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Topic |
Sternburg Export
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.02.16 09:53:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 16/02/2005 09:53:09hi folks... many people are complaining about the crappy loot they get from Zor (that Uberebil named pirate  ) yesterday iīve killed him again... and all i got was a "zorīs custom navigation link" implant, a few torps, large projectile ammo  and some other cheap stuff... but zor isnīt "available" during normal chaining.. u donīt meet him in 0.0... u only get him during the "damsel in Distress" mission.. Ok, with a good setup heīs an easy kill, but he spams cmīs like no other NPC i've met. So Plz dear developers, can u give him better Loot? or at least a Usefull Implant, cause the zorīs custom thingy implant isnīt rare anymore... everybody doing level 4 missions owns them but nobody buyīs them ... give him, for example, a "zorīs modified Siege missile launcher" or other modified stuff... and reduce the chance to get this mission so it can become more desirable again... Thx for reading this post... P.S.
I totally understand the loot drops of the other mission npc. so plz change it  p.p.s sry for my english |
Deakgu
Minmatar
DED Rogues |
Posted - 2005.02.16 09:58:00 - [ 2]
dont change the chance of getting damsel, instead change which of 'the seven' spawns in that mission, id suggest a random choice of any of 'the seven' would be more appropriate |
THE SINISTAR
Amarr |
Posted - 2005.02.16 10:57:00 - [ 3]
WTS...18 zors custom navigation link. |
Hujin Tao |
Posted - 2005.02.16 11:07:00 - [ 4]
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Tavernier
MELLOW HUNTERS
RED.OverLord |
Posted - 2005.02.16 11:24:00 - [ 5]
I agree, the implant is a joke... I'm about to stuff a shuttle full of them, give it to an alt and send him out on a eve round trip through 0.0, autopilot and afk...  but IMO, eventhough I've done the damsel in distress mission perhaps 20 times now, I don't quite get tired of it... because of the loot... What Zor drops and what the bunker drops along with the damsel is some of the best loot I've gotten throughout all missions... and that's very nice for a relatively easy level 4 mission  |
Kayinan Malrean
Viziam
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Posted - 2005.02.16 11:55:00 - [ 6]
Hmm. Zor's been kind enough to drop me some sweet named XL shield boosters. Is that bad? |
Arthur Guinness
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers |
Posted - 2005.02.16 12:10:00 - [ 7]
imo he should just drop some random hardwiring.
Or maybe they should add more Zor Hardwirings and add those to his loot table.
Getting the same stupid hardwiring everytime is bit annoying. |
Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc. |
Posted - 2005.02.16 12:22:00 - [ 8]
Heck, just make Zor's implant only require Cybernetics 4 or 3. With a Cybernetics 5 requirement, it is a joke.
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DrZukes
Caldari
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2005.02.16 15:25:00 - [ 9]
agreed cybernetics 5 is too high
on the last time i had this mission the outpost dropped me 9 large named items including 425mm compressed and xl cl-5 booster so can't agree on the poor loot. |
X'Alor |
Posted - 2005.02.16 15:46:00 - [ 10]
people keep saying that implant is worthless are absolutely ignorant if they use AB or MWD. that is 10% on top of your skills to duration. OK so if you are one the smart ones that are on your nav skills to make your cap use more "efficient" then this implant ontop of fuel conservation 5(I forget 5% or 10% per lvl) is like having it trained to lvl 7 if it's 5%, 10% is two lvls of the skill that does that. LEVEL SEVEN..... an xtra 10% duration to your Afterburner at lvl 7 .......... are you people nutz and simply just don't understand what cap efficiency are in for a world of hurt when the hitpoint patch comes. Even if it's lvl 6 ...... that's still an extra lvl of the skill that you can't train. I guess that's only usuable if you use an AB or MWD and how many good set ups use them........  |
Synthemesc
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2005.02.16 15:54:00 - [ 11]
 Originally by: X'Alor
I guess that's only usuable if you use an AB or MWD and how many good set ups use them........
Like noone else ever thought of that? Cybernetics 5 to use it makes it worthless. |
Chee
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2005.02.16 16:39:00 - [ 12]
theres more usefull implants to stick in that slot then zor's ab duration.. |
RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2005.02.16 16:53:00 - [ 13]
what the outposts drops is usually pretty good, I don't mind the zor implant and just leave it in my hanger |
Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc. |
Posted - 2005.02.17 01:06:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: X'Alor
people keep saying that implant is worthless are absolutely ignorant if they use AB or MWD.
that is 10% on top of your skills to duration.
OK so if you are one the smart ones that are on your nav skills to make your cap use more "efficient" then this implant ontop of fuel conservation 5(I forget 5% or 10% per lvl) is like having it trained to lvl 7 if it's 5%, 10% is two lvls of the skill that does that.
LEVEL SEVEN..... an xtra 10% duration to your Afterburner at lvl 7 .......... are you people nutz and simply just don't understand what cap efficiency are in for a world of hurt when the hitpoint patch comes.
Even if it's lvl 6 ...... that's still an extra lvl of the skill that you can't train.
I guess that's only usuable if you use an AB or MWD and how many good set ups use them........
I make HEAVY use of afterburners. But the Zor implant is still a joke unless you are a 25million skill point character with nothing to train. Cybernetics 5 is a 3x skill. I can train the afterburner skill to 5, and the Fuel Conservation to 5 for the same effort. Between them they are either slightly worse or better than the Zor Implant. But even so, for most characters, even with the benefits of Afterburner 5 and Fuel Conservation 5, there are other more vital things. I'm at 10mil skill points. My Fuel Conservation is still at 3. My energy management is still 4. Telling folks to train Cybernetics 5 for the Zor implant is like telling a raw noob to train for an Assault Cruiser. Yes, its nice, but not anytime soon. (Next week I plan to start getting all the Nav skills to 4 minimum......) The market group of folks with Cybernetics 5 is tiny, and will likely remain so. Thus, the Zor implant is worthless. |
Sternburg Export
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.02.17 12:18:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Sternburg Export on 17/02/2005 12:18:32 Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: X'Alor
people keep saying that implant is worthless are absolutely ignorant if they use AB or MWD.
that is 10% on top of your skills to duration.
OK so if you are one the smart ones that are on your nav skills to make your cap use more "efficient" then this implant ontop of fuel conservation 5(I forget 5% or 10% per lvl) is like having it trained to lvl 7 if it's 5%, 10% is two lvls of the skill that does that.
LEVEL SEVEN..... an xtra 10% duration to your Afterburner at lvl 7 .......... are you people nutz and simply just don't understand what cap efficiency are in for a world of hurt when the hitpoint patch comes.
Even if it's lvl 6 ...... that's still an extra lvl of the skill that you can't train.
I guess that's only usuable if you use an AB or MWD and how many good set ups use them........
I make HEAVY use of afterburners.
But the Zor implant is still a joke unless you are a 25million skill point character with nothing to train.
Cybernetics 5 is a 3x skill. I can train the afterburner skill to 5, and the Fuel Conservation to 5 for the same effort. Between them they are either slightly worse or better than the Zor Implant.
But even so, for most characters, even with the benefits of Afterburner 5 and Fuel Conservation 5, there are other more vital things. I'm at 10mil skill points. My Fuel Conservation is still at 3. My energy management is still 4. Telling folks to train Cybernetics 5 for the Zor implant is like telling a raw noob to train for an Assault Cruiser. Yes, its nice, but not anytime soon. (Next week I plan to start getting all the Nav skills to 4 minimum......)
The market group of folks with Cybernetics 5 is tiny, and will likely remain so. Thus, the Zor implant is worthless.
Thats exactly the point... 1. the skill requirments are far to high... 2. it isnīt interessting enough... 3. there are implants for this Slot who are more usefull... i donīt care about a 10% bonus to Ab duration because itīs 10% from Base duration.. so it might be 1,5 sec or something like that... i donīt use ABīs or MWDīs that much... so i donīt need this implant... Telling ppl to sell this imp at market is also a stupid idea, because of the skill requirements and the amount of implants overall... a random Hardwiring or Random Zor Customs imps would be more interesting... Maybe the devīs can add other stuff like Faction stuff... only to this mission... Itīs not whining or complaining about crappy loot... i mean.. if u kill an [insert Piratefaction name here] commander u normaly get faction loot... if u kill a [insert Piratefaction name here] Officer u normaly get Modified Stuff... If u kill Zor, u get something u canīt use... /me remembers the times, were zor wasnīt ingame... everybody told me: "he zorīs a bad guy. Killed my BS a few months ago" and now? if zorīs really the UBEREBIL raven pilot, give him better loot.. give him Modified stuff, or at least a random zor Implant... :) p.s. sry for my english |
Reite
Art of War
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Posted - 2005.02.17 12:33:00 - [ 16]
Well, hes easy as **** to kill, if he had dropped uber loot, all the other loot of that kind would be useless..
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Amthrianius
Keiretsu
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.02.17 13:13:00 - [ 17]
tbh Zor's loot and his outpost loot need nerfing as they are by far too good.
Asking for more?
wtf? |
Nartoth
Oberon Incorporated |
Posted - 2005.02.17 16:18:00 - [ 18]
Hmmm. I've only had this mission once so far (-14Q lvl 4 agent). What does this outpost drop that can be so great? Think I got 1 complex reaction thingee or something like that.... Oh, and of course Zor's Nav comp.
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Bleakheart
Caldari
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Posted - 2005.02.17 20:06:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Amthrianius
tbh Zor's loot and his outpost loot need nerfing as they are by far too good.
Asking for more?
wtf?
How far off would I be by saying, "Hmmm... Belong to a 0.0 Pirate corp?" to you? :P |
Crimson Smith
Something whimsical with a hint of deviancy
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Posted - 2005.02.17 22:12:00 - [ 20]
[slightly ot] I reckon the devs should give Zor the same resists and tanking ability of a Mordu's Mammoth- the best 1-on-1 Raven NPC I've come across so far. |
Kayinan Malrean
Viziam
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Posted - 2005.02.17 23:41:00 - [ 21]
XLarge CL5s.. Can't complain. |
Nero Scuro
Jejaikaro Corporation
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Posted - 2005.02.18 10:57:00 - [ 22]
I also got Zor's DNA. Woo! Now I can clone some more of the little cruise missile spamming *****... *mutters* |
Nero Scuro
Jejaikaro Corporation
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Posted - 2005.02.18 10:57:00 - [ 23]
I also got Zor's DNA. Woo! Now I can clone some more of the little cruise missile spamming *****... *mutters* |
Kayinan Malrean
Viziam
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Posted - 2005.02.18 11:26:00 - [ 24]
So you lil whiners don't quit crying until he drops a +4 implant and four named mods every single time? Lol. Don't hold your expectations too high.
Zor's implant though, now there's a useless piece of hard.. bio..? wetware? |
Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2005.02.20 19:48:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Crimson Smith
[slightly ot] I reckon the devs should give Zor the same resists and tanking ability of a Mordu's Mammoth- the best 1-on-1 Raven NPC I've come across so far.
Indeed Mr Mordu with his mammoth is a real ***** to take down without damage mods. |
Tisti
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.02.20 19:51:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Amthrianius
tbh Zor's loot and his outpost loot need nerfing as they are by far too good.
Asking for more?
wtf?
Emm.. Obviusly you didnt do the damsel a few days after exodus.. You needed ~600 torps to take down the HQ, its loot was at best something named small (you got better things in 2.5k frig cans)... Other then that.. |
Icarus Starkiller
Forge Regional Security |
Posted - 2005.02.20 22:58:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Hujin Tao
Originally by: Sternburg Export
P.S.
I totally understand the loot drops of the other mission npc. so plz change it
p.p.s
sry for my english
The loot from the outpost is awesome, quot whining :p
Is it now? I've gotten this mission several times from my lvl 3 q 15 agent, wiped out the baddies in short order (never encountered Zor yet), blasted everything else I could destroy... The outpost never drops much at all, if it does drop anything. I can't list the petty stuff I've pulled out of it, but it has been so consistently weak that half the time I don't bother. |
X'Alor |
Posted - 2005.02.21 16:34:00 - [ 28]
Edited by: X'Alor on 21/02/2005 18:55:51
I love how people complain about the "worth" of this implant.......
If it's so worthLESS, then why is it consistantly complained about requirement wise?
Way i see it people wouldn't be complaining about it if it's so worthless. they want it but don't want to train cyber 5 for it.......if it was cyber 4 they would use it but not training cyber 5(which aint that long)to use same mod is silly
And what makes it worthless ...... the cybernetics requirement. Come on already....... that's what everyone whines about.
Step up to the plate and train cyber 5 and if it aint worth it to do so yet, DON'T. That's the choice we all make when training any 5 skill.
that's the same situation we all go through.
Is it worth it to me to train cyber 5 on a 12 day train or is it worth it to me to train afterburner and fuel conserv 5 first?????
regardless, your gonna need lvl 5 nav skills to really make this implant shine anyways so till then it aint worth a squat and at that point cyber 5 is a 12 day train compared to what you've already trained in nav skill is nothing.
........ that's exactly the point.
If at this time it's not "worth it" then don't do it.
but if you want to install the implant if it had cyber 4 but not at cyber 5, to complain about having to do it must mean it's worth it otherwise it wouldn't be in the forums.
and people argue that there are other "better" implants than zor's for that slot .......ok then shut it. it's of no concern then.
ultimately people wouldn't be complaining if it wasn't desired. and if it's desired it must be worth it.
wait till they release more implants that require cyber 5.
CCP is spot on with this implant and it's requirements.
what then??? |
Bleakheart
Caldari
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Posted - 2005.02.21 19:04:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: X'Alor
Edited by: X'Alor on 21/02/2005 18:55:51
I love how people complain about the "worth" of this implant.......
If it's so worthLESS, then why is it consistantly complained about requirement wise?
Way i see it people wouldn't be complaining about it if it's so worthless. they want it but don't want to train cyber 5 for it.......if it was cyber 4 they would use it but not training cyber 5(which aint that long)to use same mod is silly
And what makes it worthless ...... the cybernetics requirement. Come on already....... that's what everyone whines about.
Step up to the plate and train cyber 5 and if it aint worth it to do so yet, DON'T. That's the choice we all make when training any 5 skill.
that's the same situation we all go through.
Is it worth it to me to train cyber 5 on a 12 day train or is it worth it to me to train afterburner and fuel conserv 5 first?????
regardless, your gonna need lvl 5 nav skills to really make this implant shine anyways so till then it aint worth a squat and at that point cyber 5 is a 12 day train compared to what you've already trained in nav skill is nothing.
........ that's exactly the point.
If at this time it's not "worth it" then don't do it.
but if you want to install the implant if it had cyber 4 but not at cyber 5, to complain about having to do it must mean it's worth it otherwise it wouldn't be in the forums.
and people argue that there are other "better" implants than zor's for that slot .......ok then shut it. it's of no concern then.
ultimately people wouldn't be complaining if it wasn't desired. and if it's desired it must be worth it.
wait till they release more implants that require cyber 5.
CCP is spot on with this implant and it's requirements.
what then???
Yup, pretty sure an Elite rated stat implant is gonna be needing Cybernetics 5, might as well be prepared for it... And you'll thank Zor's implant you went ahead with the 2 week train!  |
Lord Anubis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2005.02.21 20:38:00 - [ 30]
lol if it was slot 8 i would train for it as thats were all the burner implsnts seem to be
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