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Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:50:00 - [1] Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:51:00 - [2] Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 27/06/2011 00:53:30 Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Absolutely not as a game gets older the sub goes down not up. What the hell is wrong with you? Edit: If ccp is low on cash how is that our problem again? They should have thought of that before developing two new MMOs. Once again what the hell is wrong with you? And anyone else who suggests paying more for our subscriptions.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:52:00 - [3] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Absolutely not as a game gets older the sub goes down not up. What the hell is wrong with you? From common sense point of view the 15$ today is not the same as 15$ 5-6 years ago. ( lets include 5% yearly inflation for the sake of argument )
Usuotas	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:53:00 - [4] what would have happened if incarna would have been a paid update? Lets say $30? $30 X "subed players we still have" it would still have caused a riot. But not as massive as it did now.
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:54:00 - [5] Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 27/06/2011 00:55:43 Originally by: Strrog Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Absolutely not as a game gets older the sub goes down not up. What the hell is wrong with you? From common sense point of view the 15$ today is not the same as 15$ 5-6 years ago. ( lets include 5% yearly inflation for the sake of argument ) When was the last time the US wage was adjusted due to inflation? Oh, right.... Give me a break... Edit: You may have common sense confused with something else.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:56:00 - [6] They could have done this expansion with only 10% of the hassle if they had done it right... but they ****ed it up.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:57:00 - [7] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Absolutely not as a game gets older the sub goes down not up. What the hell is wrong with you? From common sense point of view the 15$ today is not the same as 15$ 5-6 years ago. ( lets include 5% yearly inflation for the sake of argument ) When was the last time the US wage was adjusted due to inflation? Oh, right.... Give me a break... Well CCP maybe made a mistake of not including expansion in their money making structure, still a 5$ increase in month will cover the regular expansion costs. Plus I am no suggesting anything too drastic.
Tarinara	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:57:00 - [8] To charge $30USD ( or $40 ) for an expansion, it actually needs to contain some actual usable content. Being bug free is also a normal requirement. I don't think CCP could have gotten away with this for just about any expansion I've been around for that they've put out. As for your subscription price increase: that functional, bug free thing applies there too. Did I miss the memo that rockets had been fixed?...
Haruki Tekitsu	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:58:00 - [9] I have a better idea. Ill sell my house and all its contents to help CCP. Ohh come on dont tell them that we agree to a price increase. They will put it up and still keep the AUR. AUR is here to stay. Basically end of chat.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Are you ******ed? Them messing up and starting up two projects they couldnt fund should not be put on our backs. I pay my money for eve. Not to fun WoD or Dust. They should have worked out how to fund them better. Its their fault and Im not going to pay extra cause they cant pay for it. Shut down WOD till dust is done and making a profit.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Tarinara To charge $30USD ( or $40 ) for an expansion, it actually needs to contain some actual usable content. Being bug free is also a normal requirement. I don't think CCP could have gotten away with this for just about any expansion I've been around for that they've put out. As for your subscription price increase: that functional, bug free thing applies there too. Did I miss the memo that rockets had been fixed?... Well EVE expansion is a bit different from other MMO worlds as this is a sandbox and you cant just add a new PVP instance or battle ground for example.
Elanndria	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:00:00 - [12] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Absolutely not as a game gets older the sub goes down not up. What the hell is wrong with you? From common sense point of view the 15$ today is not the same as 15$ 5-6 years ago. ( lets include 5% yearly inflation for the sake of argument ) When was the last time the US wage was adjusted due to inflation? Oh, right.... Give me a break... Actually... all the time. That is what you call a pay rise. It is really only a fix for inflation, or to be fair, the cause for inflation. So while the idea isn't that stupid as you might think. I would still call it a bad idea.
Darg Pinea	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:00:00 - [13] If CCP is short on cash, I'd rather see them raise sub costs than add the NEx, if only because of the terrible upheaval it causes. I've been playing EVE off and on for so long now, I keep coming back for a reason... If they're hurting, just be honest and open about it and continue to listen to your customers, I'd go so far as to just donate money to CCP in such a case. That is the kind of company I saw CCP as when I started, that's the company that won me over, that's the one I support. The current shift is not fitting for the CCP I remember. (In all fairness, that might be to do with myself too, getting older and more jaded). Rambling cut short: I'd rather give CCP money than see them go down a path unfitting to them
San Severina Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:00:00 - [14] Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
robbyx	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:00:00 - [15] CCP are short on cash solely because of gross mis-management...it realy is that simple.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:01:00 - [16] Originally by: RougeOperator Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Are you ******ed? Them messing up and starting up two projects they couldnt fund should not be put on our backs. I pay my money for eve. Not to fun WoD or Dust. They should have worked out how to fund them better. Its their fault and Im not going to pay extra cause they cant pay for it. Shut down WOD till dust is done and making a profit. I was honestly surprised about those 2 projects when I heard about them, but the way they planned DUST market entry of console only may suggest that they received funding from somewhere else. Yes I agree they should not spend a dime on other projects especially when EVE requires quite some attention.
Thaya-rens Ostus	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:02:00 - [17] Yes - raise it. However, "non-vanity items" for aurum must be FOREVER banned and never to be discussed again by CCP. Also, more dedication to continuing to improve the actual GAME -- and fix stupid bugs ("you failed to target nothing.")
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Strrog Originally by: RougeOperator Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Are you ******ed? Them messing up and starting up two projects they couldnt fund should not be put on our backs. I pay my money for eve. Not to fun WoD or Dust. They should have worked out how to fund them better. Its their fault and Im not going to pay extra cause they cant pay for it. Shut down WOD till dust is done and making a profit. I was honestly surprised about those 2 projects when I heard about them, but the way they planned DUST market entry of console only may suggest that they received funding from somewhere else. Yes I agree they should not spend a dime on other projects especially when EVE requires quite some attention. Ok I take what I said back you do have some sense. My apologies I completely agree with the post you just made except that they probably received funding for DUST from somewhere else.
Cors It's A Trap It's A Trap Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:03:00 - [19] Edited by: Cors on 27/06/2011 01:02:56 I pay 15$ per month x 4 accounts, and have for almost 6 years. They make enough off of me. If they want to up the subscription fee, to keep it inline with other games? Fine. But this microtrasaction **** has GOT to go. I won't spend a DIME on micro transactions.
haurun	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:03:00 - [20] Why would I pay an extra 5$ a month so it can help cover any cash flow issues CCP might have when it will be used to primarily fund other projects other than what I am paying for? If CCP over-extended themselves due to non-eve projects, that's their problem and not mine. - 5$ across 5 subs / 300$ more a year for looking at a door. no thanks.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:04:00 - [21] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Strrog Originally by: RougeOperator Originally by: Strrog Greetings This will be a very simple suggestion, if CCP is a bit short on cash flow the 15$ monthly fee may not be enough especially when this fee was introduced years back and if we include general inflation the sub fee should have been increased. The current proposition is to raise the 15$ fee up to 20$. This will clean up most of the drama associated with NEX. Also this will bring way more resources then current micro-transactions. CCP will be still making fee expansions. Vote YES or NO ./discuss Are you ******ed? Them messing up and starting up two projects they couldnt fund should not be put on our backs. I pay my money for eve. Not to fun WoD or Dust. They should have worked out how to fund them better. Its their fault and Im not going to pay extra cause they cant pay for it. Shut down WOD till dust is done and making a profit. I was honestly surprised about those 2 projects when I heard about them, but the way they planned DUST market entry of console only may suggest that they received funding from somewhere else. Yes I agree they should not spend a dime on other projects especially when EVE requires quite some attention. Ok I take what I said back you do have some sense. My apologies I completely agree with the post you just made except that they probably received funding for DUST from somewhere else. It doesn't work that way, unless they were to actually spin off CCP Atlanta and CCP Shanghai for DUST and WoD.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:06:00 - [22] Originally by: haurun Why would I pay an extra 5$ a month so it can help cover any cash flow issues CCP might have when it will be used to primarily fund other projects other than what I am paying for? If CCP over-extended themselves due to non-eve projects, that's their problem and not mine. - 5$ across 5 subs / 300$ more a year for looking at a door. no thanks. I understand the frustration, but I was only suggesting EVE related expenses, I say again that I DO NOT support any other projects.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:07:00 - [23] I don't believe you people. If CCP had raised the sub to $20.00 you'd all be in Jita shooting statues over it. Threatening to quit. Spamming thread after thread about why the selfish bastards at CCP suck so bad, etc. Jesus, Strog. You just start playing yesterday? Anyone playing EVE longer than a week would know better than to start a thread like this. Mr Epeen
Thevani Khashour	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:10:00 - [24] No and here's why. I love EVE. I love it like a fat kid loves cake. I would have paid $15 to play it until they shut the lights off if they would have stayed trustworthy, and I wouldn't have complained. The thing is, the game is barely worth the $15 we pay for it now. And, it's been sliding down hill for 18 months. With the buggy Incarna with the poor character graphics, it's worth about $10, right now. It's definitely not worth $20 a month in it's current state. Some serious work would have to be done to it to warrant $20/mo. Starting with backing Incarna out and putting more work into it, fixing the problems with ship balance, null sec problems, FW and PvE work. EVE is getting old, and you just don't up the fees on old games, people laugh at you.
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:10:00 - [25] Screw paying them any more per month. If they didn't spend Eve subscriptions on designing two other games as well as running Eve the money would be sufficient for their needs. Anyway, there's so much in Eve that needs fixing they should have fixed that FIRST, and if they'd done so I might then be inclined to pay extra. They lost even more respect when they try to sell meaningless crap that at some point necessitates someone, somewhere along the line, injecting $70 (£44 UK) into the system if they want to buy a frigging Virtual Monocle! Nah, screw them.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Epeen I don't believe you people. If CCP had raised the sub to $20.00 you'd all be in Jita shooting statues over it. Threatening to quit. Spamming thread after thread about why the selfish bastards at CCP suck so bad, etc. Jesus, Strog. You just start playing yesterday? Anyone playing EVE longer than a week would know better than to start a thread like this. Mr Epeen What, Epeen? You know you'd pay it, and happily. Probably with PLEX, so really no benefit to CCP until the current stockpiles go down, though. That's why they wouldn't do it - no injection of subscription cash.
Salomon Kaine	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:19:00 - [27] If it was actually necessary to keep EVE running and developing at any rate I would take higher sub over MT anyday.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Linar Mardolak Originally by: Mr Epeen I don't believe you people. If CCP had raised the sub to $20.00 you'd all be in Jita shooting statues over it. Threatening to quit. Spamming thread after thread about why the selfish bastards at CCP suck so bad, etc. Jesus, Strog. You just start playing yesterday? Anyone playing EVE longer than a week would know better than to start a thread like this. Mr Epeen What, Epeen? You know you'd pay it, and happily. Probably with PLEX, so really no benefit to CCP until the current stockpiles go down, though. That's why they wouldn't do it - no injection of subscription cash. Of course I would. Four active accts atm. But that doesn't change what I said, does it? You rage at CCP. I rage at you. Big difference. I'm plenty happy with the game and the direction it's taking. The real direction, mind you. Not the tinfoil hat one.
Suboran Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [29] Charging for game subs is on the way out anyway
I Love Boobies Amarr All Hail Boobies	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:35:00 - [30] I would say no. Mainly because it would cause even more rage quitting than the current events. Plus, $20 would be more than the industry standard fee for MMO's, and that alone could make it so people would think twice about trying out Eve in a era where many subscription fees are actually disappearing.

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