Posted - 2011.07.03 03:59:00 - [812]

 

I would like to thank CCP and the CSM for their efforts.

I know all will not be pleased but to be fair this is far better than the SWG community ever got from SOE in the days after NGE deployment.

We know that there is a press conference on Tuesday where members of the media are invited, and also there is a fansite conference. So if you got questions not answered get in touch with them (eve-radio, massively, eurogamer, PC Gamer etc)

I appreciate the CSM trying to clarify as much as they can.

I've read a promise that we'll see some amazing stuff for space this winter, well it'll be about time its been 2 years since any serious development on the space side of the game. I think this is the area that most needs improvement, folks aren't feeling like they are getting their moneys worth and that was the real cause of the blow ups the last 2 weeks.

Anyway it is good to see many satisfied.

Posted - 2011.07.03 04:00:00 - [814]

 

Seems pretty clear-cut to me. No "gold ammo". Yay!

Posted - 2011.07.03 04:05:00 - [816]

 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Where is Hilmar's committment?

Not worth the paper it's written on I'm sorry to say.

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That's what I was gonna say.

Hilmar apology (or his response of choice for the issue his arrogance caused) or STFU. Seriously.

P2W is already in game in virtually every way. There is no item in-game currently that can't be bought legally and within ToS by converting RL currency to isk. The real story is a CEO calling his meal ticket a bunch of whiners who will eventually bend over and take what ever he gives us.

Waiting for Hilmar official response-somebody page his crystal palace and interrupt the massage we paid for.

Posted - 2011.07.03 04:45:00 - [818]

 

Originally by: Kerrisone

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No, only to a few people like you it is 'sacred' to CCP making more money is sacred, like the Cash Cow Eve is.

I hate to be blunt but it seems like you are getting really worked up to have CCP make up a lie to explain leaving your pod everytime, how about a new technology that removes all 'nasty' aspects of decanting? Or your pod auto ejects from the ship for security/safety reasons and machines remove/dress you which is why you don't notice anything until after you are dressed/out of your pod? All we need now is some CCP employee to write it up in a new chronicle/etc then it will all be okay.

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Let me summarize for you what you actually said:
"I don't care about this, so neither should you."
Shove off. Immersion is important to some of us and Incarna as presented now is immersion breaking, and no, there is no way to justify getting out of your ship just to dock and get ammo unless suddenly the process of getting into a pod AND getting a pod into a ship is suddenly such a trivial task that it makes actually being a capsuleer less impressive and important.

Posted - 2011.07.03 04:50:00 - [820]

 

Originally by: Vandrion

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Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 16:51:51
Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 16:47:38
"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

You said the same thing last year about ALL forms of micro transactions.... What is the expiration date associated with the above statement??

http://i.imgur.com/f5Cq5.jpg


Edit to add the link for the actual forum thread:

Original statement of no MT by CCP

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I noticed that, too. I'd give it around 6-8 months. Guess I need to give my assets to someone (read: a friend, not some random forumite) so they're not wasted when the remainder of my time runs out.

Also, bolded the important part. So you are planning on some "non-game breaking" items, eh, CCP? Considering your utter ineptitude of late, I'm dubious any of them will be implemented in any state other than "game breaking". Well, good luck with that I guess.

Posted - 2011.07.03 05:01:00 - [822]

 

Edited by: Vandrion on 03/07/2011 05:02:24

Originally by: Zakota Vertidei

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Originally by: Vandrion

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Originally by: Taedrin

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Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts

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They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........

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You are taking things out of context. There are no plans for MT in relation to paying for SP.

Stop it. They are doing what they need to do.

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I recommend reading to you....

As I have said once before in this thread-- The posts by CCP Shadow speak of MT as a whole.. If it was only skill points he would have said "No MT for skill points".

I will copy and paste Post #20 in that thread so you can read it again:

"No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility."

Whatsoever.... Skillpoints... 2 totally different words.....

I would like CSM/CCP to explain/define gamebreaking (per CCP statement) and game altering (per CSM statement). I think it is imporatant for all of us to know that the CSM, the players and CCP are all on the same page......

Posted - 2011.07.03 05:06:00 - [824]

 

It's not the AUR, it's not the poor execution of the CQ even though it's the first step, it's the lying, plain and simple. And I will say this, the day that game-usable items get sold at the NeX store, is the day I quit EVE.

For a very good discussion of how and why CCP erred, read this.

We must trust CCP to create a fair, balanced game environment. We must trust that they will not twist the rules of the game for their own ends. We must trust them not to simply turn the player base into a huge cash-cow for CCP. That is why anything that even appears to alter the player base perception of whether CCP has broken that trust is such a big deal. I would strongly advise CCP communicate with the player base clearly, and without any hint of deceit or dissimulation.

Posted - 2011.07.03 05:16:00 - [826]

 

FIX LAG in large unit combat. That is what we should be truly outraged about....

Posted - 2011.07.03 05:27:00 - [828]

 

As I actually READ the Fearless newsletter, and have seen no evidence to support the spin about it being "deliberately controversial", I just don't buy their explanation. Maybe its an Icelandic thing, and I'm suffering from culture shock. But Ockham's razor says otherwise.

I am happy that CCP has apparently changed their minds about introducing performance enhancing goods in the NeX store.

I am disappointed that they did not admit to having plans to do so, but I can understand their reluctance to come clean.

All-in-all I'd call the CSM meeting a success. My faith that CCP won't be ruining the game with microtransactions is restored. My faith in CCP's honesty toward their customers will likely never be 100% again.

Posted - 2011.07.03 05:33:00 - [830]

 

Originally by: Ispia Jaydrath

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Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen

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Originally by: The Mittani

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what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(

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Arrogant and snotty as usual telling people what they should think. Nice of you to call anyone who doesn't think like you do 'the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe'. Do you have any idea how to serve people without insulting those who don't think like you do? Hubris.

Oh sorry forgot, you got to be on video! You rock!

Thanks for your 'sympathy' about Hilmar's email mocking all Eve players. Where was the apology? Where was any word of regret from CCP? Where was your spine?

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I get it, you're being ironic.

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As are you.

Posted - 2011.07.03 05:49:00 - [832]

 

So what I read from this they'll not put in Gold ammo items, however there's no promise of not putting things in that is part of the player driven economy, e.g. regular ships and items. Neither is there anything on why they didn't make the NEX items player made.

Posted - 2011.07.03 06:04:00 - [834]

 

Originally by: The Mittani

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what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(

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I think they communicated pretty clearly that they want more of our money but that they don't want to have to earn it by making the game more enjoyable to play.

They even communicated that they're happy to consider making the game worse in the long-run if it wrings out more cash in the short term.

I don't think the problem was that they didn't communicate this in a sufficiently gentle manner.

Posted - 2011.07.03 06:07:00 - [836]

 

Everyone here is missing the obvious: CCP has just completely brainwashed the CSM into being their mind slaves. Look! You can see it in The Mittani's eyes!! We're doomed!!! lol

Thank you CCP and everyone in the CSM for your hard work. I'm very happy to know our favorite internet spaceship game is not lost to us. This to me is proven in the statement of no gold ammo (vanity items only), and the commitment to work on better communication with the players. These are the biggest concerns I had.

It's not just what you've said, but what you're doing as well.

I'm looking forward to the dev blogs in the coming weeks.

Posted - 2011.07.03 06:10:00 - [838]

 

Originally by: Dalketh

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Originally by: Kiran

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Good job on the statements, I did have my doubts about a Goonswarm CEO being in there. But like the rest of us you have a passion and view on Eve. Thank you.

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And how did the goon CEO redeem himself exactly? By getting no apology for Hilmar's email insulting the entire community?

Or was it the video of him talking talking talking and then practically attaching his mouth to the Dev's crotch towards the end?

Pretty hair though. Glad he had enough time for that.

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And some people will never be pleased no matter what you do. The devil you do the devil you don't. In your eyes the CSM would never of won no matter what the outcome was. They are under a NDA so can't say much, but I ask you this. Do you know what the NDA means?

Posted - 2011.07.03 06:14:00 - [840]

 

Originally by: Kiran

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Originally by: Dalketh

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Originally by: Kiran

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Good job on the statements, I did have my doubts about a Goonswarm CEO being in there. But like the rest of us you have a passion and view on Eve. Thank you.

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And how did the goon CEO redeem himself exactly? By getting no apology for Hilmar's email insulting the entire community?

Or was it the video of him talking talking talking and then practically attaching his mouth to the Dev's crotch towards the end?

Pretty hair though. Glad he had enough time for that.

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And some people will never be pleased no matter what you do. The devil you do the devil you don't. In your eyes the CSM would never of won no matter what the outcome was. They are under a NDA so can't say much, but I ask you this. Do you know what the NDA means?

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YUP - it means powerless and useless except for blindlessly believing on faith. Look how well that has worked out lol. These last weeks taught you nothing apparently.