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leth ghost |
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:58:00 - [ 6781]
 Originally by: Snake Scofield
Quote:
Its the truth, Ive seen many of corporate emails just like this.
We care for the product, they care for the money.
Two very different perspectives.
blind thats all i can say carry on sucking hilmar ****
So does this mean you won't be resubbing after your 110 days of trolling?
Thank god.
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Bustin Jieber |
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:59:00 - [ 6782]
Originally by: Miilla
I find it amusing that the CSM , ONLY NOW JUST FIGURED OUT, they're useless lol
Wrong. The Mittani's candidate thread made it clear that the CSM has no power to affect change at CCP. It's the playerbase that still holds to the idea that CCP cares what the CSM says. |
Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:59:00 - [ 6783]
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Quote:
Its the truth, Ive seen many of corporate emails just like this.
We care for the product, they care for the money.
Two very different perspectives.
So does this mean you won't be resubbing after your 110 days of trolling?
Thank god.
TODO:
1) Play Eve
1.5) Post in threadnaught
1.6) Laugh at CCP and NEX and Monocle buyers
2) Watch CCP's demise as they gloat over 4000 bucks from 52 monocle suckers - IN PROGRESS
3) Watch real train wreck to compare with item 2)
4) If no train wreck available, watch a sinking ship to compare with item 2)
5) Cancel when bored of the lols
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crimson moon81 |
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:59:00 - [ 6784]
subscriptions canceled. |
Kadari Amilupar |
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:59:00 - [ 6785]
I just hope it all gets fixed. :( |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:01:00 - [ 6786]
Originally by: Joe D'Trader
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
WTS CHEAP EVE GUYS SEND EVEMAIL
NYX PILOT
TENGU PILOT
PHOENIX PILOT
MAELSTROM PILOT
18 pi/jita guys
tengu/phoenix are the same guy
Same pilot or multiple?
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:01:00 - [ 6787]
Quote:
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Aineko MacxIt's working!
No, it's not. It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder, I'm wasting time with extremely childish antics that get no one anywhere.
Really, this needs to stop.
really, seriously? scolding the customers? Are you ****ing serious? You sowed. Now you reap. deal. |
Solver Bear
Gallente |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:02:00 - [ 6788]
Originally by: Kadari Amilupar
I just hope it all gets fixed. :(
Me too :( |
Tajidan
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:03:00 - [ 6789]
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:03:00 - [ 6790]
Originally by: Solver Bear
Originally by: Kadari Amilupar
I just hope it all gets fixed. :(
Me too :(
I don't, I hope they destroy themselves because I hate their smug arrogant attitude. |
Benri Konpaku |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:03:00 - [ 6791]
Originally by: Adamas Anax
There is a very simple solution here, you don't like or agree with the system....DON'T BUY THE PRODUCTS. You vote with your wallet, not with your nerdrage folks. And, if you truly think that new products will unbalance the game, simply TAKE YOUR MONEY ELSEWHERE!
That's what we are doing. But since we can still post and log on while the sub runs out of time we are (obviously hopelessly) hoping we can make CCP change it's course. And it's a nice way to kill time if you've already uninstalled the client and can't join the riots in Jita.  |
Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:04:00 - [ 6792]
CCP upper management...you bunch of egotistical, selfish ****tards...get a grip and realize what will happen to your company, to your JOBS, if you continue with this. Just sit back and use what little brain power you have that isnt clouded by green backs. |
leth ghost |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:04:00 - [ 6793]
Originally by: Solver Bear
Originally by: Kadari Amilupar
I just hope it all gets fixed. :(
Me too :(
fix what ccps attitude |
Phsyco Bob
Caldari
Moon Humpers
Growth Disorders |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:04:00 - [ 6794]
Edited by: Phsyco Bob on 25/06/2011 03:05:44
The bottom line wont get bigger just 'cause the rich kids are willing to spend RL cash to get ahead in every other game online.
Going in that direction destroys Eve and makes CCP the proud owner of a glorified version of Farmville. Be happy with your 14.95/month +GTC for play time and stop trying to get bigger than you need to be. Great side publicity like Eve TV and Fanfest can be done in a smaller scale, and I'm sure you can get by without that shiny new flat screen in the break room.
Microtransactions are not something you're going to be able to expand on with the PC player base. Stick it to the kids playing Dust that want a nice paint job on thier rifle. Any transaction that gets one player ahead of another decimates the fun we have as we earn our own or our corporation's place.
Vanity is the line. Don't cross it.
*edit*
Checking in with 5 active accounts and 5 years of play time in the balance. Don't let star wars the old republic take me. |
Smeedly |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:05:00 - [ 6795]
Unsubed until CCP makes it clear there will be no pay-to-win items. |
Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:05:00 - [ 6796]
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Sup, Mittens. That mook, Soundwave as well as the other opposing view, Diagoras, were obviously just used as faces by marketing to make what was already an executive decision look like a discussion for the more challenged within CCP. The MT, pay to win, decision was obviously made, long ago. If not they would have said so in one of the devbogrolls this morning at the latest, not when the sh!tstorm was hitting close to 200 posts.
No, they're just utterly awful at messaging, quite possibly one of the worst of any MMO company. If they had gold ammo plans, I would have sussed it out already; it's not like I lack sources or skill in gathering intel.
In many of your posts over the past few months I've noted a conspiratorial bent in your views, and I think the above is a reflection of that.
CCP is never good at responding to threadnaughts with clarity and sense. Ban a couple of popular people, make things worse, rile up players - this is all par for the course, a mirror of T20 response.
I hope you're right, you should certainly know them better than we... but they've simply lost all credibility with most of us... if they lie about one thing and hide it from us, are you so sure they won't hide something from you? |
Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:05:00 - [ 6797]
Edited by: Miilla on 25/06/2011 03:05:28 Originally by: Fi1ippo
CCP upper management...you bunch of egotistical, selfish ****tards...get a grip and realize what will happen to your company, to your JOBS, if you continue with this. Just sit back and use what little brain power you have that isnt clouded by green backs.
I think they know what theyre doing, they just made a revenue boost of 3640 bucks! (52 monocles * 70)
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Myrkala
Minmatar
Rebel Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:05:00 - [ 6798]
Wow I just read this link.I always aspired for a job at CCP, but after reading that is seems CCP got sick somewhere in the growth-phase, maybe an uncurable sickness unless some very drastic changes are made within CCP's management, be it policy, procedures or human resources... Good morale isn't worth much if everything else is bad, it seems that communication is a very big (ignored) problem within CCP on many levels and tiers. This bad internal communication then results in bad communication with the playerbase. I've seen many examples where devs seem to know very little about some problem/issue/topic when trying to answer the playerbase when it starts creating threadnaughts. Pull your pants up CCP and start improving internally and reaching a more professional level. In those reviews a "relaxed corp" is often mentioned, but there is a point where "relaxed" just doesn't cut it. I'm sorry, you are no longer 3 people in an attic any more. You have what, 600 employees now? Heck I can even point to some paralells in EVE. Corps that promote a "relaxed" atmosphere and grow too large start to wither quickly down again, because all it becomes is a collection of smaller cliqs. Which is just what those ex-employees are describing. Is CCP a company that says/promises/announces one thing they know the playerbase will like to hear and then go ahead and pretty much fail by doing completely the opposite? I bet its surprising to you higher ups at CCP how quickly and how many people have written detailed posts with opinions and strong feelings. As a company that makes MMOs, the most stupid thing you could ever do is to neglect the playerbase. History provides a clue. Star Wars Galaxies NGE. Is the advent of EVE's "NGE"? If your budgets are spread thin because of a simultaneous development of two extra titles on top of EVE, delay those titles if you need and focus on your current moneymaker; EVE. Do your absolute best to polish it until people (almost) stop complaining on the forums. I also have my skepticisms on how you are going to be able to manage, nurture and expand TWO MMOs if your internal communication among numerous things is in bad shape. --- Hættið að vera svona helvíti sjálfumglaðir þarna í CCP og farið að gera eitthvað í málunum. Þið eruð bókstaflega búnir að skjóta ykkur í fótinn, skíta upp á bak og æla yfir ykkur sjálfa. Þið hafið ekki verið að hlusta á fólkið sem spilar leikinn af nægri alvöru, eða þá að einhver hátt-settur eru algerlega ófær um að gera sér grein fyrir mikilvægi og kosti góðs andlegs sambands milli tölvuleikjafyrirtækis sem rekur áskriftar-MMO og fólksins sem spilar. Ef þið hefðuð hlustað betur væru þið með miklu fleiri áskrifendur í dag, því leikurinn væri betri. Leikjahönnuðir eru oft allt of ósveigjanlegir í sýnum sínum eins og stjórnarmenn með peningamerki í augunum eru blindir fyrir göllum hugmynda eins og MT í áskriftarleik. Ég veit ekki alveg hvernig þið hugsuðuð hvernig NeX ætti að virka en ég get ímyndað mér það einhvernveginn svona: 1. Nýjir/Ungir Spilarar Kaupa Plex 2. Gamlir Ríkir Spilarar (Sem eiga kannski Technetium-uppsprettur) Kaupa NeX vörur, með því að kaupa plex á markaðinum. Útaf því að þeir eiga svo svakalega mikið af peningum. 3. Meiri eftirspurn eftir PLEX skapast og með því meira flæði Sem er víst fínt fyrir ykkur, þið fáið peninginn strax og peningaflæði eykst umfram það sem áskrift gefur. En ætli meirihlutinn af því fari ekki í eðra leiki en EVE? Hljómar eins og CCP sé sýkt af hinni sömu týpísku íslensku mikilmennskubrjálun sem setti bankanna á hausinn. Ég ætla ekki að skrifa meira, mér finnst eins og ég sé að reyna að hjálpa fullum róna að komast "heim." |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:06:00 - [ 6799]
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khac |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:07:00 - [ 6800]
I guess we now know why Iceland went broke literarly overnight. People like Hillmar is in charge. |
Zeg Quul |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:08:00 - [ 6801]
Zulu, thank you for at least tryig to be diplomatic. OP is right,you just cannot top Hilmar. RL satire best satire |
Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:08:00 - [ 6802]
Edited by: Miilla on 25/06/2011 03:09:51 Originally by: khac
I guess we now know why Iceland went broke literarly overnight. People like Hillmar is in charge.
Did you make 3640 bucks! (52 monocles * 70) overnight? That's more than all I spent on subs yearly. No, HE DID. Just sayin. |
Nikki West |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:08:00 - [ 6803]
CCP thinks this expansion was a great success and they should be proud of it.
CCP knew how we would react.
CCP will not listen to our words and opinions.
CCP will wait until this blows over and then continue with their policy.
Un-subscribe today to save EVE! |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:09:00 - [ 6804]
Originally by: Smeedly
Unsubed until CCP makes it clear there will be no pay-to-win items.
Hilmar (CEO CCPGames) just confirmed there will be and that his staff are to ignore you. |
Iselsi Custodis
Gallente
NoxArcana |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:11:00 - [ 6805]
Originally by: CCP Pann
Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29
Hi, everyone
Hello CCP Pann. Originally by: CCP Pann
I would be lying if I said that what’s happening now didn’t make me sad, but I’m not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, I’m here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.
Please don't tell me that other communications from CCP that you guys are ok with lying? Originally by: CCP Pann
It’s clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. There’s a lot happening, things are changing quickly and we haven’t been as forthcoming as you were used to in the past. I’m willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off.
I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming, even if we weren’t going to be able to immediately give you all of the answers you were looking for or the answer your questions in ways that will instantly turn those frowns upside down. To be even more candid, I cannot answer all of your questions, either, but I am working with the people who can to start getting those answers for you. Again, I know we’re doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope you’ll bear with me.
The issue is deeper rooted, at least as I see it, than simply taking the time to respond to your player base. I can't say I blame you there, lol, and you don't have an easy job with this, that is for sure! Originally by: CCPPan
I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you don’t know me from Adam. I haven’t earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you – but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?
The problem is trust and respect not from us to CCP, but from CCP to us, paying subscribers. This issue has been brewing for a very long time, and the last community lashout that you felt was during Dominion. It had seemed to me at least, that when that occured you suddenly realized that maybe you should support your player base, or they will leave. And then you will not be making monies. Sad to see that the reversal may not be as honest as I had thought it was. That, or CCP is back to it's old ways. That is the true root core of the issue, at least for me. And I'm sure, many others who have replied feel the same way. While I havn't read the comments themselves, I saw something on Evenews24 that helicity boson made some negative comments and (his?her?) account was banned. This truly saddens me. Will I be banned for voicing my opinion too? Originally by: CCP Pann
Like I said, I won’t be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise we’ll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captain’s Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what I’m missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.
Ever read a book called 1984? Deleting posts, in game channels where players are 'rebelling', banning accounts, this will only serve to further incite your playerbase. Needless trolling for posts, sure. But I mean, come on guys. Really? Will my post be deleted as well? Please let me know via telepathy so I can save all the effort of typing it. Oops, too late. Overall my issue, is that you truly and continually seem to not really care for your subscribers. The leaked memo is my point on that one |
Kredious |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:11:00 - [ 6806]
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:11:00 - [ 6807]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Smeedly
Unsubed until CCP makes it clear there will be no pay-to-win items.
Hilmar (CEO CCPGames) just confirmed there will be and that his staff are to ignore you.
Not to mention all the suckers queueing up to try Eve! Hilmar knows this. He will be reaming in money from more people, high player churn, so what, it's like a hit and run with a revolving door. |
Kaedama Katar |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:12:00 - [ 6808]
Edited by: Kaedama Katar on 25/06/2011 03:12:10 Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 25/06/2011 03:05:28
Originally by: Fi1ippo
CCP upper management...you bunch of egotistical, selfish ****tards...get a grip and realize what will happen to your company, to your JOBS, if you continue with this. Just sit back and use what little brain power you have that isnt clouded by green backs.
I think they know what theyre doing, they just made a revenue boost of 3640 bucks! (52 monocles * 70)
It's Hillmar's master plan at work. Put out this uber kill-mail. Take the 4k bucks, buy some playstations and then play Dust with his bootlickers... on an empty servercluster. They can use the free memory to host some ****. That should keep it running. I mean come to think of it... Tranquility would probably be the fastest ****host in the history of the internets. |
Alexis Sachs |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:12:00 - [ 6809]
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2011.06.25 03:12:00 - [ 6810]
The sad part is that I have NEVER had anything happen that would make me consider cancelling my sub's until now. And that's taking into account that I've been playing this game for over 6 years.
I like Incarna, and have been looking forward to it for quite some time. I don't like the method of implementation nor the MT fiasco, but neither of those things would make me want to quit on their own.
And now, the leaked news letter and email have served as a catalyst to completely change my opinion of EVE and even CCP as a whole. I have fairly thick skin, and it might be something I gained during my military service. It takes quite a bit to actually upset me in any way, shape, or form.
Yet, this upsets me.... |
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