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Topic |
Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium. |
Posted - 2011.06.22 20:55:00 - [ 271]
This belongs in tech support. Also check your drivers and settings before hand. Just because you are having issues, doesn't mean its messing with everyone. Hardware does not = software performance. But it does = occasional troubleshooting. You have successfully posted another useless thread that made pages of replies. All because people are joining this rage mob to the capital over something they probably haven't thought through. BTW when you start lynching everyone who doesn't share your view, think about how you got there. |
Zachstar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 20:56:00 - [ 272]
 Originally by: Commander IceQ
Originally by: Mystic5hadow
I think there's a problem with your system and not the game.
Then I have a question (with all settings max); Why is my machine going ape (High Temp, High mem usage, High cpu usage) when I am docked, but when I am in space I run my 3 clients without a problem.
And running Portal 2 & Crysis at full blast also doesn't hit my system nearly as hard as 1 EVE Client, and those 2 games have a lot more going on on the screen than just a room with screens. Something is not right with the 3D engine they are using in the CQ.
There is video rendering in the background which is likely CPU based because using UVD or purevideo would cause the card to greatly underclock. The environment is quite detailed. So yes both your CPU and GPU are being stressed. That won't change. |
Navirios |
Posted - 2011.06.22 20:58:00 - [ 273]
Edited by: Navirios on 22/06/2011 21:02:59Okay. Let me stress out my experience. Pre-incarna : was able to play EVE on my A300 toshiba laptop with graphics low/med. Was even able to participate in 0.0 blobs with settings on low. Post-incarna : 5 minutes in CQ makes my GPU able to boil a ****ing egg! Even with all settings on low I feel that my laptop is ready to explode. ccp seriously ?  edit : cant test new patch on my PC yet, but on Duality with a GT 430 card things were pretty bad while docked. When undocked I have 60fps with all settings on high .... |
Cpt Rev
Gallente
Rudel Taktik
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:01:00 - [ 274]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02
Bump.
Originally by: Cpt Rev
So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C.
I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons.
If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm.
GPU temps....CPU has been running about 67C |
Max Aggro
Gallente
BPC Trader's
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:02:00 - [ 275]
I'm one of the guys who hardly undocks and just sits ship spinning and changing market orders. I now can't ship spin and have around half a second delay on clicking in the market, scrolling and typing etc...
gg ccp ty cya |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [ 276]
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Zachstar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [ 277]
Originally by: Navirios
Edited by: Navirios on 22/06/2011 21:02:59
Okay. Let me stress out my experience.
Pre-incarna : was able to play EVE on my A300 toshiba laptop with graphics low/med.
Was even able to participate in 0.0 blobs with settings on low.
Post-incarna : 5 minutes in CQ makes my GPU able to boil a ****ing egg! Even with all settings on low I feel that my laptop is ready to explode. ccp seriously ?
edit : cant test new patch on my PC yet, but on Duality with a GT 430 card things were pretty bad while docked. When undocked I have 60fps with all settings on high ....
That only means your laptop's cooling needs servicing or redesign. Not CCPs fault. I can run CQ just fine on an overclocked 7300GT and 90nm Windsor core from years ago (Backup PC) Not great FPS but not the disaster people are making it out to be. |
Cpt Rev
Gallente
Rudel Taktik
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:10:00 - [ 278]
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:18:00 - [ 279]
Edited by: Dograzor on 23/06/2011 05:03:53
Edited by: Dograzor on 22/06/2011 21:49:08
I do notice an increase in GPU heat with CQ & Incarna compared to Incursion. Compared with other (high end) games it is higher, but still manageable. Still, heat increases, especially what others describe do worry me. You guys are the whiz kids, figure out whats wrong with it, especially since you put the GTX 460 up as recommended card... And from what I read the -+56 temp is what its supposed to be at for the 768 version from EVGA.
System:
I5 760
EVGA GTX 460 768mb
4gig DDR3 Ram
Temperature while playing Incarna: 63 Degrees C
Temperature while heavy loaded with other games (Crysis D10 Max, Dragon Age II Dx11 High Texture, max) 54C.
Still not in the range of what others are experiencing, but there is an definite increase compared to pre Incarna & other games.
EDIT: Confirming CPU Temp load while running 2x Clients: 82 Degrees C. This makes me nervous. Its higher then usual, and I dont like it.
EDIT EDIT: Compared CPU Temp with Dragon Age II Dx11 High Res pack with graphics maxed. DA2 takes the CPU temp up to a maximum of 71 degrees. Running 2x clients of Eve takes it to 82 degrees. This is unacceptable.
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ISKSUCKER |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:18:00 - [ 280]
@ solomon XI they probably don´t give a ferk until they see that a lot of people give up. As you can see in the other pages of the forum they just say something now and than. The people that lost hardware will never have any compensation only frustration. |
Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:19:00 - [ 281]
Now i've played with the settings in graphics and display as i like to double and triple box to do what i want... Processor - AMD athlon II x4 630 processor 3.50GHZ 4 GB ram good quality ATI raedon HD 5700 graphics card 64 bit etc etc Plus suitable cooling afew fans nothing fancy... YES i can play 1 SINGLE account on HIGH maxed out settings with CQ very nice, double boxing makes the cpu/ram red line and the fans scream for mercy So i set Graphics and display to performance optimizing and turned off station enviroment lo and behold i'm double boxing again  and holding stable... triple boxing with this setting is cpu bursting 'n' push's the ram into the red. I could get away with it if i set all to low demand graphics... but whats the point when ya running an alright system  i could install 2 new 1 GB rams maxing at 6GB of ram to deal with any of those issues and should run yellow lining it.... but i don't like that for endurance gaming. Well thats my 2 cents worth. |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:28:00 - [ 282]
Bump |
Dante Kesel
Caldari
Chaos Theory Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:33:00 - [ 283]
One solution I've come across was lowering the ambient temp by about 10 degrees Fahrenheit, reducing anti aliasing to low, set cpu fan speed at 50% instead of 26% when running games. Raising the GPU Fan Speed to 50% instead of 30%. Because of that eve runs at 49c with two clients everything else max except anti allaising while in space. In station with both I'm sitting at 52c. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 - [ 284]
Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 22/06/2011 21:35:04 Originally by: Zachstar
Edited by: Zachstar on 22/06/2011 20:54:01
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Zachstar
Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault.
Yes, except that across my corp of hardcore PC enthusiasts, the same ridiculous temperature problems are being reported. My rig runs Prime95 fine for the 12 hours necessary to ensure stability and I have issues.
There is no way EVE online can push a core past the TDP of its speed. It cant beat Prime95. Unless you have direct evidence EVE online is.
A)Directly increasing the voltage of your GPU or CPU
B)Decreasing fan speed
C)Overclocking the GPU or CPU.
Then dont claim it is CCPs fault for damages.
I realize nothing pushes harder than Prime95 or OCCT etc. I'm not claiming anything is CCP's fault except for the apparently poor engine code. Prime95 runs and EVE with CQ doesn't. That's a fact. Hence, there is certainly something wrong with the code, not my cooling. It just seems to get very hot. |
Circumstantial Evidence |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:35:00 - [ 285]
Running one client:
Peak 58c CPU temp seen in CQ, at start position after docking, looking down the long corridor at the display screens.
Temp measured by CoreTemp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
Phenom X4 9850 (Agena) 2.5ghz – no overclock.
CPU Cooler - Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro - 92mm fan.
2x 80mm case fans below PSU.
Sapphire ATI 4870 – no overclock, stock HSF.
1600x1200, fullscreen, AA on “high”, interior effects “medium”
29-32 FPS from this position
18-20 FPS after changing interior effects “high” (adds more fog)
I’m definitely happier with CQ FPS when interior effects is at “medium.”
But overall, I have no complaints.
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Constantine Saberinni |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:44:00 - [ 286]
Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 22/06/2011 21:49:20
Theres definately an issue with the CQ.
Im running:
watercooled i7 920 at 4ghz
EVGA GTX 460 SC EE (standard clocks)
Running 1 console. The processor shows a slight bump in heat but nothing out of the ordinary. The GPU however, my god, it gets to 90+ in a matter of minutes and I've had two thermal shut downs!
It may be an inconsistent problem in that not all members are experiencing it but one constant between the members that are experiencing it is the CQ aspect.
Perhaps there should be a disable option until a permanent fix can be made?
Edit: Just found there is a disable option. This definitely helps and prevents the temperatures getting in to the 90's but its still cooking. |
Duvida
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:48:00 - [ 287]
Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence
Running one client:
Peak 58c CPU temp seen in CQ, at start position after docking, looking down the long corridor at the display screens.
Temp measured by CoreTemp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
Phenom X4 9850 (Agena) 2.5ghz – no overclock.
CPU Cooler - Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro - 92mm fan.
2x 80mm case fans below PSU.
Sapphire ATI 4870 – no overclock, stock HSF.
1600x1200, fullscreen, AA on “high”, interior effects “medium”
29-32 FPS from this position
18-20 FPS after changing interior effects “high” (adds more fog)
I’m definitely happier with CQ FPS when interior effects is at “medium.”
But overall, I have no complaints.
I'll have to test the interior effects at medium then. Thanks for that detail. My computer temperature's been spiking with CQ on as well, so I'd turned CQ off completely. (I'd like to not have to replace it just because I play EVE) |
Dante Kesel
Caldari
Chaos Theory Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:51:00 - [ 288]
Originally by: Constantine Saberinni
Theres definately an issue with the CQ.
Im running:
watercooled i7 920 at 4ghz
EVGA GTX 460 SC EE (standard clocks)
Running 1 console. The processor shows a slight bump in heat but nothing out of the ordinary. The GPU however, my god, it gets to 90+ in a matter of minutes and I've had two thermal shut downs!
It may be an inconsistent problem in that not all members are experiencing it but one constant between the members that are experiencing it is the CQ aspect.
Perhaps there should be a disable option until a permanent fix can be made?
Try lowering the Interior effects and the anti Allasising, and see see if you can get the evga precision tool and raise the fan speed of the GPU it might help, stock settings for my 460 are 40% which it can get hot quick at that but at 50% its fine |
KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance |
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:51:00 - [ 289]
Well... looks like CCP don´t give a **** about this... let your hadware burn |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:02:00 - [ 290]
Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 22:03:16
Bumping this thread ... again. I am camping it and it will remain on the front page. I have a small albeit temporary workaround at the moment. I dropped the voltage of my CPU down slightly and the temps are staying down a little more. Still its running way too hot. |
Stormchyld
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:08:00 - [ 291]
Originally by: Otaku Komoko
CCP are hurting themselves with this expansion and the hardware issues it's started.
CCP: Rollback/give option to have ship spinning instead of killing customers' computers.
+1 |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:16:00 - [ 292]
Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's.  |
Mia Aires |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:18:00 - [ 293]
Maybe this helps also. My System: Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz Memory: 6144MB RAM System Model: MS-7350 Card name: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series I also notice a significant increase in temperature In the past I had around while playing EVE Now I have while playing EVE FPS drop from 60 down to 18(lowest) 30fps (highest) with CQ Stable at 60fps in space EVE Closed while doing Office WorkEVE Open for 10min (CQ)Please note: FAN speed is not correct (It shows 100% all the time) |
Mater Dolorosa |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:18:00 - [ 294]
Edited by: Mater Dolorosa on 22/06/2011 22:18:51 Originally by: Solomon XI
Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's.
Just empty the game cash or cache, try both :) |
Faith O'Siras |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:22:00 - [ 295]
Bumpy. |
Dr Prometheus
Caldari
Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 - [ 296]
Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 22/06/2011 22:28:37
Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 22/06/2011 22:27:57
AMD Phenom X4 9950BE @ stock
4 GB Ram DDR2 1066
Radeon HD4870 1 GB DDR5
Pre-Incarna; no problem handling 4 clients at medium high settings.
Post-Incarna:
4 Clients in CQ; Nuclear meltdown, memmory filled to the roof and beyond. Freezing the whole damn thing, temp never gets past the 70 degrees of CPU though.
Capable of running 2 CQ clients, 3rd is possible but it already gets a bit slow.
Outside: Better performance then before.
Post-Incarna with CQ disabled;
4 Clients with no problem.
So CCP please check your CQ. As it seems to be badly optimized. |
Alagondar |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 - [ 297]
ive no hardware problems with 2008 gear. just slightly lower fps in CQ - pc dosnt go into ferrari mode like it did with conan  |
Alexis Sachs |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 - [ 298]
Edited by: Alexis Sachs on 22/06/2011 22:42:15 Originally by: Solomon XI
Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's.
I was posting all this morning (alongside Zachstar - I think I'll begin to diverge from him a bit here) saying how I'd not seen a dramatic rise in temps. I commented that Prime95'ing your system should tell you the real scoop on your temps (well, for the CPU at least) and that likely this is more a cooling issue. Indeed, I still think a lot of this may be due to cooling - my new system built in the last 2 weeks (and thus dust/cable-clutter free) isn't seeing any particular jump in temps. I've mentioned that with CQ running on two clients I do see a noticeable rise in CPU utilization but temps are all in line with my pre-Incarna experience. I've seen at worst a 5 C rise in my GPU temps with two instances of CQ running concurrently (on an ATI 5770 - though I do in fact have my fan cranked up and I know some folks don't like the sound of jet engines running). Having said all that, I'll add that a dev response WOULD be greatly appreciated here in this instance. I think CCP Thrustmaster did post in the issues thread that optimization IS in fact being looked at - but that's a perhaps generic response and you're looking for something far more specific. So, supporting you here. While I may not be having an issue, there is certainly no doubt that many are noticing dramatic increases in temperatures across their cpus and gpus. I still agree with Zachstar in that EVE shouldn't tax your CPU like Prime95 (or other stress/benching software) does and that perhaps EVE here in this instance is highlighting poor cooling on overclocks and the like. But - I seem to recall you saying that you've run Prime95 Solomon. So - something is indeed up with CQ using massive amounts of resources that EVE previously did not. Regardless of my luck in not having issues, I too would like some form of a dev reply - even if it's just "chillax, we know, looking into it." Edit: I listed my specs in another thread, but this one seems to be the popular one atm, so I'll repost my stuff in the case it might be helpful... cpu: i7 2600k @4.3 gpu: radeon HD 5770 1 GB (on the weak side I know compared to many cards today) ram: 16 GB g skill @ 1600 os: win 7 pro 64 Temperature info: I idle on my cpu at 29-32 C across the 4 cores. GPU idles at 39 C (I have my fan running at 70% - yes it whines, I don't notice it due to the much louder window ac sitting 3 feet to the right of my head.) Prior to Incarna, my cpu temps with two clients sat mid 30s to a peak of low-mid 40s depending on what EVE was doing at any given time. For the most part, temps are mid-upper 30s. GPU temp with both clients running max everything (save AA being disabled - I thought ATI + EVE + AA didn't like each other, or so I'd read I thought...) was a steady 52 C. Vsync is on to cap fps to 60. I pretty much saw 50-60 FPS all the time pre-Incarna - in space, in dock. Now, with Incarna, my temps on the CPU sit... pretty much the same (Zalman air cooled). GPU temp with 2 CQs running hits a max of 57 C, with 55 being about the norm. Now, I have disabled CQ because I'm not a fan. I don't need shiny. Doing so drops my GPU temp to my pre-Incarna 52 C. So, I personally haven't seen much of an issue. To be sure, with 2 CQs running my fps is about 30-35 while docked - in space I'm still 50-60. Running a single CQ I get 50-60 fps docked. I hope this info is marginally helpful at least. |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 - [ 299]
I find it so odd that some players don't have issues and others do - even those of us with higher end rigs.  |
Jiska Ensa |
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:33:00 - [ 300]
Didn't bother reading the threadnought this became, so not sure if this was mentioned:
All equipment is engineered with a "safety factor". That said, unless you've changed something, a cpu, gpu, etc should not be capable of "burning out" no matter how long you run it at 100% for.
If this indeed happened to you and you're not trollolololing, then you must have gotten a bad card or tried to overclock it. |
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