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Golden Goose 4CCP
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [241]
 

I can wait.. I can't wait forever.

Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [242]
 

Correct me if my math is off, but don't you have to sell a metric F**K-ton of Monacles just to pay for the flights of the CSM to Iceland ?

Not so much on the profitability :)


Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Leon Razor
Edited by: Leon Razor on 26/06/2011 18:48:30
I think this response should be enough to calm everyone down. For now at least they seemed to have answered the big yellow question.


No they didn't. The big yellow question was about non-vanity items, not golden ammo specifically.
Won't resub until they do.

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [244]
 

Will this hold up the minutes from the last CSM meeting?
Hope you have a transcriber in there this time so the minutes take less time to write up.

Good luck CSM6.

Get us what we wantWink

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [245]
 

3 devblogs later and not one addressing the crap you've done to the game and its interface.

This microtransaction crap is such a fun distraction for the sheep and trolls, but means nothing to the game play and interface issues you're ignoring.

Somebody email me when the game is out of Beta again - I'll take another look.


DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Dibble Dabble
Originally by: Angeliq

No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc??




I want these items. Dont really care if you dont. MT is optional.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist


so what happens when an army of people fueled by, say, an aluminum tycoon armed with millions of dollars takes over the entire game because they're able to afford things that make their ships explode slower, or not at all, or other's ships explode faster?


Senlia Hucel-Ge
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [247]
 

Sounds not bad.

As soon as you clarify, that

* you do not sell ANY non-vanity items,
* shortcuts (SP, standings),
* now and in the future
* in a way that does not allow any loopholes

I gladly resub.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [248]
 

I like how the devblog is carefully worded...

"There HAVE BEEN no plans"

does not mean there "WILL NOT".

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 - [249]
 

Still on the unsubscribed side of things here (-2), looks like a week at least then.

Thanks for the apology though, appreciate it.

PS: start communicating in the Test-Server-Forums, 30% of the rage is fuelled by your lack of talking with the testers over there.

Kith Kanann
Minmatar
Pator Tech Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 - [250]
 

The CSM...

Seriously?

What a waste of time.

Dessau
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 - [251]
 

As you recall there was a definitive promise of 'no microtransactions, ever' last June. Now, here we are.

By extension, today's 'promise' is equally as meaningless.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Ill watch what you do not what you say.

As will the CSM.

Originally by: Innominate
Lies, spin, and equivocation. "Gold ammo" is a catch-all for anything affecting gameplay, and I suspect you're not using it as such here.

I can tell you without fear of contradiction that "Gold ammo" is shorthand for "any non-vanity item".

Originally by: Innominate
"Please stop talking about this."

On the contrary; start talking about it. Make sure that the CSM, your representatives, is absolutely clear about your opinions. I think we are, but there are always nuances.

Originally by: Weaselior
This sentence is a nightmare, please confirm what it means is "there will not be any 'gold ammo', i.e. non-vanity 'micro' transactions".

When CSM was asked for input on the devblog, I was concerned about this wording. Here is the alternate wording that I suggested, which I believe expresses the essence of CCP Zulu's intent:

However, I want to make one thing absolutely clear. Despite the impression given by the "point-counterpoint" debate that appeared in the Fearless newsletter, there have never at any time been any plans to sell "gold ammo" or any other game-affecting goods for Aurum.

Originally by: Buzzmong
I'll EvEmail this as well to the CSM members as I suspect you'll miss this.

Thanks, appreciated. You can also email me directly at trebor-csm@animeigo.com

Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [253]
 

Imho, this Zulu blog was a fail.
He dont answer anything.
He ask us to wait a hole week.
He dont give us anything.

It's hard to say but to me, the trust has been broken, and it will take a lot more than these weak, empty words, to bring it back.

I need acts. I need bug fixes. I need new projects to make the game better.

I am not paying a subscription to allow the dev to add more paying content ! Evil or Very Mad

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [254]
 

Resubbed! much love CCP ZULU!

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [255]
 

OK CCP you win.

It is quite obvious you could not say "We will never sell non-vanity items".

My subs have been in cancellation status for 3 days and there is no chance that will ever change now.

I can unequivocally state that I will never put another dime into your company again.

I can also unequivocally state that I will never advise nor reccomend to anyone that they do so either.

My ranting and protest are done, you win.

Dibble Dabble
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: Dibble Dabble
Originally by: Angeliq

No plan for "golden ammo"? Just like you had no plan a few years back for cash shop?? And what about other non-vanity items like implants, ships, enchantments, bonuses, etc??




I want these items. Dont really care if you dont. MT is optional.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist


so what happens when an army of people fueled by, say, an aluminum tycoon armed with millions of dollars takes over the entire game because they're able to afford things that make their ships explode slower, or not at all, or other's ships explode faster?




I think you will find that people are doing it already with Plex. Your scared of change. Your a fool.

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [257]
 

Why does everyone keep expecting worst case?

justme6
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [258]
 

just Skype it and be done with it
you'll just ignore their recommendations anyway!

Helig
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [259]
 

Thanks for the blog and the additional dialogue.. we're heading in the right direction. One of the big concerns for most is some commitment to not selling game impacting items via Aurum (we already have plex for that). This is pretty critical as it really would undermine our monthly subscription.

St'oto
Elite Predators
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: St''oto on 26/06/2011 19:09:57
It's about bloody time! CCP you seriously need to learn how too communicate better with your customers. Maybe the CSM needs to school you guys in proper communication etiquette? I literally signed back up too eve about 2 hours ago. I hope to god I won't regret it. I'm hoping that the CSM will put you guys back in line and show you just how valuable your customer base is. Without us, you are nothing. You need to remember that.

But I will say that I hope the CSM accurately describes our disgust for any "future" prospects into non vanity item sales. You may tell us to not talk about it, but that's just telling us that it will be swept under the rug. Until both the CSM and you guys officially announce that during X amount of time there will be no plans for non vanity items we should worry. In fact I would love to personally see a legal contract between the userbase and CCP that expressly outlines that it will never happen. Basically during X amount of time CCp is legally not able too even think of introducing such items. It should be tied to the EULA.


octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 - [261]
 

or he said their trust had been breached...hence the internal info came out.
csm is called back for being told off by this security leak.

this is their major problem not what was in the letter.

gold ammo answer is just a play of words to avoid the subject.


Onyx Blackman
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Dibble Dabble
Originally by: SunTsu Rae
An open Letter to the CPP management. Evil or Very Mad

You are NOT the ones that should be driving how we play.

Why? Look at your pay checks. They are written on our REAL LIFE money.

Break the game , and we break YOUR bank.

The interaction with 0.0 is decided by the player, the one who pays on the account, and should not ever be dictated by the application writers.

Quickbooks tried that, and it cost them market share.

Take the hint. Evil or Very Mad

We make the choices, and we can choose to go elsewhere in quantity if we see you reduce quality.

Maybe it is time for a review by the Investors of the books, overall business practices and future direction. Evil or Very Mad

If you prefer your clientele to only be pubescent teenagers, and college kids, continue to destroy the economics and abundance of play styles.

The result will be a slightly above average, internet based, application eqivalent to a console game, instead of the thriving community and economy.

I used to recruit for the adventure of Eve: Online.

I guess I will hold off on that.Evil or Very Mad


Some of us would like MT to work. If you dont want MT then dont buy it. I like the idea of MT, its optional. Your just another lemming ******.


That's the thing, it's only 'optional' if it has no bearing on gameplay or gives no advantage.

Vic Tenrach
Minmatar
The Wild Bunch
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [263]
 

Wonderful news, and a pleasure to read this devblog. I've been uneasy since Incarna came out, but still cautiously optimistic. Today I don't feel worried that my favorite game will crash and burn and the world will end \o/

Carai an'Caldazar
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Kith Kanann
The CSM...

Seriously?

What a waste of time.


Do you have a better way for them to communicate with the player base?

I know of no better way for them to reach out to the community and find out our real concerns, besides looking at the debates we have on these forums (which I imagine they do based on their discussions with the CSM).

Regardless of your political affiliations in EVE regarding the delegates and where they are from, there has been only evidence to support that the past CSM councils have had the best interests of the EVE player base at heart. While CCP may not have a track record for spearheading development based on their meetings, there has been victories and hopefully will be many more.

Urziel99
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [265]
 

No disrespect Zulu but I'll believe it when I see it. Meantime, I'll be keeping an eye on the NeX and if I see anything remotely suspicious I'll pull the plug on my 4 accounts.

I won't play a game who's economy is being usurped by the games creators.

Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [266]
 

A good step forward.
No advantages by aurum is just what I want to hear.

Hopefully the next steps will be in the same direction

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [267]
 


I am glad that CCP have seen the importance of the issue and have scheduled a crisis meeting with the CSM. Thank you. Now we will see the character and calibre of the CSM representatives we elected in these vital discussions on the future of the game. Its my hope that future directions will be greatly clarified in this meeting and we will quickly see a commitment to a non-mandatory CQ / no PTW MC via Aurum and a general reassertion of the future of Eve Online as a fully subscription-driven product.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [268]
 

Well it's definitely an improvement from Friday's blog.

I'll accept "no gold ammo" as a psuedo-answer until the CSM meeting clarifies things but I'll leave my subs cancelled pending what information is forthcoming post the July 1 meeting.

One thing I would suggest as a gesture of good faith is to adjust the ship fitting limit to a more reasonable value immediately, 1000 should suffice for the time being.

As the infamous email says "this is a time when we look at your actions rather than your words".

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [269]
 

Thanks Zulu. I look forward to hearing about the upcoming meeting.

Troy LS
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 - [270]
 

Bets that the Sony/CCP deal is announced before the CSM meeting next weekend?

I'll stay unsubbed until next week at the earliest.

Actions, not words.


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