| Author |
Topic |
Marshiro |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [ 121]
Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat.
Win7 32bit
T4400
Radeon HD4570
2GB RAM |
Zachstar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [ 122]
 Originally by: Marshiro
Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat.
Win7 32bit
T4400
Radeon HD4570
2GB RAM
That means the cooling on the laptop is unable to handle the max TDP of all its components. Either due to dust, failure of fans, failure of thermal paste, design failure (MANY seem to assume that MAX TDP will never be reached) Or a combination. NOT CCPs fault. |
caldar ian
Final Destination. |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [ 123]
Incarna fried my pc last night.
Motherboard:
CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 3000 MHz (15 x 200) 6000+
NF520T ASUS Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 6100-4xx, AMD Hammer
Video Adapter ATI Radeon hd5700
4gb RAM |
Ryback Storm |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [ 124]
Had to post to clear up a few misconceptions.
EVE Cannot cause your CPU/GPU to overheat, only inadequate cooling, over-volting or other hardware issues can.
The client may be resource-hungry now but that has no bearing on your system stability. If your machine is unable to handle 100% usage of its components then it's no fault of CCP.
I suggest you download some benchmarking/stability testing tools and tweak your setup.
It's not possible for EVE to increase your CPU, GPU, MB voltage etc or anything else that would increase the temperature beyond stable levels, that's not how a PC works.
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Ter'nak |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:16:00 - [ 125]
You know, I'm usually the first to be bashing CCP in threads like this, and I pretty much hate every aspect of CQ as it stands today. WiS would be fine, walking in an ugly room isn't. But anyway.
I've got a laptop. It's three years old. I get 30fps in-station (windowed, 1440x900), vsync-capped outside. My GPU is... Oh, 75-80 degrees C or so, and my CPU is 51 degrees in space and ~60 in-station. None of my fans are even screaming, like they often do in many games. And before you go whining about my temperature being high - well, I've had GPU temps of 100 degrees C. Yes, my video card burns out every 12-18 months or so, but warranties are nice.
Looks like you just need to cool your rig properly, and EVE cannot magically make it hotter than everything else - if your CPU can't stand sitting at 100% for extended periods, you've really mucked up your build. Also, while I haven't kept up to speed on AMD CPUs lately (because, well, AMD hasn't kept up to speed on the performance), it'd truly shock and surprise me if it had a Tjmax of 62 degrees C. If it really has, either AMD is overvolting their CPUs something fierce from the factory, or it's so cautiously specced it's silly.
Also, lol. Your desktop with 12 fans runs hotter than my laptop with three, and at roughly the same speed. (2x8800mGTX, C2D T9500) |
Daelorn |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 - [ 126]
Edited by: Daelorn on 22/06/2011 09:21:31 Originally by: LordInvisible
Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: LordInvisible
Same here:
Core i7
HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM
8GB RAM
Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49° avg temp.
After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52°avg temp.
I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time..
Why? Your CPU should be able to handle 100% load and whatever temperature that brings. Otherwise your cooling is inadequate. This goes for all your components. If they can not handle being run at 100% all day then it is NOT CCP's problem.
Also 52 is really low anyways.
If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself.
Did u even read what i wrote? The point is that there is high increase of both load and temperatures from running 4 clients before and ONE client now. I didnt not run 4 clients yet.
Ohh, and maybe i dont want eve burning 100% of my cpu, some of us multitask and for example photoshop takes some of my cpu activity with it too.
And dont give me **** about play only eve or do other stuff: i have 3 monitors to use and EvE is boring lately.
I read what you wrote. You know what there is a increase in load? Because Incarna uses a new engine and its more demanding than anything else in EVE... more maybe its just poorly coded! Ohh guess what? I use photoshop too! But you know how computers work right? Even under 100% CPU they can multitask! But you know EVE IS NOT even using 100% of CPU? I'm on a old Core2Duo running at 50% load at 45c. I'm sure your amazing i7 can handle it if you built your system properly, which is actually seems you did with those temperatures. But it seems you don't know much about computers if you wrote that you're scared to fire up more clients because you're using 45% CPU and getting 52c, which I'll stay again, is still pretty cold for that processor. You have 3 monitors? Congratu-****ing-lations for putting some useless info. If EVE is boring you then what are you still doing here? Heres a link to account management. Go cancel. |
WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 - [ 127]
Windows 7 64bit
8800 GTX
4 gigs ram
Im getting 32 FPS in station and the usual 60 outside on interval one. Thats with everything on high and antialiasing on medium. No fans whirring, no temp increase. And its a fairly old DELL xps 720. Happy camper. |
Jaxom Asgard |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [ 128]
While it might be poorly configured hardware that is causing the issues people are reporting, it might equally be that in some cases the new graphics engine, drivers and hardware might be combining to causing issues, as these nvidia drivers did, NOT everyone had issues but there were a lot of people that burnt out graphics cards because of these drivers. Cooked Graphic cards due to bad drivers |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:37:00 - [ 129]
Edited by: Zora''e on 22/06/2011 09:46:06Edited by: Zora''e on 22/06/2011 09:42:42 Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Marshiro
Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat.
Win7 32bit
T4400
Radeon HD4570
2GB RAM
That means the cooling on the laptop is unable to handle the max TDP of all its components. Either due to dust, failure of fans, failure of thermal paste, design failure (MANY seem to assume that MAX TDP will never be reached) Or a combination.
NOT CCPs fault.
Zachstar let me ask you something. If there is nothing wrong with this expansion then explain to my why my work system handles space fine, but gets dangerously hot running cq, and my home system runs space worse but runs cq better? Specs below reposted from another thread: My work system: Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Thermaltake Xaser VI ATX Full-Tower Case (5 140mm fans and 2 120mm fans) GIGABYTE GA-870A-USB3 AMD 870 Motherboard AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition AM3 CPU Thermaltake CLP0564 Frio Dual 120mm Universal CPU Cooler Corsair XMS PC10600 RAM - 8GB, DDR3 Coolmax CL-700B CL Power Supply EVGA GeForce GTX 465 1gig superclocked GPU Zalman VF3000F GPU cooler. This is my work machine. I brought it home to run Incarna. It still gets hot even with non stock CPU and GPU cooling, 7 case fans and cleaned out of all dust and insects (found an 8" long dead centipede in the case lol). CPU isn't overclocked, and GPU is factory overclocked. Now, my 'normal' home machine isn't quite as nice. And surprisingly, it runs Incarna cooler than my work machine, probably because I have the case open with a desk fan directed into the case to help get cooler air to the CPU and GPU cooling fans. My home system: Windows 7 Home Premiu x64 Standard ATX Midcase, no bells or whistles. Asus M2N-SLI <Green> Motherboard (yeah I know, it's old) AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (2 CPUs), ~2.6GHz (ditto) ZEROtherm Butterfly BTF90 CPU cooler 8gigs DDR2 PC6400-800 ram EVGA GT430 1 gig card Here is the kicker. My work machine runs worse than my home machine with lower frames per second while docked. Runs hotter (unless I open the case and direct the desk fan into it, and then the temps are only marginally hotter due to a more powerful system overall). In space is where the real difference shows up. My work system smokes my home system massively in space. Full graphics, three clients, no hiccups or lag. Dock, and that is where the excrement hits the rotating air distribution device and sprays it all over. Heat skyrockets in both the CPU and GPU (CPU to almost dangerous levels). In space my home system handles two clients with minimal graphics 'ok' whereas before I could run three clients with medium graphics w/o a hitch, and three clients with maxxed graphics with not real issues. Just seems to me that there is deff a problem here and I am buggered if I can figure out wtf it is. I KNOW my cooling is sufficient on my work machine, and that the air movement within the case is more than enough to keep things cool. *shakes head*. Meh. *edit* My work system is still running within design parameters heat wise with GPU and CPU running full out, however I do have cooling issues as I live in Hawaii and my computer room Ambient temps are often 30c (85f) so any cooling my systems have to do is kinda gimped because of that. *edit2* Running 3 clients with low graphics isn't a problem except for the CPU, even with my cooling system, due to local ambient temps, it struggles to shed the heat. Not really CCP's problem, but I had no issues with heat before this 'expansion'. |
joshua mckayne
Amarr
Midnight Clockwork
The Obsidian Front |
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:45:00 - [ 130]
im using a
intel Q9550 overclocked to 3.4gz
8GB RAM
NVIDIA GTX 480
and of course windows 7 x64
no problems here, actually runs a lot cooler than when i play crysis 2 and if anything i hardly detected any changes. the only newish part in my computer in the last 2 years is my graphics card and even then temps are well below spec on max graphics. if you lose hardware to this game i must hand my hat off to you for being incompetent at overclocking or simply designing a bad computer.
to those complaining on the high temps with intel or nvidia hardware, suck it easy. intel temps on my old hardware average at 45-50C and as far as the new processors from intel are concerned those absolutely frigid temperatures. Nvidia gtx 480/580 average at above 60-90C depending on load and clock speeds. |
Joroc Senbel
Caldari
Senbel Technologies |
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:03:00 - [ 131]
Originally by: Solomon XI
CCP,
I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below.
Windows7 x64
4GB RAM
nVidia EVGA GTX 460
Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E
It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG.
Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off.
Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS.
CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.
What the hell happened?
I have pretty much the exact same system, with the exception of the Phenom II with an i5 instead. Incarna runs like a freakin champ. GPU temp 62 full settings. |
Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:47:00 - [ 132]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/06/2011 10:51:03
In an ideal world PC makers would build rigs that are designed to cope with 100% CPU & GPU load for unlimited time.
In practice PC makers like to cut costs wherever possible and as most users will never put 100% load on their rig for more than short spikes skipping on cooling is an obvious choice.
(customers also like quiet PCs and quiet & powerful cooling tends to be expensive)
At the very least since the SC2 issues game developers are aware that many of their customers have setups that cannot cope with 100% GPU load.
For the customer it doesn't matter whether the game did cause the overheating or whether it just triggered a condition that is due to bad PC design/engineering.
As long as the customer experience in EVE is worse than in other games (which probably don't push the hardware to its limits) this is CCP's problem - no matter who "really" is at fault.
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Romay |
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:30:00 - [ 133]
So let me put this straight:
Some of you guys bought cars. Said cars have a top speed of 100mph.
At 30-60mph, your tires came off and you crashed.
Now you are blaming the guy from the gas station, imputing his fuel was souped up.
Yeah, makes perfectly sense.
Guys there is something like a TDP for every component in your PC.
NO SOFTWARE WHATSOEVER is able to fry a properly engineered rig as long as it doesn't tamper with system settings. This is not how software works.
A properly built rig should handle 100% load on all cores as well as on the GPU for days.
If it doesn't then it is ill designed and would have blown up sooner or later anyways.
Consider the following options:
1. your rig is full of dust and needs to be cleaned
2. you built your rig yourself without knowing enough about proper cooling
3. you got ripped off with some OC'd components or under-dimensioned cooling
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:56:00 - [ 134]
What it comes down to is improper coding on CCP's part. The fact is a station environment should not push a Phenom II X4 to it's limit so quickly. No other game I know of does that, not even Crysis.
I want a CCP Developer's response to this thread. *Commencing daily thread-naught.* |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:58:00 - [ 135]
Bump. |
Neo Omni
Gallente |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:00:00 - [ 136]
Originally by: Solomon XI
What it comes down to is improper coding on CCP's part. The fact is a station environment should not push a Phenom II X4 to it's limit so quickly. No other game I know of does that, not even Crysis.
I want a CCP Developer's response to this thread. *Commencing daily thread-naught.*
I'm with you Solomon. Four days left in my sub. I would like CCP to address these complaints in a professional manner and not sweep it under the rug. I'm just glad my MB was still under warranty (36 months). But I refuse to fire up Incarna gain with it and wont trust CCP again with any other product until there is a change in management/coders. Which means I wont be back. |
SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:07:00 - [ 137]
Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence
Windows 7 64bit
8800 GTX
4 gigs ram
Im getting 32 FPS in station and the usual 60 outside on interval one. Thats with everything on high and antialiasing on medium. No fans whirring, no temp increase. And its a fairly old DELL xps 720. Happy camper.
Your cheating..., 8800gtx is no weak card :) |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:12:00 - [ 138]
BUMP. |
eXeCutA |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:19:00 - [ 139]
FREE BUMP |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:24:00 - [ 140]
Bump. |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:32:00 - [ 141]
Bump. |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:36:00 - [ 142]
bump |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:39:00 - [ 143]
b u m p. |
Ana Vyr
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:40:00 - [ 144]
Windows 7 64 bit
AMD PHENOM II X4 AM3 965 3.4 GHz
ASUS EAH 5770 CU CORE, 1GB, DDR5 (graphics card ATI chipset)
Nothing to report here. Incarna ran fine with all settings maxed. SC2 taxes this system more than incarna does.
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Reeno Coleman |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:44:00 - [ 145]
confirming, CQ is drawing far too much graphics performance for some reason.
GF 470 GTX runs high settings with 60fps capped at 95% peak performance (thats jet engine mode). Considering, there's not really much to see, that is unacceptable. Compared to CQ, my rig is almost "idling" when runnning games like SC2, Witcher2, Crysis2,...
Which feature is it that tries to kill my GPU? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:47:00 - [ 146]
Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 16:03:08Confirming that even a crappy console port like Crysis 2 gets better FPS compared to the EVE CQ environment at maxed-out graphics settings for both, and it actually looks BETTER while doing that. Welcome to some time ago - what to do so CQ isn't universally hated.CQ is sort of nice, I guess. But lack of options, mandatory nature = INSTAHATE You guys never listen early enough nor make noise strong enough when it matters. Guess what, even the "(do not) load station environment" is supposed to be TEMPORARY only.  HELL, IDEALLY, CQ WOULD BE A STATION SERVICE BUTTON IN THE OLD HANGAR, and therefore fully optional, but in case CCP insists on keeping CQ the default environment to promote their MT-shop venture : * MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all * STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ * OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu |
Vult
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:49:00 - [ 147]
Oh quit your whining...
Laptop:
i7-720QM
6GB DDR3
ATI 4850 1GB GDDR5 dedicated
50-60 fps in space. 20-30 fps in CQ. All settings maxed.
Proc and mobo run a warm 60-ish celcius with graphics on full with Incarna. Fan on the graphics card side of the laptop runs full tilt for obvious reasons. Fan on the processor side runs at idle speed, sometimes the next step up if it's processing a bunch of stuff.
Desktop:
Antec 900 case
i7-950 with a ridiculous Thermaltake Frio heatsink and 2x 120mm fans on the heatsink alone
6GB DDR3
nVidia GTX275 (I know, bottleneck)
Bunch of other crap
60 fps in space. 40-ish fps in CQ with everything maxed.
tl;dr: My stuff runs fine. No overheating. If your stuff overheats, you're a noob for blaming Eve. lrn2cool, plskthx. |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:52:00 - [ 148]
Looking for a CCP Developer to chime in. BUMP. |
KurnKuku
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:56:00 - [ 149]
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L Salander |
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:59:00 - [ 150]
*Delete boot.uni
Make such problematic and unoptimised code that cpus/gpus burn out*
Seriously CCP... wtf |
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