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Hedoran Jaynara
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:00:00 - [1]
 

Greetings,

I assume many of you guys know a lot more about computers than I do. I'm looking for cheap ways to upgrade my computer with perhaps 1-2 new hardware parts. My current setup is:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3 ghz
RAM: 4 gb (3,19 gb usable)
Graphics card: Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS 512
Harddrive: 500 gb (about one year old, ST3500320AS ATA)

Anything else I could come up with to further enhance my computer? :)


Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:10:00 - [2]
 

CPU and VGA

or VGA and SDD for OS

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:16:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 16:16:42

A target budget would be helpful...

You're only using little over three quarters of your RAM, you might want to upgrade to a 64-bit OS.
I suppose you're still running WinXP, I guess you could find a XP64 somewhere if you searched hard enough... with the latest serveice packs and patches and all that jazz, you shouldn't have any 32-bit compatibility problems.
Still, quite a few DX10/DX11 games start appearing, and the only graphics cards really worth buying already support DX11, so you might as well upgrade to Win7-64bit already as soon as possible.

You might end up finding your HDD a tad bit smaller than you're used to, but at least storage is rather cheap these days (you can find 2 TB drives for as low as 80$) - keep your old HDD as "OS and installs only" and put everything else on a second drive, including swap file.

The 8800 GTS 512 was quite a solid performer back in the day, and is still a somewhat decent video card, but I suppose it's starting to show its age. Raw performance wise, it's less than half of what a GTX 460 SE could handle, and you can buy one of those for 130$ on newegg, or maybe a GTX 460 for around 150$. Or if you want cheaper but still quite allright, get a Radeon HD 5770, they start as low as 110$ (and it's still about 66% faster on average than your current one, plus it supports DX11).
I suppose your power source should be able to any of those if that's the only thing you decide to upgrade (other than the HDD/OS, that is). Compared to the 8800, the 5770 actually draws LESS power, and the 460 draws only about 25W more.

Your current CPU should be just about borderline be able to handle even the 460 in most games and resolutions... but it will most likely be pretty close to the limit unless you ramp up resolution, antialiasing and texture sizes to the maximum (in which case, the bottleneck should be almost certainly the video card, not the CPU). You might not get radically better FPS, but you will get a much, much better image quality that way.

You have a LGA775 socket CPU (unknown motherboard), so there aren't many cheap decent upgrade options unless you switch out both.
If you want to keep on the intel bandwagon, the cheapest decent alternative right now would be a SandyBridge i5-2300 (quad core@2.8GHz, TurboBoost to 3.1GHz, costs around 185$ on newegg), but it would be a shame to not upgrade to an i5-2400 (quad@3.1/turbo 3.4) for just 5$ extra (190$ on newegg) or maybe, only if you're feeling generous, even an i5-2500 (quad@3.3/turbo 3.7) for just another 20$ (210$ on newegg). The 2600 is way too expensive (300$), and let's just forget you ever heard of the "K" versions (2600K is 315$, for instance).
The cheapest motherboards start at around 60$, but they're all micro-ATX ones and don't exactly bristle with features. The decent ones start at around 110$ if you don't want to bother with SLI, and more if you do. So you're looking at spending at least 300$ on CPU+MoBo.
The decent AMD combos are cheaper, but not THAT much cheaper. For vaguely similar performance you can at most expect a 15% savings, 20% if you're lucky. Then again, 45$-60$ is not exactly negligible.
The bad news, it probably won't even improve your gaming performance all that much, not unless you bought a much more powerful graphics card first.
The worse news : you might need to upgrade your PSU too.
The only good news is that you can used DDR3 on those motherboards, and RAM is also dirt cheap these days - 8 GB of DDR3@1600 (4x2GB kit) starting at just 85$ !

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:39:00 - [4]
 

Using EVGA Precision you should be able to squeeze a 50mhz OC on your Nvidia 8800 GTS 512. I have with mine.

A good tool I found last week was GPU-Z. It will show GPU and graphics card memory usage.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:42:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 28/06/2011 20:46:29
I recently made a few upgrades that made a HUGE difference with my system. I upgraded to 2 Nvidia 460GTX cards in SLI (from 2 8800GT's), moved to 64 bit Windows 7, and added more RAM (from 4 to 8gb). That's it, and it made a very noticeable difference across the board. Next up for me is a faster/larger hard drive and a new CPU.

Edit: but listen to what Akita says on the matter...she knows her stuff when it comes to computers.

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.06.29 02:35:00 - [6]
 

Power supply and graphics card.

If you're not sure what you want that means you're not bottlenecking anywhere right now and it's still working out. Shouldn't have problems with EVE, especially once the incarna stuff is better optimized. So, if you have the cash to burn I would burn it on making sure nothing goes up on you leaving you with no PC. Usually the power supply and HDD are what people least suspect, but your HDD is only about one year old that should be good. If you carried over your power supply from your old PC I would replace that and the graphics card. If your PSU is newish then do an OS upgrade as Akita T said.




I have exactly that machine. Did you self build? A while back that was, IMHO, the perfect point between paying too much for too little increase, and paying too little for not enough.

I can tell you I've gone past the life of two 8800gt 512's. I bought them as a pair to SLI and quickly realized it was overkill at the time, so I turned on off. Ran Hellgate:London on max settings very well while everyone else ranted and raved about issues on that game. Dragon Age Origins burned one out real bad for some reason, so I put the other one in as a replacement and it eventually went up and I had to buy a new one. Caught me off guard and I couldn't play much until my GTX 460 arrived in the mail.

Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.29 04:45:00 - [7]
 

tbh, the 8800 is by far the greatest card ever invented, it can run anything. i would bump up to a quad core and get 8gb of ram for like 100 bucks.

Hedoran Jaynara
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:18:00 - [8]
 

Thanks for your answers so far guys!

Yes I've put together this myself, or actually my brother did, but I was watching! :)

I have an extarnal HDD 500 gb.

I am using windows 7 actually, 64 version.

This is my motherboard: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=P45TurboTwins2000

Budget: About 200-300 €.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.29 15:56:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
Budget: About 200-300 €.

What's your current PSU ? Actual model, not just wattage listed on it.
And what kind of RAM do you have (DDR3, DDR3, speed, CL number).
In fact, can you post the same type of specs you posted for the motherboard for each of those ?

Quote:
I have an extarnal HDD 500 gb.

And what's the internal one ? Not just size, but actual model.
Eh, doesn't really matter all that much.
Not at the listed budget, anyway.

Quote:
This is my motherboard: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=P45TurboTwins2000
I am using windows 7 actually, 64 version.

Then what's the deal with "RAM: 4 gb (3,19 gb usable)" ???
You should have 4 GB usable, period. Maybe you mean 3.19 gb free ?

The motherboard allegedly supports up to 8 GB DDR3 1333 in dual channel mode in 4 slots (I assume the 2 yellow and 2 greenish ones are for DDR3, the 2 pink ones for DDR2).
I however doubt getting more than 4 GB will help unless you heavily multibox.
As I said, there's not much you can do with that motherboard, better CPUs are too expensive compared to much better CPUs (but which would need a different motherboard).


With the listed budget, at most you can change (listed from worst to best):
a) your mobo+CPU - won't really carry any noticeable improvement in gaming performance and blow through the entire budget
b) your RAM+HDD - you will only see any improvement if you had slower DDR2 and you get faster DDR3, but again, not much improvement - except in load times - and you'll probably not need the entire budget even if you go for top tier stuff
c) your PSU+GPU - depending on whether you need to get a new PSU or not, and on what video card you select, you might have quite a bit of leftover cash ; gameplay improvements guaranteed

Hedoran Jaynara
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:40:00 - [10]
 

The wattage of the PSU is 550. Model, not sure. Can of course open computer and check if that would help you? =)

The RAM, 2 x 1 gb Corsair DDR3 CM3X1025-1600C7DHX and Kingston 2 gb DDR3 9905403-136.A00LF (serial number B302E022).


Quote:
Then what's the deal with "RAM: 4 gb (3,19 gb usable)" ???
You should have 4 GB usable, period. Maybe you mean 3.19 gb free ?


I checked my performance. See link: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1s2PxGeThnrUmyEbPOo2eNwsGWEX3PH3WlalBAFFWKPk




Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:47:00 - [11]
 

I have found when overclocking my MK1 i5 750 2.66ghz from 3.3ghz towards 4ghz the actual real performance on Linpack benchmark is heavily dependent on memory frequency. So now I juggle with the frequencies and ratios in bios to try and get my DDR3 1600mhz memory as close to its 1600mhz max speed as possible while overclocking the CPU frequency.


 

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