Posted - 2011.07.05 18:07:00 - [61]

 

Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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The email in question says basically these two things.

1: CCP will pay attention to what the overall player base does with the new content.

2: CCP will pay little attention to what the small percentage of forum *****s have to say about the new content.

If you are offended, we know which camp you belong in.

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Correction:
1) they will pay attention to what a small percentage of players do.

2) they will ignore what all the players say, on the forums, through petitions, ingame chat channels.

They don't care about our opinions anymore. Only the actions that benefit them.

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People that file petitions for game bugs are "doing" something, which gets noticed.

People wailing on the forums are doing just that.

You do realize that the forum community is likely less than 2% of the player base right?

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Actually anyone who files a petition for a bug gets told to file a bug report. A bug report is generally not an opinion.

And people wailing on the forums are "doing" somethign too.

They are ignoring all opinions. Not just those posted on the forums but those spoken in help chat and those sent through petitions.

Posted - 2011.07.05 18:50:00 - [63]

 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 05/07/2011 18:53:07

I had to activate my "hours for plex" to answer to this lol. Such stupidity should not go unpunished.

Originally by: Ranger 1

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People that file petitions for game bugs are "doing" something, which gets noticed.

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No..this is an easy way to keep problems under control and not have them seen public. Bugs that are reported on sisi always make it into the game anyways. A complete waste of time.

Originally by: Ranger 1

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You do realize that the forum community is likely less than 2% of the player base right?

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And now for the best part...

Sure..CCP calls the csm in and goes through all that stress for two% (which you pulled out of your ass) of the player base.Would have been easier to ban that 2% don't you think? What was being said on the forum reflected on what was going on in the game and the canceling of subs. The forum rage was loud and clear and they had to and did react. Sure many addicts jumped right back in but a lot of people quit. I know..this did not pay off for them and I'm glad that many quit over it as such greed should not be promoted.

The 2% may work on other game stats but eve is a niche game where most of the players think alike. What the "vocal minority" says..is what the silent majority thinks. With the exception of the **** faced fanbois/trolls. The people that dislike microtransactions in other games..quit and find a place in eve. This is no longer the case and like a dog being pushed into a corner..they came back ready to fight. Should they go through with the mt thing anyways..they will lose.

Not only that but look at the state of the game and they are breaking their minds on how to pull more money? Don't make me laugh thats just pathetic. The monocles being sold are a one time buy..after that they will need more items which will be developed at the cost of needed fixes to this broken junked up game. By the time the fanbois realise this it will be too late and they will have developed wod and that dust crap and will no longer need eve's cashcows. Let's see how much content you get then fanbois.

Think of me then..while your sitting there with you sore ass with ccp's name stamped on it. I will be playing a game that doesn't rip off their customers and actually develops content that adds fun..and not 1000$ jeans for a spaceship mmo.

Posted - 2011.07.05 19:11:00 - [65]

 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/07/2011 19:15:29

Originally by: Blane Xero

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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I'm not going to get into an argument with the semantics behind the NeX store (because trust me, i'm tired of making my point there).

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I personally agree that vanity items fall into the category of "content".

Where I disagree is with your insinuation that you must pay additional money to get those items.

Any vanity items released will be freely available to purchase with ISK, just like any other item in game. Your subscription fee does not mean you will be given ANYTHING from the market as part of that fee, this includes ships, modules, monocles, whatever.

If I buy a PLEX with cash, it is to redeem for game time or (more likely) to sell for ISK. When that is done, the transaction is over. I could care less what other people will do with the PLEX once I have sold it. I have what I wanted, CCP has what they wanted, the person that purchases it from me will presumably get what they want with it.

When I buy a PLEX for AURUM conversion to spend in the NEX I spend ISK, just like like I do for every other piece of content in the game.

Now you "can" cut to the chase and spend cash for that PLEX with the sole intention of converting it to AURUM and shopping in the NeX, but that is completely optional... not required.

So no, you are not being excluded from any content because you choose not to spend more than your subscription fee.

C'mon, you know this already.

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All I could see from your post was that you failed to read the most important part of it with regards to your own inane babbling about the NeX store. I've left it quoted above your own quote for further reading.

I'll do a short version for you though, a simple question, Can NeX Store items come into the game without consuming a plex?

Now, quit with this "I DON'T CARE WHO BOUGHT THE PLEX FOR MONIES" lark. It's ****ing horse **** on the best of days, and not caring is exactly why to marketing monkeys it's sodding gold and to people who actually give half of a damn about where the game-dev industry is going it's nothing more than the horse **** it is.

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Just stating facts Blane, don't have a coronary.

If I buy the PLEX with ISK, I haven't spent a dime more than my subscription.

The person who bought the PLEX already recieved what they wanted, extra ISK.

The fact that demand for ISK will go up, and that CCP will make more money as a result, does not change the fact that NeX items are available to all for no extra cash spent on those items. Any extra cash spent is spent by players to cash in on the greater demand for PLEX.

Your argument has basic flaws that you refuse to admit... which is fine if thats what makes you feel justified.

As to the rest, roughly 2% active paricipation from your customer base on a game forum is fairly consistant across the gaming industry.

People that file bug reports or ask question in the help channel are not ignored, however you are quite correct that neither of those venues is appropriate for complaining about the game taking a direction you are not happy with.

The forums would normally be the correct venue, unfortuantely any legitimate concerns tend to be drown in a sea of flames and intense trolling. This has the end result of invalidating the forums as a platform for meaningful discourse beteen CCP and the player base. In this matter we have only ourselves to blame.

Posted - 2011.07.05 19:30:00 - [67]

 

Originally by: So'rren

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Originally by: Michelear

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Originally by: Vanilla Reaver

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No mention from CCP in thier statement, and only a brief statement from CSM.
What up CCP?
Or was this whole thing about improving communication a lie? Because a way to do that is to address the problems, not wash them away.
IMHO fire the entire WoD dev team (sorry guys but no-one will play that game now) and spend thier wages hiring an entire FLOTIA of people who PLAY EVE to work for you on the forums as a gateway between your customers and CCP. Don't just have the CSM who you don't really listen to anyway.

And you people who say s**t stirrers should GTFO, how can you stoop so low to accept and not challange goods you pay $1000+ for? (Yes, i have two accounts since 2005, do the math)

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I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.

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CCP alt spotted.

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Parrot spotted.

Posted - 2011.07.05 20:32:00 - [69]

 

The unsubs scared CCP. They were prob in larger numbers then that threadnaught.

SO the people jumping in to re-sub right after CSM meeting actually hurt the cause. They should have stayed un-subbed and said its not good enough.

Instead we got people re-subbing right after and we got nothing and our demands were shat on long run.

The action of those resubbing after a non committle message and a bought off CSM was hurtful to getting our demands met. Good job guys only caring about the short term while letting the long term hang over us like a blade waiting to strike.