bonus to citadel torpedo explosion velocity and flight time per level
20% bonus to citadel torpedo velocity per level

heavy Bomber ship bonus:
5% bonus to Heavy bomb EM damage
15% bonus to Citadel Torpedo EM damage per level

Role Bonus:
-99.65% reduction in citadel torpedo Launcher powergrid needs

Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators and heavy bomb launchers

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New tech II harbinger as BO

BC ship bonus:
10% reduction in laser capacitor need and 5% bonus to laser damage per level.

BO ship bonus:
7.5% to medium laser tracking per level
98-99% reduction in CPU usage for covert ops cloaking device

Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators and covert jump portal generators. Can fit covert ops cloak. No targeting delay after decloaking

Posted - 2011.07.20 19:51:00 - [72]

 

You prefer T2 BCs you say…

…well, then you know what time it is:

Roden Myrmidon Time!!
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:02:00 - [74]

 

Originally by: Tippia

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You prefer T2 BCs you say…

…well, then you know what time it is:

Roden Myrmidon Time!!
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i love the look of the ship but the fittings make my intaki heart cringe

Posted - 2011.07.20 23:32:00 - [76]

 

Black-Ops do need a buff, but potentially changing their role to a super-capital killer is not it.

It's been said in many other threads about them; Increase jump/bridge range, raise resists slightly, add more scan resolution, and reduce fuel consumption for bridging. Do those things and most of us Black-Ops pilots will be happy.

Posted - 2011.07.20 23:37:00 - [78]

 

Originally by: baltec1

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Originally by: Ehdward

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Edited by: Ehdward on 20/07/2011 22:57:04
Edited by: Ehdward on 20/07/2011 22:53:04
Heavy Bomber is kind of a terrible name, IMO. How about Titan Hunter or something of that sort?

Personally, I'd like to see them as a new subclass to Black Ops or Marauders, using the tier 3 hulls. Tech II Rokh ftw.

And what about instead of capital weapons, giving them a huge damage bonus along with an even huger tracking/sig res or explosion radius/velocity penalty, possibly using a mini-siege mode module? Obviously, it would need to have a drawback other than complete immobility, because that would A) make it redundant with regular siege, and B) make them squishier to caps.

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How about turning the rokh into a massive mass driver which needs to aim the whole ship at the target thus making the gun useless vs sub caps and not that great at killing carriers and dreads. The amarr can have an abaddon with a beam weapon, gal get a railgun of doom in the hyperion and matar get a maelstrom with an oversized artillery gun.

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Yes, EVE needs Yamato Cannon.

Posted - 2011.07.20 23:46:00 - [80]

 

Hmm you say training BO to lvl 5 wasn't a complete waste of skillpoints ? http://eveboard.com/pilot/iudex

The carebear within me rather preferred a role for BOs, that caters to carebearism though, such as an unprobable BO as the replacement of the unprobable Tengu. But any avail is better than none

Posted - 2011.07.21 04:44:00 - [82]

 

Edited by: Ehdward on 21/07/2011 04:46:24

Originally by: Taipion

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Edited by: Taipion on 21/07/2011 04:00:58
Edited by: Taipion on 21/07/2011 03:59:40

Originally by: Haulie Berry

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Edited by: Haulie Berry on 20/07/2011 16:31:35

Originally by: Taipion

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Edited by: Taipion on 20/07/2011 11:23:39
The whole idea of BlackOps as counter to SCs has one simple flaw, no matter how you do it.

- BlackOps are ****ty expensive for a SubCap.

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This could be a problem.

Quote:

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- BlackOps get pwned by other SubCaps.

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Not this, though. In fact, that would sort of be the whole goddamn point. Everything has a counter.

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Not exactly, tell me, how would you like to use BOs as a counter for that SC fleet thats just chewing through your fleet, when you have to take down the whole enemy SubCap fleet first?
As they are now, a few SubCaps make quick work of any BO, and they are too expensive to waste them like that.

If the enemy is nullifying your standard-Caps with SCs, and even if your SubCap fleet is bigger than theirs, having to take out the whole enemy SubCap fleet first, to be able to safely deploy your BOs is not an option.

edit 1+2:

And in response to the other post, yes, EVE need Yamato Cannons!



Again, why not (as I allready made up in an earlier post) BOOST Dreads, so they can eventually do what they were made for?!

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Either way, it forces them to bring subcaps, it forces tactical decisions other than blobbing, and it forces more things to be happening at one time, which also fights lazy blobbing.

And if they are able to perform their function, losing blops in exchange for titan kills will still work out in your favor in the isk war.

Posted - 2011.07.21 06:02:00 - [84]

 

I had an idea a few years ago (before i started playing eve, but have been closely following it since beta), if a BS had a type of 'siege module' on it, it could lock all guns forward, and when you fired, it fired both racks of guns straight forward. So pointing your ship to the enemy ship before firing would be a must. Result? 2x or 3x the damage of a normal volley.

Just a side note or two in regards to Blops with citadels; launcher turrets are getting revamped very soon too, so it would be pretty weird to see such huge launchers on a small BS.

And in any case, they would still be very vulnerable to fighters, unless they majorly revamp the dessy.

In that case, fitting better/bigger guns to a small ship is just weird to me.

Posted - 2011.07.21 06:11:00 - [86]

 

Originally by: Culmen

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In order for the Black Ops to be a counter to SCs you'll need to solve several issues
1) The new addition must be extremely effective against SCs
2) The new addition must be less effective against Dreads
3) The new addition must be ineffective against anchorable objects
4) The new addition must be less effective against sub-caps

1) is obvious
For 2) Simply put dreads have very little role left in eve, adding another predator is not going to help things
3) similarly you wouldn't want the Black ops to take over the role of capitals, just counter them.
4) Remember, you do not want Black Ops to be the new solo pwn mobile.

solving 3 can be handled by using tracking, but that will do little to help a stationary sieged dread from survival.

An option is to directly target the weapons of an SC.
So have an Ewar module that shuts down doomsday weapons and fighter bombers.

Another option is to have a mini dooms day that only affects super caps.
RP wise say it plays off the SC's intinsic e-war immunity.

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1. but in which way? killing the fighters/bombers with super-bombs?
(but giving BOs the ability to nuke fighters/bombers like a pre-nerv-DD, would render SCs completely useless...)
2. see 1.
3. is not necessary
4. As there is usually a SubCap fleet with each SC blob, making BO even weaker against SubCaps will prevent them doing their job against SCs.

There are many things that could be done with BOs, and they need some tweaking for sure, but making anti-SCs off them, would be like building a gun into a knife, so it does better in gunfights...

In general, the more you think about this, the more you realize, dread should have been THE counter to SCs and any caps from the start!

BOOST Dreads!

Posted - 2011.07.21 07:02:00 - [88]

 

Edited by: Taipion on 21/07/2011 07:06:07

Originally by: Headerman

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I think boosting dreads would be a mistake... the gap between carrier to dread to SC is simple too big. a Carrier hull costs about 800 mil? a dread 1.5 bil, and a SC about 16 bil.

Surely there is room between a dread and a SC for a new ship isn't there?

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New ship would mean somewhere in 2014...

Look, what do they have?

Carrier:
- roughly 1000 dps and a whole lot of support in classic fleet setup
- up to 1875 dps when all out dmg, like some do for PvE
- or no dmg and insane support with triage, and well, a short life expectation in any fleet fight^^
- can be fittet to reach 3m+ EHP with fleet/command-ship bonus and no expensive stuff, AND still do its job
- can take on targets of any size, as you have everything from small drones to fighters

Dread:
- some up to 7k dps without stupidly expensive stuff (fit your dread cheap, so insurance pretty much covers it)
- very dead very fast in fleet fights
- stuck where they are for 10 minutes each siege cycle
- only around 1,6m EHP without sacrifice (not DD proof)
- only usefull againt structures and caps/SCs

SuperCarrier
- see carrier, multiply dmg by about x10, and EHP by x50, and add immune to all forms of...

Titan
- the most expensive buildable ship by far
- bridge
- DD
- EHP ~ SuperCarriers
- dmg some 15k up to 25k if you really need it
- super fleet bonus

As you see, all have their roles, just dreads can´t do theirs well.

=> Thereby I conclude:

Dreads are much less usefull than carriers, yet cost x1,5 times as much.
Dreads are no use against things other than structures/caps, so there is no problem in boosting them.
Dreads are stuck where they are in siege, this adds risk in using them, unlike carriers/SCs.

=> And changes like this would actually be good:

- more, MUCH more EHP for dreads would be good, and necessary (some 5m EHP would be fine)
- maybe give them big SBs to counter fighter/bomber :-) (seriously, need some gadget against that)
- maybe a bit more dmg (should be a bit higher, so so can´t just repp-away a dreads dmg with a carrier)

Then all those caps would fill there role much better, and dreads would have a role to start with.
Carriers are for Support, SuperCarriers are expensive pwnmobiles, Titians are Titans,
and Dreads would be cost effective against other caps and other caps only.

Posted - 2011.07.21 07:23:00 - [90]

 

Well, another option would be to remove the no-RR from a dreads Siege, actually, that would do really well.