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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance |
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:02:00 - [ 91]
 Originally by: Syndeq
Edited by: Syndeq on 22/06/2011 04:46:02
Did some playing around with settings and a few other cards. The issue appears to be specific to some models of Nvidia cards while others will work perfectly fine. Could possibly be a driver issue (all my testing was done with the most recent WHQL drivers, 275.33) though most likely it is just that the default fan profile on some series Nvidia cards suck. Below are some results of my testing.
Disclaimers:
All tests were done with stock fan profiles (obviously cranking fans would change results, but not everyone knows how to do this).
CPU is an i7 2600k which did not heat up more than expected.
These tests were not done to be completely accurate. If you want better/more thorough tests, run them yourself.
470GTX: hit 92C after about 10 seconds in CQ, slowly went up from there after a few minutes. Dont really care what it maxed at as it stayed within the temp threshold for this CPU (105C per NV  )... yay nvidia! 
285GTX: stayed at about 74C in CQ the whole test.
9800GTX: bounced between 77C and 78C the whole time I walked around in station.
HD6950: Swapped drives to a ATI review drive and popped this thing in. This card has shaders unlocked to a 6970 and is OC'd a bit. Didnt get above 65C.
From this small set of tests one can conclude that the heat levels are within spec, the 400 series (or maybe just the 470's) run extremely hot and either EvE is doing something with Nvidia cards that it does not do with ATI/AMD Radeons or Nvidia cards in general just run a bit warm.
TLDR: Nvidia cards with the stock fan profile may be able to fry an egg in CQ. Look into increasing fan speeds, or go by an ATI card  .
Your answer is right here: SSAO is disabled on all video cards except NVIDIA cards. ILR is disabled on Windows XP machines that use ATI GPU’s. Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled. See my post here for effects of changes to client performance. I didn't mention, but with all those changes, my GPU was running at a steady 53c as usual. Prior to changes, with 2 clients running in Windowed mode, or single client in Full-screen mode, my GPU was hitting ~67c tops. For reference, it's an EVGA 460 GTX SC. CPU usage is high, without a doubt, capping at ~38% through all tests and play. Obviously, client-side load has gotten higher, and some optimizations would be helpful. 32% is about the max I hit in Brink in full combat with max settings. |
adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak |
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:05:00 - [ 92]
My GPU (8800GT (yeah it's getting old, but still runs everything in the gaming world just fine at 60 fps)), doesn't have any temperature issues, didn't really go higher than 50-55 (depends where I'm looking in CQ). It's not a stock fan though, however it's only about 10-15C lower than a stock fan.
My processor however is GOING UTTERLY INSANELY HOT! I got a quad 9850 BE, while also somewhat aging hits 60C after 10 minutes with the fan running at full speeds (61C is reccomended max, and silicon really doesn't like extended temperatures over 60 anyway), UNDOCKED and it's running at lower 40's, bouncing a bit between 41-44C.
Not to mention when docked and in CQ my CPU USAGE IS AT 50-60%!!!!! WTF!!!?!?!??? Undocked doesn't come even remotely close to that when running 3(!) clients opposed to merely 1 in CQ!
I havn't had the guts to see what running three clients in CQ would do to my CPU temps....
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Syndeq |
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:14:00 - [ 93]
Originally by: Mars Theran
Your answer is right here:
SSAO is disabled on all video cards except NVIDIA cards.
ILR is disabled on Windows XP machines that use ATI GPU’s.
Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled.
See my post here for effects of changes to client performance. I didn't mention, but with all those changes, my GPU was running at a steady 53c as usual. Prior to changes, with 2 clients running in Windowed mode, or single client in Full-screen mode, my GPU was hitting ~67c tops. For reference, it's an EVGA 460 GTX SC.
CPU usage is high, without a doubt, capping at ~38% through all tests and play. Obviously, client-side load has gotten higher, and some optimizations would be helpful. 32% is about the max I hit in Brink in full combat with max settings.
Correct on SSAO, other 2 would not apply as I am on Win7. As I mentioned, I didnt give it much thought, just ran a few tests on cards I had sitting on my desk. If I implied that I had an issue with the temps then that was incorrect. It is still somewhat surprising the amount of temp increase only for SSAO if that is the only factor. My thought is that is only a part of it as it did not seem this bad on sisi. The main point of my post though was that the temps are within Nvidia's max temp limit and that people should look into changing the garbage stock fan profile. |
Syndeq |
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:16:00 - [ 94]
Originally by: adriaans
My GPU (8800GT (yeah it's getting old, but still runs everything in the gaming world just fine at 60 fps)), doesn't have any temperature issues, didn't really go higher than 50-55 (depends where I'm looking in CQ). It's not a stock fan though, however it's only about 10-15C lower than a stock fan.
My processor however is GOING UTTERLY INSANELY HOT! I got a quad 9850 BE, while also somewhat aging hits 60C after 10 minutes with the fan running at full speeds (61C is reccomended max, and silicon really doesn't like extended temperatures over 60 anyway), UNDOCKED and it's running at lower 40's, bouncing a bit between 41-44C.
Not to mention when docked and in CQ my CPU USAGE IS AT 50-60%!!!!! WTF!!!?!?!??? Undocked doesn't come even remotely close to that when running 3(!) clients opposed to merely 1 in CQ!
I havn't had the guts to see what running three clients in CQ would do to my CPU temps....
See Mars Theran's link in the post above yours. The card does not support certain things the game uses and is being offloaded to the CPU. Going through those steps should help a bit (they certainly wont hurt). |
adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak |
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 - [ 95]
Originally by: Syndeq
Originally by: adriaans
My GPU (8800GT (yeah it's getting old, but still runs everything in the gaming world just fine at 60 fps)), doesn't have any temperature issues, didn't really go higher than 50-55 (depends where I'm looking in CQ). It's not a stock fan though, however it's only about 10-15C lower than a stock fan.
My processor however is GOING UTTERLY INSANELY HOT! I got a quad 9850 BE, while also somewhat aging hits 60C after 10 minutes with the fan running at full speeds (61C is reccomended max, and silicon really doesn't like extended temperatures over 60 anyway), UNDOCKED and it's running at lower 40's, bouncing a bit between 41-44C.
Not to mention when docked and in CQ my CPU USAGE IS AT 50-60%!!!!! WTF!!!?!?!??? Undocked doesn't come even remotely close to that when running 3(!) clients opposed to merely 1 in CQ!
I havn't had the guts to see what running three clients in CQ would do to my CPU temps....
See Mars Theran's link in the post above yours. The card does not support certain things the game uses and is being offloaded to the CPU. Going through those steps should help a bit (they certainly wont hurt).
Yeah noticed it right after posting ^^ It's pretty much what I ended up at after a little fiddling around... CPU still gets too hot after a long period when using CQ though... Not that I'm a big fan of it, but still would've been nice to be able to use something I most certainly meet requirements for (and only heat of cpu being the issue)... |
Nykky Syxx |
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 - [ 96]
I'm rocking an old E4400 CPU and 9800GT card. And CQ has not been a MUCH of a problem.
In station, one client, 35-50 FPS on medium settings. Two clients, about 15 FPS.
Two clients, in space, 50-60 FPS.
My card temp heated to a toasty 90C when I first loaded CQ, but no longer goes above 78-80 (regardless of number of clients and whether or not in station). |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 - [ 97]
BUMP. |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:24:00 - [ 98]
CCP Dev paying attention? |
Lelob |
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:25:00 - [ 99]
Be careful about offering help in this thread people, before you know it, it might cost you 99$ or 1 monocle+skirt. |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:46:00 - [ 100]
Bump. |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:01:00 - [ 101]
Bump. |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:11:00 - [ 102]
bumpidy bump bump. |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:24:00 - [ 103]
Bump. I'm also going to bed. However don't mistake this for the end of this topic. When I awaken, I shall commence further carpet bombing of this thread. Until I receive an honest reply from a Developer, I will maintain this thread. I swear it. Goodnight CCP & thank you for breaking Eve again.  |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:33:00 - [ 104]
Hm. Still no developer response. Figures.  |
octahexx Charante |
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:40:00 - [ 105]
bump somethings wrong with eve and amd cpus |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:02:00 - [ 106]
 Bump. |
LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:07:00 - [ 107]
Same here:
Core i7
HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM
8GB RAM
Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49° avg temp.
After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52°avg temp.
I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time.. |
Zephyr Paseshift
Gallente
Solar Imperia
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:10:00 - [ 108]
Just checked out CQ, normally my GPU-temp is between 60C & 70C when playing eve but now it hits 85c with 2 clients.
I have a GTX275 |
Jim Bond
Suicide Squad Industries
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:12:00 - [ 109]
I think CCP has been testing this expansion on PS3 specced machines and have got mixed up with Dust. |
Daelorn |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:13:00 - [ 110]
Originally by: LordInvisible
Same here:
Core i7
HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM
8GB RAM
Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49° avg temp.
After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52°avg temp.
I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time..
Why? Your CPU should be able to handle 100% load and whatever temperature that brings. Otherwise your cooling is inadequate. This goes for all your components. If they can not handle being run at 100% all day then it is NOT CCP's problem. Also 52 is really low anyways. If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself. |
The Snowman
Gallente
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 - [ 111]
The temperatures and CPU usage im getting isnt anywhere near what I get from all the other mmo's I play.
I didnt buy a high spec machine to have it running at 30% capacity. |
Temerit |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:26:00 - [ 112]
Windows 7 x64
i7 720 with more than adequate cooling
4GB high quality RAM
Radeon 5870 with newest drivers
Motherboard temperature monitor kicked in and instantly turned off my computer, saving CCP from having to buy me new hardware. I'm one of the lucky ones.
Incarna is trash. |
Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:33:00 - [ 113]
I will also be ensuring this thread gets attention.
I play on a laptop that has heat issues already, so I keep it on a stand to improve airflow below it.
Pre-Patch I'd open Eve and the core temp would go up from about 45-50c to about 65c accross about 15-20mins. If it got over 65c really it'd just turn off. (Literally like power-off).
Post-Patch, open Eve. Temperature increases by about 5c within a minute, power-offs in less than 5.
I will be looking at playing something that isn't made by idiots. |
Dotanaski |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:38:00 - [ 114]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20
Originally by: Morgenholt Blue
Originally by: Solomon XI
CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.
This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC.
And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling.
12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot.
You know it's not only the cooling that decreases the temperature, it's the casing aswell. I have the same cooling as you, yet I'm using a CoolerMaster casing which is designed for games, they're larger and has more room between everything which means it's etter cooled. However I haven't booted Incarna yet. Hearing this i'm quite scared that my new pc, which i bought for Incarna might not even run it o.o 6gig ram AMD Phenom2 X4 840 3,20GHz ATI HD 6770 1GB CoolerMaster Casing, 6 large CoolerMaster vents and the card is selfcooled aswell :c |
EioPago |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:42:00 - [ 115]
My cpu never went past 40 C before Incarna (average room temp of about 25 C).
This morning when I first tried loaded Incarna it went straight to 45 C (room temp below 20 C).
OP is 100% right. |
Jaxom Asgard |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:46:00 - [ 116]
Edited by: Jaxom Asgard on 22/06/2011 08:46:43 Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: LordInvisible
If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself.
Sadly not necessarily the case ask NVDIA about there Nvidia 196.75 GPU drivers, it's possible another issue like this has been uncovered. Hopefully it's being investigated, rather than ignore as 'poor configuration'. |
Dasola
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:54:00 - [ 117]
lol, havent even got arround to update my client yet, thanks to ccp extending extended downtime (no suprise there) and some network issue with my isp (suprise here).
But anyways, sounds like eve could be hazardous to hardware in some cases, witch then again open ccp for lawsuits. After all it was their application that caused overheat.
Have to put on extra monitoring on my computer just to make sure eve dosent fry it, yes i dont have money to buy new computer if this one burns.
Sounds like eves QA department is on early vacation indefinetly then. Cant believe they didint run into overhating issue with all that donated test hardware. |
Daelorn |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 - [ 118]
Edited by: Daelorn on 22/06/2011 09:00:35 Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
I will also be ensuring this thread gets attention.
I play on a laptop that has heat issues already, so I keep it on a stand to improve airflow below it.
Pre-Patch I'd open Eve and the core temp would go up from about 45-50c to about 65c accross about 15-20mins. If it got over 65c really it'd just turn off. (Literally like power-off).
Post-Patch, open Eve. Temperature increases by about 5c within a minute, power-offs in less than 5.
I will be looking at playing something that isn't made by idiots.
How about buying something that isn't made by idiots. For some reason laptop makers make laptops (and get away) that can't handle 100% load from the GPU and CPU. This has NOTHING to do with CCP. Besides that, did you clean dust from your laptop, and you're not playing on a bed or your lap? |
leth ghost |
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 - [ 119]
Laptop got hot within minutes, fan screaming, so just turned eve off, and yeah i know its a laptop but its not even a year old yet and aint cheap. I could run eve yesterday and now i cant as i dont want to risk wrecking my pc. And on top of this im just finishing my free trial and had just paid for my sub if i knew eve would have run like this on my laptop i wouldnt have subbed |
LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
|
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:04:00 - [ 120]
Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: LordInvisible
Same here:
Core i7
HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM
8GB RAM
Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49° avg temp.
After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52°avg temp.
I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time..
Why? Your CPU should be able to handle 100% load and whatever temperature that brings. Otherwise your cooling is inadequate. This goes for all your components. If they can not handle being run at 100% all day then it is NOT CCP's problem.
Also 52 is really low anyways.
If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself.
Did u even read what i wrote? The point is that there is high increase of both load and temperatures from running 4 clients before and ONE client now. I didnt not run 4 clients yet. Ohh, and maybe i dont want eve burning 100% of my cpu, some of us multitask and for example photoshop takes some of my cpu activity with it too. And dont give me **** about play only eve or do other stuff: i have 3 monitors to use and EvE is boring lately. |
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