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Warvan
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:37:00 - [6871]
 

CCP IS A COMPANY! THE OBJECTIVE OF WHICH IS TO MAKE MONEY!

NO MATTER THE SITUATION NOT EVERY PERSON CAN BE MADE HAPPY!

I Like walking around in the stations as it does add another level to the game but I think it should stop close to where is it. the entire CQ idea I like.

Think about it peeps. Don't let your own self importance go to your head.


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:38:00 - [6872]
 

Now threads are not just being locked but are being deleted........ Guess that answers the true or not question about the email!

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:39:00 - [6873]
 

Email is offsite now - so this could get interesting.

Email Here

You know...I've never seen a company so easily destroy itself. I mean, seriously, it's like an EVE Online Corp Flip in real life. Ironic in a way - the game will survive, but not ever as it was truly meant to. People will stay and keep playing, a new community will come, but the game will never reach its full potential - except as a cash cow for other games, that likely also won't reach their full potential now.


Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:39:00 - [6874]
 

We're reaching Titan-Thread capacity here. Will we be past 300 posts by wake up time tomorrow?

Corrak
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:39:00 - [6875]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Actually...

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what CCP are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a day now, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

How does that sound ?[/quote



I like it! Very Happy

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 - [6876]
 

Originally by: Warvan
CCP IS A COMPANY! THE OBJECTIVE OF WHICH IS TO MAKE MONEY!

NO MATTER THE SITUATION NOT EVERY PERSON CAN BE MADE HAPPY!

I Like walking around in the stations as it does add another level to the game but I think it should stop close to where is it. the entire CQ idea I like.

Think about it peeps. Don't let your own self importance go to your head.



You obviously don't understand what has happened.

Everything every one of these geeks ever worked hundreds of hours for in this game.

Is now valued at ZERO.

Ometheos Oribili
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 - [6877]
 


Kerppe Krulli
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 - [6878]
 

Nuked and quickly, strange, I wonder how much over time those little eye glasses are purchasing to try and keep the new email silent? Come on CCP, get the guts to step back in. Sure we'll even talk to your fail PR manager who started this thread.


Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 - [6879]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Now threads are not just being locked but are being deleted........ Guess that answers the true or not question about the email!


Not for those who refuse to see the truth. Not even a live broatcast would convince some of the people here, they'd just revert to 'well it is just vanity items'.

Riithi Bashere
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 - [6880]
 

Parley my ass

after Hilmar's e-mail this means all out war.

Jacoba Stalker
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 - [6881]
 

Originally by: Warvan
CCP IS A COMPANY! THE OBJECTIVE OF WHICH IS TO MAKE MONEY!

NO MATTER THE SITUATION NOT EVERY PERSON CAN BE MADE HAPPY!

I Like walking around in the stations as it does add another level to the game but I think it should stop close to where is it. the entire CQ idea I like.

Think about it peeps. Don't let your own self importance go to your head.




This isn't about walking around in the stations, I like that too, it isn't about the CQ. I like that as well.

The Nex isn't that big an issue except for the outrageous amount of money that they are charging for the items.

THE REAL ISSUE:

Lies, coverups and deceptions by CCP.

If they lie about one thing, they will lie about other more important things.

Eladaris
Amarr
Excessum Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 - [6882]
 

Originally by: Pat Morrison
Originally by: Senedane Zyremdez
If that e-mail is verified, I've lost all respect for CCP.... And that makes the OP here a lie and the most lip service "apology" I've ever heard....


What apology?
"We're sorry that you are mad at us."


Since the Dev's are madly locking / deleting / banning player's involved in posting and reposting the email... rather than saying "aw **** guys, that crap is fake" it's HIGHLY likely it's totally verified now.

Raven God
Texas Inc.
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 - [6883]
 

230 pages and counting and how many CCP responses?

Not enough, just more evidence that they dont care Crying or Very sad

Krasnij Okjabre
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 - [6884]
 

Dear CCP et-al,

I have played, and had fallen in love with your game/vision since July 2006.

Now, it's all over.

I found your game by accident and truly believed it to be the successor to David Brabens 'Elite'. A space game where you could trade, mine, pirate... whatever. Never mind the rhetoric, anyone that bothers to read this will know what I mean.

2 accounts since 2006. Not much maybe. Also 2 visits to Iceland at not a inconsiderable expense for Fanfests - 2009 and 2011.

I don't know what the overall cost to me personally has been over those years... I know what it will be now.

Nothing.

Before anyone asks, no, you cannot have my stuff. It will remain in the netherworld until such time YOU, CCP, pull your head out of your commercial backside.

I am disappointed in you, not angry. That would convey emotion. I have none. I am hurt and disappointed that you have gone against everything you promised US, your playerbase.

You promised EVE would remain free from MT and you have betrayed us.

For that I have to turn my back on you. Until you can be honest about yourselves and your intentions... and more importantly, be honest with US. We pay your wages. You are rapidly losing sight of yourselves, and more importantly, US.

- 2 accounts.

Was fun while it lasted, and you have yourselves to blame for this.

So long and thanks for all the smartbomb induced podkills.

Much respect to all those I have killed/podded/been killed by ingame. I shall miss you all.

Good luck.

Kras.


Alphonze Tleilaxu
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:43:00 - [6885]
 

Edited by: Alphonze Tleilaxu on 25/06/2011 03:44:19
[CCP Hilmar says]: Today we take a dump on our once loyal players of Eve Online. Today we admit we only care about the money. Today we dine in Hell!!! So eat hearty!
[CCP Hilmar says]: /CorporateSuicide

-2 Accounts

GG CCP, You just suicided into your playerbase

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 - [6886]
 

Oh look, more stupid that CCP has thrown onto the fire.

That email turns out to be true, that's my alt account (At the very least) gone

Haunting Widow
SKEET ELITE
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 - [6887]
 

I have three accounts in eve online that I'm going to let slide into expiration until CCP fixes this debacle. I have a plex on each ready to use if CCP smartens up, if they don't I'll reactivate for an hour and give them away (one less thing for someone to pay CCP for)

CCP you have gone too far this time. Get a grip!

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 - [6888]
 

Pann... Pann! PANNNN! You there? ugh

Eladaris
Amarr
Excessum Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:45:00 - [6889]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29
Hi, everyone

Some of you who have been around for a while may remember me. I was the original community manager for EVE. These days, I oversee the PR and Community teams. While most of what I do happens behind the curtains, I am still aware of what’s going on front and center. I would be lying if I said that what’s happening now didn’t make me sad, but I’m not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, I’m here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.

It’s clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. There’s a lot happening, things are changing quickly and we haven’t been as forthcoming as you were used to in the past. I’m willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off.

I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming, even if we weren’t going to be able to immediately give you all of the answers you were looking for or the answer your questions in ways that will instantly turn those frowns upside down. To be even more candid, I cannot answer all of your questions, either, but I am working with the people who can to start getting those answers for you. Again, I know we’re doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope you’ll bear with me.

I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you don’t know me from Adam. I haven’t earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you – but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?

Like I said, I won’t be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise we’ll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what I’m missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.

If you’ve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, I’d like very much to hear it.

Humbly yours,
~P~

*edited to fix a "doh!" typo



With the recently leaked e-mail from your own CEO... which your own forum moderators are currently madly banning / locking and deleting off your forums... as well as the absolute lack of feedback on the CORE issue everyone has. Can we assume you were just simply lying to us all along?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:45:00 - [6890]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 25/06/2011 03:45:32
Originally by: Shade Millith
Oh look, more stupid that CCP has thrown onto the fire.

That email turns out to be true, that's my alt account (At the very least) gone


It's as real as the revolving door on the account management page.

Nevigrofnu Mrots
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [6891]
 

Posting in this threadnaught before it gets erased like the other one with the email leak

BEST EVE DRAMA EVER, KEEP THEN COMMING Very Happy

*** popcorn *** Cool

Lord Kazuhiro
Caldari
Amarr Empire Shipyards
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [6892]
 

This isn't just going to go away after a few days, I'll spend as long as it takes for there to be a 180 degree turn in the company or till the company itself goes bankrupt. At this point I don't care which.

Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd.
Tamanium
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [6893]
 

It's all been said here plenty before, and I'll not mention 'Fearless' or Zulu's risible comments, but here's my take.

Your own original assessment of the issues, Penn, is pretty wide of the mark, I think. The Noble Exchange prices are trivia, just a comedy stick you’ve handed your growing crowd of critics to beat you with. As long as they’re vanity items, charge what you will and the game continues, not at all diminished – though having said that, without massive revision, a lot of people who had actually looked forward to this aspect of the game will be rather disappointed.

The main problem is, CCP has just introduced to the gaming world the concept of the ‘Contentless Expansion.’ Actually, that’s not quite it - the main problem is the (perceived or feared) reasons for the CE.

For some time now, years - development cycles, measure them how you will - Eve expansions have been depressingly thin on true development. Now Incarna takes it to the logical conclusion, and only the agent-finder (which could have been added as and in-DT hotfix) spares any blushes. CQ is NOT content, it is a beta product that should not be seen beyond the test server for months yet. It has been pushed through to pay lip-service to the ‘two expansions a year’ ideal, to get the MT going as soon as possible, and / or to get some more (paid-for) play-testing of WOD code.

Overall, Eve is starting to look to me like a legacy product. Expansion and development have given way to maintenance unless there is a cross-over benefit for CCPs ‘main’ products, or there’s a quick buck to be made from the gold store. It seems your Eve player-base is just not ‘money’ enough these days.

Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [6894]
 

Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 25/06/2011 03:51:26
So ... going by the newsletter and Hilmar's oh-so-enlightening e-mail, I assume we can eventually expect CCP to copy the Allods Cash Shop. That particular bit of developer idiocy certainly turned out well.

Keep going, CCP. You made about $4000 in one-time monocle sales, and lost nearly $15,000 in monthly subscription fees.

Back on topic, CCP Pann seems to have completely missed what players are up in arms over. Most folk don't care whether you charge $60 for a monocle or $200. We're angry because after years of promoting EVE as a sandbox and promising that at no point would items affecting gameplay be sold for real money, suddenly CCP decided to seriously consider selling ships and ammo for cash. And you had the gall to lie to the CSM about it just a few months ago. And apparently no-one at CCP has the balls to come out and say so outright. So not only do you look like incompetents, but apparently CCP's management is made up of incompetent liars who couldn't be trusted to run a lemonade stand.

Sordeo Regius
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 - [6895]
 

SHOW ME THE MONEY JERRY!

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 - [6896]
 

Dear CCP Prann,

The devs have just locked several threads made by players showing leaked information. If CCP was sorry, Hilmar and Zulu would make a public apology and fix the current issues NOW. I will not post them, you have read the posts, you've seen the un-subscriptions. This is going to be your last and only chance.

Remember, the customer is ALWAYS right. If Hilmar thinks otherwise he can kiss my ass. I quit once and I'll do it again if the needs of the player are not met.

Also anyone banned for EVE for complaining a bit to loudly about this need to have an apology and re admitted.

Also bring back hulkaggedon. It made this game different.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 - [6897]
 





So how much SP do we get for this?


Qwyp
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 - [6898]
 


Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 - [6899]
 

Originally by: Alice Katsuko
So ... going by the newsletter and Hilmar's oh-so-enlightening e-mail, I assume we can eventually expect CCP to copy the Allods Cash Shop. That particular bit of developer idiocy certainly turned out well.

Keep going, CCP. You made about $4000 in one-time monocle sales, and lost nearly $15,000 in monthly subscription fees.


Sound like a Jita scam to me

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 - [6900]
 

They shouldn't have deleted Hilmars email.

It is the answers we were looking for.

He needs to stand up and tell all that stuff to the customers, but he correctly thinks we're a bunch of humans/idiots.

Just funny that he actually thinks his stats show success :-D


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