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Wilfred Black
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:11:00 - [1]
 

Having realised that exploration in high sec is rather boring and not very rewarding I have decided to give low sec exploration a go. I did my first little foray last night and completed 1 site and netted a few million isk. Not an amazing start but I made it out alive. So I have a few questions about low sec exploration.

1) Everyone recommends fitting a cloaking device, does using my cloak stop people from tracking me down with probes if I am hiding in my 'safe spot'?

2) People also recommend using the directional scanner regularly. What exactly am I looking for here? I am right in thinking that I should be worried about combat scanner probes becasue they can track me down in my safe spot even if I am cloaked (see q1) Or is this only a problem once I have found a site and am uncloaked?

3) Can people use warp disruption bubbles in low sec at a gate? I have been warping to within 100km of the gate to check its safe before warping to 0km and jumping do I need to do this in low sec or is this wasting my time.

4) As I have so little experience of PvP and am not really that interested in it. I would prefer to avoid fights so should I be fitting warp core stabs or anything else to increase my survivability or are these not worth it?

5) At the moment I am doing exploration in my ishkur what level system should I aim for to get complexes of the right sort of level. When I feel a bit more confident about my survival I will use my ishtar but I dont want to risk it at the moment.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:06:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Loraine Gess on 03/07/2011 10:06:15
Originally by: Wilfred Black
Having realised that exploration in high sec is rather boring and not very rewarding I have decided to give low sec exploration a go. I did my first little foray last night and completed 1 site and netted a few million isk. Not an amazing start but I made it out alive. So I have a few questions about low sec exploration.

1) Everyone recommends fitting a cloaking device, does using my cloak stop people from tracking me down with probes if I am hiding in my 'safe spot'?

2) People also recommend using the directional scanner regularly. What exactly am I looking for here? I am right in thinking that I should be worried about combat scanner probes becasue they can track me down in my safe spot even if I am cloaked (see q1) Or is this only a problem once I have found a site and am uncloaked?

3) Can people use warp disruption bubbles in low sec at a gate? I have been warping to within 100km of the gate to check its safe before warping to 0km and jumping do I need to do this in low sec or is this wasting my time.

4) As I have so little experience of PvP and am not really that interested in it. I would prefer to avoid fights so should I be fitting warp core stabs or anything else to increase my survivability or are these not worth it?

5) At the moment I am doing exploration in my ishkur what level system should I aim for to get complexes of the right sort of level. When I feel a bit more confident about my survival I will use my ishtar but I dont want to risk it at the moment.



1) Yes, so long as it's activated.
EDIT: I don't really recommend a cloak though.

2) Yes, look for combat probes. An interesting trick is to scan down sites with regular probes, then check via directional if anyone's in there. So in essence, just be careful of probes!

3) No bubbles in lowsec. You can warp to 0 freely. Familiarize yourself with aggression rules so you don't do something stupid like "avoid" a gatecamp only for them to come through and murder you.

4) No no no no NO
Warp core stabs are for MORONS and COWARDS. Besides, they'll destroy your scan resolution.

5) Any low-sec will spawn any plexes that appear in low-sec. Security status has nothing to do with what spawns (except in sov 0.0 but that's complicated), just security bands (i.e. high/low/null/WH)

Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:39:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Wannabehero on 05/07/2011 18:40:13
Loraine Gess answered well and truly.

I have supplemental points from a regular low-sec explorer's perspective.

a) Cloaks are not essential, but they are very very handy. Aside from hiding out at a safe-spot, which is very convenient, Improved cloaking device II allows one to MWD-cloak. When you carebearing around in low-sec this is a very good thing to be able to do.

b) Try to shake off high-sec mission/exploration mindsets and fitting habits. I run low-sec combat complexes in BC's fit for PVP quite regularly. You do not need cap stability and huge active/passive tanks to run alot of exploration sites, just brains, some planning, and speed/range. This means in the situations where you stumble into a PVP fight, or where you see an opportunity and decide you would enjoy a little tumble with another player, you can hop in and have fun.

c) I detest how Eve gameplay encourages multi-clienting, but I am guilty of it as well. Having two ships to share the burden of scout/scan/hack/salvage really helps a ton. Alternatively, bring a friend and go exploring together.

d) If you have a region you think you will be interested in doing exploration in, go in first with a disposable frigate or a CovOps and make safe-spots and instant undocks ahead of time.

Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:53:00 - [4]
 

Back when I did exploration I found Gonditsa is a good place to do it, it's deserted, 1 jump from high-sec and seems to spawn 6/10's often, and blood raider 6/10's are easy and always drop a-type corpum stuff.

OllieNorth
Gallente
R-K Industries
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:51:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Xiozor
Back when I did exploration I found Gonditsa is a good place to do it, it's deserted, 1 jump from high-sec and seems to spawn 6/10's often, and blood raider 6/10's are easy and always drop a-type corpum stuff.


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Pharos Pharos
Posted - 2011.07.06 01:21:00 - [6]
 

Fit a cloak, it will make your life so much easier.

1. You can use MWD-Cloak to bypass pretty much any gatecamp. Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.

2. You can safe up and afk anytime, especially handy in systems without stations.

If you're using a drone boat, there is no reason not to fit a cloak, so fit that and an mwd and you will be 99% safe as long as you pay attention to dscan to watch for probes.

L'ouris
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:57:00 - [7]
 

Obligatory Disclaimer: still learning myself

No one else mentioned your warp at 0 question in full so thought I'd chime in.

If the system is empty you can feel confident warping directly to the gate in Low sec as there are no bubbles.

However, if the sytem has unknowns in it your probably best to still get out to a tactical on the gate or at least bounce off a random celestial first. You will occasionally run into a battleship at the end of a long gate to gate warp that is just running Smartbombs to pop any smaller ships that get lazy and warp directly gate to gate. DScan can help if the system is small enough, but keep in mind that a Disco BS can be fitted with a cloak and watching his own scan to determine when to decloak and activate Smart Bombs himself.

Teya Ihara
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:35:00 - [8]
 

Alright, a few answers that might help.

1) Cloaking makes you invisible to probes as well, for low sec exploration this would allow you to hide more easily, but you can avoid people relatively well if you like by bouncing between safes and smart use of the d-scanner. Cloaking while probing for sites allows you to relax a bit. Cloaks also make the process of travelling through hostile territory easier by allowing some tricks with warping and using the cloak to prevent being locked.

2) You're looking for indications that someone is looking for you actively, or are close to you. If you see probes on scan, it's time to leave. D-Scan is also used to check gates as you pass through systems. See below.

3) Warp disruption probes, un-scripted HIC bubbles, and anchor-able bubbles are not allowed in Low Sec, however it is still a good idea to check gates before going straight to them if the system is active. If you ever DO go to 0.0, know that warping to 100km on a gate will not save you from a bubble, as they suck you toward them if you warped from a spot inline with the bubble (which you always do if the bubble is *on* a gate). I wont go into specifics of how it works, but bubbles are able to pull people to them, even very far from the gate if setup properly. Warp to a nearby planet and D-Scan the gate to detect any activity. Getting into this habit early helps. Also note a well setup tackler in a proper gang potentially has the ability to warp disrupt you from an extremely long range, upwards of 70Km. Most do not/will not have this capability, but it is always something to keep in mind.

4) No warp core stabs. With an AF your best defense is your speed and getting away as fast as possible. When you jump to an Ishtar, a set of disposable ECM drones might help a bit, but vigilance and caution will keep you safer than EC-300's anyway.

DrDimeBar
House of Negotiable Affection
Posted - 2011.07.07 10:10:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: DrDimeBar on 07/07/2011 10:13:46
i'd reccomend a cloaky recon as lowsec sites are generally not that tough, you dont really need the covert sensor strength boost to find the sites, and it makes bypassing camps as risk free as possible in a ship that can still kill npcs and warp cloaked.

as a p.s. while combat probes should be your main worry, core ones will be able to probe the site you are in rather than yourself, so watch out for those too.

Wilfred Black
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:22:00 - [10]
 

Thanks for all the replies they have been really helpful, I have now successfully completed some ded 4/10s and got some nice deadspace items as well as invention and salvage stuff and have got about 500M of loot so far.

One more question:

I read somewhere that if I am in a complex then I am much hard to track down with combat probes, is this true and if so what counts as a complex? Anything with a acceleration gate? A DED rating?

Thanks.

Darkside007
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:34:00 - [11]
 

The concealment bonus doesn't work. It is just as easy to scan you down in a site as it is to scan you in a belt or at a planet.

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:37:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Wilfred Black
I read somewhere that if I am in a complex then I am much hard to track down with combat probes,


What you read is an obsolete guide, based on pre-apochrypha scan system. Back then it used to be such a bonus. During the overhaul of scan system that came with apochrypha it was decided to remove this bonus since scanning complexes has become very easy.

Kittel
Caldari
Quiet.Storm
Posted - 2011.07.09 06:50:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Wilfred Black


I read somewhere that if I am in a complex then I am much hard to track down with combat probes, is this true and if so what counts as a complex? Anything with a acceleration gate? A DED rating?

Thanks.


At most, the acceleration gates can buy you a little more time, depending on:
1) number of gates
2) distance between warp ins and other acceleration gates
3) distance between final warp in and you and your objective(s)

speed they get through gates to you is dependent on ship and fitting of course. generally, if you are not looking for a fight, you have 30sec to 2min before they get to you from first scan to ship in overview. A good combat scanner will have you on first try and you possibly wont even see the probes (skill is involved).

One thing to keep in mind is that a site will close (disappear) if certain conditions (depends on type) are met and you warp away with no one in site.

Also, sometimes sites are left for others to find, example being someone scanning down the radar and mag sites in a system and waiting for someone to scan and warp to them, they then either warp to site (bookmark) or decloak in site.


 

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