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Uriel Orestes |
Posted - 2011.07.08 16:53:00 - [ 61]
 Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 08/07/2011 16:50:46
Originally by: Archaic Flame
Tinfoil hat time! Yay.
Yes, because anytime the media bullhorns public policy that directly contradicts facts it's a keen indicator of independence. And God knows they do it quite often. As a sane and good citizen we're supposed to conveniently ignore those happenstances as if everything is for our own good.
Examples? Or is this just your own practice at fear mongering? |
Mr Kidd |
Posted - 2011.07.08 16:53:00 - [ 62]
Originally by: Draconyx
Originally by: Dustin Roac
BUT what was not done was research projects to find new ways to getting large payloads to space.
Instead everything was focused on visible results, and if a project failed it was labeled a waste of money.
Failed projects are not wastes of money (within reason you have to have a purpose behind the project).
That is why they are called research.
When people try things out of the box sometimes you get an interesting result and sometimes not.
What I expect is the government (I am paying them and I am not alone) to fund these projects so that when the time comes to build that ship we have something more to go on then using the kerosine burning engines from the Saturn V.
Don't forget the Orion program which was supposed to replace the shuttle's heavy lift capability and ultimately serve as a platform for manned space flight beyond the moon.
It had a successful test flight, even though it was canceled a week before that flight. |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:54:00 - [ 63]
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Draconyx
Edited by: Draconyx on 08/07/2011 14:55:09
Sad really.
NASA gets less then 1% of the US budget.
And people want to kill it entirely which will do nothing for the budget.
NASA is one of the few organizations that is investing in the future and not looking @ making a profit.
Somewhere there was a quote saying that it costs every US tax payer 5 cents a year to run it.
In that case I have a Dollar here where do I send it ?
There is no need for space exploration other than scientific curiosity. There is no viable competitor like during the cold war years (yes, the soviets had their own shuttle version which never took off).
I'll bet though that if oil where discovered on the moon, we would have the equivalent of -Millenium Falcon- technology by now just to get to it.
Necessity breeds innovation.
There are many needs for space exploration: 1) The Earth will only be able to support life for a finite amount of time 2) The Earth will only be able to support CIVILIZED life for a far shorter amount of time (for example, we are set to extinguish the last of the Earth's helium in a decade or two.) 3) So long as we are stuck on the Earth, our species could disappear at anytime due to circumstances of potentially apocalyptic significance beyond our control. Basically, if we don't get off of this rock, our civilization will perish. |
Uuali |
Posted - 2011.07.08 16:55:00 - [ 64]
Come on y'all! Help the NASA program.
Let's do Plex for NASA Aid! |
Mr Kidd |
Posted - 2011.07.08 16:57:00 - [ 65]
Originally by: Uriel Orestes
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 08/07/2011 16:50:46
Originally by: Archaic Flame
Tinfoil hat time! Yay.
Yes, because anytime the media bullhorns public policy that directly contradicts facts it's a keen indicator of independence. And God knows they do it quite often. As a sane and good citizen we're supposed to conveniently ignore those happenstances as if everything is for our own good.
Examples? Or is this just your own practice at fear mongering?
NASA Gulf oil spill Iraq Afghanistan NAFTA The recession You'll have to excuse me if I don't bring you up to speed on the facts as they stand compared to the factoids spouted by mainstream media. I'll leave that up to you. |
panterus29
Gallente
Blame The Bunny
The Dark Nation |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:01:00 - [ 66]
http://www.nasa.gov/about/whats_next.html  |
Uriel Orestes |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:04:00 - [ 67]
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden. |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:21:00 - [ 68]
Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence
Originally by: Abrazzar
If there were any need to specify the point when the US started to fall, this would be it.
Reminds me of the day they sold Branson concorde.
Remembering things that never happened? Not a good sign. |
Mr Kidd |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:30:00 - [ 69]
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 08/07/2011 17:31:15 Originally by: Uriel Orestes
I'm not the one making chicken little statements. The burden of proof is always on the fool spouting off.
An internet spaceship forum is no place to have any sort of intelligent conversation about any of these large topics. Unfortunately for you, they can't just be summed up by one liners and turns of phrase. Which begs the question, why bring it up here?
Obviously you can't even understand the context that the statement was made. No point in attempting to discuss anything with you. Ultimately, the effort would summate to sending a man to the moon. Now, one is well worth such efforts. The other is just a waste of time. Besides, you're not actually here to discuss anything. |
Draconyx |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:49:00 - [ 70]
Edited by: Draconyx on 08/07/2011 17:54:34 Originally by: Mr Kidd
It's also the end of the US's premier heavy lift program as well. Orion, the next generation heavy lift vehicle, was canceled a week before it's first and last test flight which by all accounts was a resounding success. This is indeed a sad, sad day even if many people don't realize it.
I really can't comment on the Orion Project. Not when a US company like SPACEX shows up and shows NASA how it should have been done. Something good did come out of outsourcing launch systems, it still doesn't get NASA out of there lack of vision. Not saying that the politicians didn't play a huge role hampering NASA ability to do its job. Lockheed, Boeing and all the big companies out there really need to hold there heads down in shame. They are an example of what happens when a company gets to large, wasting money and lack of vision trying to keep stock holders happy. SPACEX did it right and hopefully we will see more from them in the future. |
pr0spect |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:52:00 - [ 71]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 08/07/2011 17:31:15
Originally by: Uriel Orestes
I'm not the one making chicken little statements. The burden of proof is always on the fool spouting off.
An internet spaceship forum is no place to have any sort of intelligent conversation about any of these large topics. Unfortunately for you, they can't just be summed up by one liners and turns of phrase. Which begs the question, why bring it up here?
Obviously you can't even understand the context that the statement was made. No point in attempting to discuss anything with you. Ultimately, the effort would summate to sending a man to the moon. Now, one is well worth such efforts. The other is just a waste of time.
Besides, you're not actually here to discuss anything.
u mad bro? |
Sarmatiko |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:56:00 - [ 72]
Edited by: Sarmatiko on 08/07/2011 17:58:15Bearded aliens with some weird religion should find oil on the Moon. US will bring freedom to them in one year (along with spacemarines and democraticaly elected alien warlord), because aliens of the moon deserve real democracy and corrupt free democratic oil contracts  |
DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:57:00 - [ 73]
The government is ruining my chance at playing Eve RealLife :<
Remember back when they told you you could be anything when you grow up? Even an astronaut? |
Mr Jebidea |
Posted - 2011.07.08 18:06:00 - [ 74]
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Joccob |
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:25:00 - [ 75]
It was deeply saddening watching the final launch of the shuttle knowing that it marks the end of the US space program as we know it. It appears that this country's priorities have moved far and away from being the leader in engineering and technology. Consider some simple facts that I calculated while I watched the final launch today:
Cost of Iraq War = $ 786 Billion
We could've funded 4 space shuttle programs for this (total cost of the Space Shuttle Program = $196 Billion)
We could of funded 8 missions a year for the next 200 years ($450 million a launch)
We could of bought another 524 Hubble space telescopes ($1.5B at time of launch)
Or, bought 115 new Webb space telescopes ($6.8B). But of course the appropriations committee voted yesterday to cancel the program due to the budget being 4 times over estimates. Then again the Iraq war has cost us 14 times what the Bush administration originally estimated ($60B)
Just saying...
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Mr Kidd |
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:10:00 - [ 76]
Originally by: Draconyx
Edited by: Draconyx on 08/07/2011 17:54:34
Originally by: Mr Kidd
It's also the end of the US's premier heavy lift program as well. Orion, the next generation heavy lift vehicle, was canceled a week before it's first and last test flight which by all accounts was a resounding success. This is indeed a sad, sad day even if many people don't realize it.
I really can't comment on the Orion Project.
Not when a US company like SPACEX shows up and shows NASA how it should have been done.
Something good did come out of outsourcing launch systems, it still doesn't get NASA out of there lack of vision.
Not saying that the politicians didn't play a huge role hampering NASA ability to do its job.
Lockheed, Boeing and all the big companies out there really need to hold there heads down in shame.
They are an example of what happens when a company gets to large, wasting money and lack of vision trying to keep stock holders happy.
SPACEX did it right and hopefully we will see more from them in the future.
NASA's lack of vision is purely political, unfortunately. Being jockeyed back and forth between space station, moon and mars, having successful R&D canceled at the moment of realization and yearly budget cuts is why NASA lacks vision. Not like you can plan a visionary exploration mission spanning a decade when you don't have the funding this year that you had last year. As for SpaceX, their heavy lift capabilities are impressive. But, it's only an animation. And I'd like to point out, NASA is showing them how it's done. Of course it's cheaper. SpaceX didn't have to spend the last 50 years pioneering the technologies. NASA did. |
Jackson Millenius |
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:12:00 - [ 77]
Originally by: Teala Te'Jir
Edited by: Teala Te''Jir on 08/07/2011 14:26:59
The last space shuttle launch is about to occur. They are at t-minus 20 minutes before the space shuttle Atlantis makes her last flight. :(
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
Good Riddance. Thank you President Nixon for stalling Space exploration for 30 years. |
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