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Topic |
northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation |
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:24:00 - [ 31]
Donate to CCP buy plex right? |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:25:00 - [ 32]
 Originally by: Xenuria
If I wanted to directly influence gameplay changes could I not just Buy CCP?
Troll thread, please ignore. |
Kolya Medz
Gallente
PyroStorm Enforcers
STR8NGE BREW |
Posted - 2011.06.16 19:40:00 - [ 33]
donate!? nooo, buy shares in the company so you can tell them what to do!!! |
JVR JVR
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:51:00 - [ 34]
Mate , while CCP has good customer relations (better than most) they exist not to provide a game, but to pay the employees wages, provide a ROI- they exist to make money. If EVE didnt make money it would be gone a long time ago.
It is a business, first and foremost, no website/game that has achieved the scale EVE has lives in a utopia world where the needs of the masses are provided free. EVE is a commodity that is sold for a profit. If you think it should be otherwise then the real world is one day going to hit you quite hard.
EVE will provide what you want, because if it doesnt adapt it wont attract new money, expansions are not done to be nice to the player base, they are done because EVE wants to be top of the game, and attract more paying customers- if it gets stale it dies, and so does the income
EVE is not an ethereal game, EVE pays peoples mortgages, food bills, bar tabs. It does not exist for the players, it provides a service that we are willing to pay. and its ultimate role is to generate income.
EVE will live or die on its expertise to provide the gaming experrience that users desire, but never fool yourself this is in someway a charity, done to provide the gamer the best experience. EVE like every other business will do just enough at the minimum outlay to keep the business viable.
Eve does it better than most, but it is a business and its aim is to make money |
A Ingus |
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:09:00 - [ 35]
Hey there Xenuria, I want an honest response to the following hypothetical question. I want to have your babies, is that OK? ?  |
A Little Girl |
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:13:00 - [ 36]
Hypothetical means Monopoly Money. Nothing to see here, move along bums! |
Mr Kidd |
Posted - 2011.06.16 20:31:00 - [ 37]
Shouldn't this thread have gotten moved to OOPE like the other half dozen just were? Oh wait, it's pandering to the devs....nm. |
Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.06.16 21:41:00 - [ 38]
Originally by: GM Zerat
Edited by: GM Zerat on 16/06/2011 19:24:04
Of course the more money CCP has, the more it can invest in hardware, personnel and other resources. This would help Eve, Dust and WoD and any other gaming projects (you could probably specify that the money only go into Eve development if you wish). CCP is a company made by gamers, and it tries to invest as much money as it can back into the games it's making.
I'm not aware of any great need for donations and I'm not exactly sure how those are handled, but I'm sure it would be of help though. So if you have a few million lying around that you'd like to get rid of for a good cause, feel free to donate  .
Use this page to get in contact with ccp: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/home.aspx
p.s. Don't trust Guard, he's a devious one he is.
On that page there I don't see a paypal Donate button... OR any sort of option to donate.. I have to ask which is the better option? Buying majority stock in CCP or Donating Several Million Directly to CCP and dictating what it is allowed to be used on |
Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:02:00 - [ 39]
Well 2 things that got me worried about how CCP uses their funds:
Having a rap band and that trip with 20000 employees that prob cost a lot with 0 return to game.
So unless you buy CCP raising funds to them will only end in their vodka. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
|
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:07:00 - [ 40]
Originally by: northwesten
Donate to CCP buy plex right?
Yes, that would seem to be the best option. Bonus points if you undock with all the plex on board and self-destruct, just to make sure no-one can ever use them. |
Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:40:00 - [ 41]
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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:43:00 - [ 42]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: northwesten
Donate to CCP buy plex right?
Yes, that would seem to be the best option. Bonus points if you undock with all the plex on board and self-destruct, just to make sure no-one can ever use them.
Actually I have been considering Self Destructing all The Utus in front of Jita just for luls. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
|
Posted - 2011.06.16 23:17:00 - [ 43]
I'd donate a few mil, but only if you can rename my character to CCP Sugar Daddy  |
Gibbo5771 |
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:09:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: GM Zerat
Edited by: GM Zerat on 16/06/2011 19:24:04
Of course the more money CCP has, the more it can invest in hardware, personnel and other resources. This would help Eve, Dust and WoD and any other gaming projects (you could probably specify that the money only go into Eve development if you wish). CCP is a company made by gamers, and it tries to invest as much money as it can back into the games it's making.
I'm not aware of any great need for donations and I'm not exactly sure how those are handled, but I'm sure it would be of help though. So if you have a few million lying around that you'd like to get rid of for a good cause, feel free to donate .
Use this page to get in contact with ccp: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/home.aspx
p.s. Don't trust Guard, he's a devious one he is.
LOL, since fkin when? |
Gwenywell Shumuku |
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:15:00 - [ 45]
Well, to be fair, he didnt say what games....its just not EVE atm. |
trtetds Plaude |
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:50:00 - [ 46]
Edited by: trtetds Plaude on 17/06/2011 07:56:33 Originally by: Gibbo5771
LOL, since fkin when?
Why do you think they aren't investing money into Eve? You think the loads of devs working on Eve and the expansions and patches they keep pumping out are free? |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:59:00 - [ 47]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 17/06/2011 08:00:04 Originally by: GM Zerat
This would help Eve, Dust and WoD and any other gaming projects (you could probably specify that the money only go into Eve development if you wish).
Can I opt-in to only having my EveOnline subscription fee spent on maintaining EveOnline the product I pay subscriptions for you to maintain? |
Iliara Maulerant |
Posted - 2011.06.17 08:43:00 - [ 48]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 17/06/2011 08:00:04
Originally by: GM Zerat
This would help Eve, Dust and WoD and any other gaming projects (you could probably specify that the money only go into Eve development if you wish).
Can I opt-in to only having my EveOnline subscription fee spent on maintaining EveOnline the product I pay subscriptions for you to maintain?
This times 2! |
GM Zerat
 |
Posted - 2011.06.17 08:46:00 - [ 49]
Edited by: GM Zerat on 17/06/2011 22:25:15 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: GM Zerat
This would help Eve, Dust and WoD and any other gaming projects (you could probably specify that the money only go into Eve development if you wish).
Can I opt-in to only having my EveOnline subscription fee spent on maintaining EveOnline the product I pay subscriptions for you to maintain?
My comment was in reference to a hypothetical scenario where a person might want to make a rather gigantic donation to ccp, and I was just speculating there. Having an option to choose which project your subscription fee goes into would probably be impractical. There may be a misconception though that CCP is leaving Eve out to dry or something in favor of other projects, but that's far from the truth. There's been a massive amount of effort put into it these last few years, and that's going to continue for the forseeable future. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School |
Posted - 2011.06.17 09:08:00 - [ 50]
I know the best way to stop trolling
Put red and blue bars on terrible troll threads. THAT WILL SHOW THEM |
Makko Gray
Pheno-Tech Industries
Crimson Wings. |
Posted - 2011.06.17 09:08:00 - [ 51]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 17/06/2011 08:00:04
Originally by: GM Zerat
This would help Eve, Dust and WoD and any other gaming projects (you could probably specify that the money only go into Eve development if you wish).
Can I opt-in to only having my EveOnline subscription fee spent on maintaining EveOnline the product I pay subscriptions for you to maintain?
That would be like asking the store you buy bread from to only use the profits from that to buy more bread - it would be rediculous and no business should run like that. |
John'eh
Gallente
Asteroid Belt Protection Services
|
Posted - 2011.06.17 09:39:00 - [ 52]
Edited by: John''eh on 17/06/2011 09:45:16
Strange that this be posted today, I was just wondering about this.
I plan on being a billionaire, and I was pondering today what I would do with my money to diversify my portfolio... and The idea came to me that I would simply fly to Iceland with a large briefcase full of cash and buy CCP.
But than the biz guy who lives in my head started wondering about the due diligence on such an investment, so I ran some numbers; They told me that CCP really doesn't use its full resources.
My main issue with "buying in" to ccp was that I feel, as an investor, a player, etc, that CCP has severe brain trust issues. I also worry that the lack of effort to hire and retain top technical Dev and QA people - aka people who can code, not just black box testers - speaks volumes about the lack of passion and dedication its employees have and I see this lack as short sightedness that a "real" software company would never make the mistake of. And I worry, as an investor, that management either doesn't have enough "skin in the game" to truly want to be successful or they simply suck at hiring the right people, and are great at not hiring the people they should.
All this translates into short sightedness that has killed many other large, successful companies. Given my personal experience I sort of expected the troubles Eve now has, but I think its a big failure on the part of the CEO and his team to be so non-effective in their positions that the issues they face now are even an issue when they could have been mitigated with proper planning long ago.
So yes, despite the fact that the publicly available data shows that if a player is active for 3 months they stay subbed - and that equates to a pretty solid/stable income stream - that does hurt the viability of CCP and Eve Online as an investment as it adds to the risk.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.06.17 13:15:00 - [ 53]
Originally by: John'eh
Edited by: John''eh on 17/06/2011 09:45:16
Strange that this be posted today, I was just wondering about this.
I plan on being a billionaire, and I was pondering today what I would do with my money to diversify my portfolio... and The idea came to me that I would simply fly to Iceland with a large briefcase full of cash and buy CCP.
But than the biz guy who lives in my head started wondering about the due diligence on such an investment, so I ran some numbers; They told me that CCP really doesn't use its full resources.
My main issue with "buying in" to ccp was that I feel, as an investor, a player, etc, that CCP has severe brain trust issues. I also worry that the lack of effort to hire and retain top technical Dev and QA people - aka people who can code, not just black box testers - speaks volumes about the lack of passion and dedication its employees have and I see this lack as short sightedness that a "real" software company would never make the mistake of. And I worry, as an investor, that management either doesn't have enough "skin in the game" to truly want to be successful or they simply suck at hiring the right people, and are great at not hiring the people they should.
All this translates into short sightedness that has killed many other large, successful companies. Given my personal experience I sort of expected the troubles Eve now has, but I think its a big failure on the part of the CEO and his team to be so non-effective in their positions that the issues they face now are even an issue when they could have been mitigated with proper planning long ago.
So yes, despite the fact that the publicly available data shows that if a player is active for 3 months they stay subbed - and that equates to a pretty solid/stable income stream - that does hurt the viability of CCP and Eve Online as an investment as it adds to the risk.
Cool Story Bro If you know so much about investing then tell me which works out best for me? Buying CCP Buying a controlling Interest Donating |
LLoyd Thomson |
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:39:00 - [ 54]
Edited by: LLoyd Thomson on 17/06/2011 14:56:03 Originally by: Xenuria
Cool Story Bro
If you know so much about investing then tell me which works out best for me?
Buying CCP
Buying a controlling Interest
Donating
d) shutting up?!? |
Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:45:00 - [ 55]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
lol bring up cash and you get not only blue bars but red ones too.
So thats what it takes.
Exactly what I was thinking |
Protokill
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:58:00 - [ 56]
If they have 350,000 subs @ 14.95 a month that equates to $5,250,000 a month or $63,000,000 a year. I'm pretty sure that CCP is doing JUST FINE. lol |
Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
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Posted - 2011.06.17 15:14:00 - [ 57]
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Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162 |
Posted - 2011.06.17 15:14:00 - [ 58]
Originally by: Patient 2428190
I know the best way to stop trolling
Put red and blue bars on terrible troll threads. THAT WILL SHOW THEM
This. |
John'eh
Gallente
Asteroid Belt Protection Services
|
Posted - 2011.06.17 21:13:00 - [ 59]
Originally by: Xenuria
If you know so much about investing then tell me which works out best for me?
Buying CCP
Buying a controlling Interest
Donating
Realistically? CCP is a private company, so you don't have the option of any of them except "donating". But since it is a for profit company an not a charity, you will get no tax benefit from doing so; And if you did anyway CCP doesnt have to listen to you or do as yu ask with the money. Due to this my conclusion was that your best investment in this situation is to use the funds to seed your own company that competes directly with CCP, thereby making them start to worry about things like keeping customers happy. It would be the best way to troll them, improve eve, and also would give you the possibility of creating a title that you could make a return on your investment. |
Sig Sour |
Posted - 2011.06.17 21:21:00 - [ 60]
Nope, but there are plenty of eager developers looking for the funding with ideas and plans and management skills that they could deliver an Eve buster in less time that it takes CCP to fix their super capital ****up. |
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