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leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:38:00 - [1201]
 

Edited by: leth ghost on 23/06/2011 12:38:30
Originally by: Kalissa
Well I've asked around and the general word on the grapevine that this document is legit, it reads pretty legitimate too, seems CCP just see us as wallets to plunder. Pay cash for weapons??? I'll do that, when hell freezes over.

Bet the hunt is on in CCP for whoever leaked this baby!


yeah i bet they are mad at ccp for who ever let this out , but thank god they did

G0rdon Gekko
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:39:00 - [1202]
 

Edited by: G0rdon Gekko on 23/06/2011 12:40:38
Just thought I'd swing by and say that I have no idea why you guys are getting so angry about all this. Personally I think it's good to see that CCP are engaging their staff with publications like this and encouraging them to explore innovation. The two articles were clearly polarised and deliberately provocative to provoke debate. Those of you who are taking them literally really need to loosen up your neckties.


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:40:00 - [1203]
 

It doesn't matter that it was leaked out or not.


If we seen it comming or it arrived, it would have the same effect. Sinking ship.


If anything this is a good thing for CCP that it got leaked, they can now guage the reaction.

And get the message before it goes live and then see their money wasted down the toilet.


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:41:00 - [1204]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/06/2011 18:02:46

Originally by: Verone

I look at the parts of Eve that I enjoy, and those that have an effect on what I enjoy. The rest is for other people to be concerned over.


Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:41:00 - [1205]
 

Originally by: G0rdon Gekko
Just thought I'd swing by and say that I have no idea why you guys are getting so angry about all this.



Heh that made me grin.

Back to topic - BURN HIM! Razz

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:43:00 - [1206]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 12:46:12

The average CCP employee has moved to a small, rocky island to work for below-average wages.

What does he think about these changes and why does CCP have to convince him with this bulletin?

some selected metrics from the employee satisfaction survey:

topic: 2009, 2010, 2011 (perfect score is 5)
Employee Satisfaction: 4.2, 4.2, 4.1
Employee Loyalty: 4.7, 4.5, 4.4
Morale and Cooperation: 4.1, 4.1, 3.9
Management - CEO: 4.6, 4.4, 4.4
Management - Executive Board: 4.0, 3.7, 3.7
Company Vision and Business Goals: 4.1, 4.1, 3.9

question: 2010, 2011
"Professional development is well organized within CCP.": 3.1, 2.9
"I feel that my pay is in line with the position that I occupy.": 3.2, 3.1
"Communication with other offices is good.": 3.3, 3.1
"CCP's salary policy is fair.": 3.3, 3.2

I call bull**** on everyone claiming that CCP's employees in general are "out of touch" - they see very clearly what's going on and could be our best allies. If you don't care what game you are working on you would be stupid to hire with CCP.

The problem is that it is very easy for management to say "we just cannot pay you a competitive wage unless we increase revenue with MTs".

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:43:00 - [1207]
 

Originally by: Miilla


If anything this is a good thing for CCP that it got leaked, they can now guage the reaction.




This. Sometimes things are just a bad idea but people cant see it.

I hope our voices and the voice of John is heard and CCP can get back on track leaving this nonsense out of the game.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:44:00 - [1208]
 

So guys.... How much liquid do you think CCP have in them? ;-)

How many weeks of negative cashflow before they just close the door and kick everyone out?

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:44:00 - [1209]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone

I look at the parts of Eve that I enjoy, and those that have an effect on what I enjoy. The rest is for other people to be concerned over.


Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.




^^ Best post in this topic.

Redblade
Reikoku
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:45:00 - [1210]
 

Originally by: Miilla


If CCP want to kill eve. Let's help them by wardeccing new corps and ganking new players endlessly on our way out.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535334

20 Billion isk will be spent from me on these activities.


Does that mean you will finally stop posting your nonsense here then?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:46:00 - [1211]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 12:46:41



The most damaging thing that could probably happen is people stop paying and THE PLEX PRICES RISE.

Those with stockpiles could RAISE THE PRICE so AURUM is even more OUT OF REACH, and SUBSCRIBERS have to be forced to stop playing with alts / accounts or pay real money.


Wouldnt that hurt?




Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:47:00 - [1212]
 

Originally by: Miilla



The most damaging thing you can do probably is stop paying and SCREW THE PLEX PRICES.

Those with stockpiles should RAISE THE PRICE so AURUM is even more OUT OF REACH, and SUBSCRIBERS have to be forced to stop playing with alts / accounts or pay real money.

Make em hurt.




The fact you're trying to sell 50 has of course got nothing to do with this initiative right? Wink

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:49:00 - [1213]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 12:49:07
Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Miilla






The most damaging thing that could probably happen is people stop paying and THE PLEX PRICES RISE.

Those with stockpiles could RAISE THE PRICE so AURUM is even more OUT OF REACH, and SUBSCRIBERS have to be forced to stop playing with alts / accounts or pay real money.


Wouldnt that hurt?




The fact you're trying to sell 50 has of course got nothing to do with this initiative right? Wink



There are lots of people with much more than that in aggregate Imagine if that did happen, that would be PAIN


CCP would have to step in and control the prices. That would force their hand.


Caldari Meatbag
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:50:00 - [1214]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
:words:


where is the +rep butan?

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:51:00 - [1215]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
...lots of things...


I tend to agree on all counts (a scary notion for the pair of us, I know).

The fact of the matter is that it's been just over a day since release of Incarna.

I'll wait to see what gets fixed, rolled out, polished and repaired in the coming patches before I resort to throwing my toys around.



Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:52:00 - [1216]
 

Originally by: Miilla

CCP would have to step in and control the prices. That would force their hand.



They always have controled the price. Last xmas I bought myself a GTC for some unknown reason.
Shattered-crystal told me they were out and had to wait for next month when CCP gives them more stock of codes.


Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:52:00 - [1217]
 

Originally by: Verone
I look at the parts of Eve that I enjoy, and those that have an effect on what I enjoy. The rest is for other people to be concerned over.


Sadly, unless you do not enjoy eve, this affects everything in eve.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


+1

Sure it's another 'eve is dieing' thread, but this is one of maybe 3 times I'm actually contemplating just giving up on the game.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:54:00 - [1218]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 23/06/2011 12:56:14
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
...lots of things...


I tend to agree on all counts (a scary notion for the pair of us, I know).



lol same... wtg Jade!

I take back any time I've trolled SF :-)

edit: immolation... always learn a new word with Jade around.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:54:00 - [1219]
 

Originally by: General Windypops

What utter nonsense. You honestly didn't expect game developers to be looking at options like this? Every single MMO developer is having exactly the same conversations that CCP are. And some of them are changing already - look at what happened with LOTRO's F2P.



CCP always prided themselves for being DIFFERENT. This is why we support them.
Going "exactly like" is going to remove the DIFFERENT.

Like Apple caved in and switched into some worst China made, stock UI and cheapest components around. It'd be their undoing.



Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

Is Chribba going to keep playing after they screwed him so bad?



Well, he's a very nice guy, he'd certainly figure out a solution with me.

Furthermore, Grendell is also certified to accept donations of PLEXes and ISK on my behalf.

If you are totally desperate you can just send stuff to my listed VAERT charity corp. I demonstrated I reliably kept 91B on behalf of donors, therefore as long as you don't surpass such amount you'd feel safe.

Meester Pink
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:56:00 - [1220]
 

Wow. Charging more described as being "fearless." That's some serious spin there.

Appalling.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:57:00 - [1221]
 

Originally by: G0rdon Gekko
Edited by: G0rdon Gekko on 23/06/2011 12:40:38
Just thought I'd swing by and say that I have no idea why you guys are getting so angry about all this. Personally I think it's good to see that CCP are engaging their staff with publications like this and encouraging them to explore innovation. The two articles were clearly polarised and deliberately provocative to provoke debate. Those of you who are taking them literally really need to loosen up your neckties.



8/10 LaughingLaughing

HEY CCP! Valued members of your community are expressing their displeasure. Former CSMs have vowed to unsub if this document is true. People who contribute so much to your player-driven marketing, like:
Helicity Boson (organizer of Hulkageddon)
Liang Nuren (the best damn forum ***** I've ever seen)
Malcanis (creator of the infamous Malcanis' Law)
and many others are fed up with your bull****. The least this great playerbase - which has taken you so much further than you ever thought you could go - deserves is a response.


Morwennon
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:58:00 - [1222]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don't have much of a clue in business


Holy crap, a good post by Jade. Shocked

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:58:00 - [1223]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

If you are totally desperate you can just send stuff to my listed VAERT charity corp.



Why do CCPs tax write-offs for them?
Let them sort out their own tax ****.

Pistonbroke
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:59:00 - [1224]
 

100% agree with Jade.

greedy slippery slope here.

make it go away.

Ric Darn
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:00:00 - [1225]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine


...true words...



This!

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:00:00 - [1226]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

If you are totally desperate you can just send stuff to my listed VAERT charity corp.



Why do CCPs tax write-offs for them?
Let them sort out their own tax ****.


old troll is old

CCP stated they don't use the charities for tax benefits as they don't donate in the name of CCP but in the name of the EVE players.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:01:00 - [1227]
 

Originally by: Miilla


There are lots of people with much more than that in aggregate




This is a large part of whats driving the changes IMHO. People always say "someone has paid for your PLEX, so CCP get paid". This is quite true but he might have paid for it a year ago - at worst it is a one month service liability for CCP and they have no idea when that might be used. Making it an in-game item last year probably means it ceased to be a liability on the books in accounting terms but its still a potential liability regarding a future unspecified obligation to provide the service.

It makes financial planning a bloody nightmare as you have no idea whether someone will use it for a sub or not in any given month.

So first CCP make it destroyable (making it properly in-game) so there's the possibility of never having to provide anything for the RL cost of the PLEX. Now we have vanity items - there's another "doesn't cost CCP anything" option. Then if that hasn't solved it then go nuclear by selling ships. faction ammo, standings etc.

The very best thing you could do if you wish to **** off CCP is to keep all your PLEX and then use them to pay for subs in an organised manner such that it deprived CCP of income over a period of months. Not something I'd bother with myself but its an option.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:01:00 - [1228]
 

Originally by: Meester Pink
Wow. Charging more described as being "fearless." That's some serious spin there.

Appalling.


It does take bravery to not fear being unemployed in the worst world wide economy and job market in 80 years.

But it is a bravado that is several miles across the border of stupidity.

CCP has (or had) a good thing going in EVE, something that would have retained customer loyalty and continued to make them money for many more years. They just dumped all that in the toilet for a quick shameless cash grab.

Surely they can't be that dumb? Could CCP have seriously overstretched their resources in trying to do DUST and World of Twilight at the same time? As in spent themselves into debt, and only overly monetizing EVE will allow them to survive?

If they were that stupid, let them fail. I sure as hell aren't paying them to develop games I have no interest in playing whatsoever. And I resent my money that has gone into EVE not going BACK into EVE.


Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:01:00 - [1229]
 

Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
...lots of things...


I tend to agree on all counts (a scary notion for the pair of us, I know).

The fact of the matter is that it's been just over a day since release of Incarna.

I'll wait to see what gets fixed, rolled out, polished and repaired in the coming patches before I resort to throwing my toys around.





Isn't the issue here the attitude and opinion of some senior CCP employees, rather than the patch itself?

Looking for a job?

Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:02:00 - [1230]
 

Edited by: Adrie Atticus on 23/06/2011 13:02:01
May I remind you all that nordic dwellers have this thing called "Midsummer Festival" which kinda started today and will span until monday?

There's a chance that CCP offices in europe have already been turned into a huge bonfire and they just "misplaced" their computers onto that heap of burning fail.


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