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Wilhelm Riley |
Posted - 2011.05.27 13:19:00 - [ 31]
 Originally by: Iva Posavec
we will have a more modernised Royal Family.
Hopefully something more like the family from Dirty Sexy Money. |
Cpt Placeholder |
Posted - 2011.05.27 14:34:00 - [ 32]
Originally by: Jno Aubrey
If NASA, EuroSpace, and the like did not exist then you would have private sector companies competing to provide launch services and exploit space resources, which would vastly accelerate the process.
Your faith in capitalism is impressive. What makes you think any company would even try to start a business involving expensive travel that almost nobody in the world would want to do, considering the price or that many people couldn't, considering the physical requirements. What "space resources" are you talking about? The satellite junk they left floating around there? Or the incredible amount of dust on the moon. When even the head of the IMF would rather **** a maid than do something useful with his money, I don't think your plans of private space travel will work out. Unless countless tax money funded government and university research projects make it cheap enough of course. |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.27 15:05:00 - [ 33]
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Jno Aubrey
If NASA, EuroSpace, and the like did not exist then you would have private sector companies competing to provide launch services and exploit space resources, which would vastly accelerate the process.
Your faith in capitalism is impressive.
What makes you think any company would even try to start a business involving expensive travel that almost nobody in the world would want to do, considering the price or that many people couldn't, considering the physical requirements.
What "space resources" are you talking about? The satellite junk they left floating around there? Or the incredible amount of dust on the moon.
When even the head of the IMF would rather **** a maid than do something useful with his money, I don't think your plans of private space travel will work out. Unless countless tax money funded government and university research projects make it cheap enough of course.
My faith in capitalism knows no bounds. It is the ONLY system that can be consistently expected to produce technological marvels in the service of wealth creation. I'm not saying that GovCo doesn't have its uses in this regard - sometimes it can provide a kickstart to needed technology and of course military needs also drive a lot of (mostly private-sector) innovation. The problem with government agencies is that once they have outlived their usefulness they don't die - they just find another way to spend the taxpayers' money. PS. The IMF is an intergovernmental agency and as such its leader is a poor example of a public sector capitalist. |
Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
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Posted - 2011.05.27 16:32:00 - [ 34]
Edited by: Culmen on 27/05/2011 16:34:32 Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Your faith in capitalism is impressive.
What makes you think any company would even try to start a business involving expensive travel that almost nobody in the world would want to do, considering the price or that many people couldn't, considering the physical requirements.
Most likely the fact that a business is trying to start a business involving expensive travel.You could have said the exact same thing about air travel. Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
What "space resources" are you talking about? The satellite junk they left floating around there? Or the incredible amount of dust on the moon.
Hell yeah companies are interested about the dust on the moon. The moon is an abundant source of Helium-3. We just don't have the fusion reactors yet. Titan has enough hydrocarbons just sitting around in pools to solve almost any foreseeable energy crisis. You don't need a Hulk to mine asteroids, but a single asteroid could hold tens of trillions of dollars of precious mineralsThey could just re-direct one into low-earth orbit and take it apart. Once you get sufficient space industry orbit side. The satellite junk won't be a resource, but it would sure as hell be a danger. Clearing might never be profitable.... guess NASA has a place after all... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.05.27 16:39:00 - [ 35]
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Kara Sharalien
Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 27/05/2011 09:37:45
Originally by: Jno Aubrey
NASA has verged on irrelevancy for a long time now.
NASA was and is extremely relevant. For example, The GPS satellites you take for granted were due to be pulled down and either fixed or replaced half a decade ago, but due to funding constraints, not a single one has gotten its required maintenance.
Those things are literally going to start falling out of the sky over the next few years, and since NASA has no money or shuttles at this point, the EU is going to have to launch its own system to take over.
I'd email them and ask them not to put any over north america just to teach you lot a lesson about global responsibility and nationalised narcissism, but that would be unfair on Canada and Mexico.
Yes, because THAT'S going to help global matters. Go right ahead and sh!t on everyone because you're another America-hating d!ck from the UK trying to prove a point. That's the way to set an example. 
Nevermind the fact that our satellites are your satellites as well, so see how far you get when you try to take "your" ball and go home.
What, no blame-it-all-on-the-tea party rage? Are you OK? Feeling sick today? Someday I am going ask you what tea party you are talking about. |
Cpt Placeholder |
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:13:00 - [ 36]
Originally by: Culmen
Most likely the fact that a business is trying to start a business involving expensive travel.
You could have said the exact same thing about air travel.
Interesting, pretty brave of them. The point about air travel is somewhat fitting, but even there as well as in space, government research made it possible, and I would argue that if it would be left to private interests, only necessary (large-scale) research would be done. Apparently one company is actually already running, but they seem to be... dubious. Quote:
Japanese businessman Daisuke Enomoto sued Space Adventures as his trip was canceled by them for medical reasons after he paid $21,000,000 and no refund was given.
Also, apparently NASA is willing to help the company you mentioned. Quote:
In February 2007, officials from Virgin and NASA signed a memorandum of understanding to explore the potential for collaboration.
Originally by: Culmen
Hell yeah companies are interested about the dust on the moon.
The moon is an abundant source of Helium-3. We just don't have the fusion reactors yet.
Titan has enough hydrocarbons just sitting around in pools to solve almost any foreseeable energy crisis.
You don't need a Hulk to mine asteroids, but a single asteroid could hold tens of trillions of dollars of precious minerals
They could just re-direct one into low-earth orbit and take it apart.
The earth already has (enough?) renewable energy sources but companies always go for the most profitable option while minimizing their risk. Without infrastructure/research from the government they will not explore other options unless they're cheaper or they are forced to do so. Even if there are useful elements on the moon, or might be on asteroids, there are apparently no ways to extract them efficiently. Even if governments just want spaceships with lasers, the involved research is generally useable in many ways. |
Bane Necran
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:27:00 - [ 37]
Extensive research into space travel has already been done in the private sector, with your tax dollars. It's called the military industrial complex, and all their technology is proprietary.
Just because they don't parade it around in TV doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The stealth bombers you are familiar with now first went into use back in the 60's. |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.27 19:38:00 - [ 38]
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
The earth already has (enough?) renewable energy sources but companies always go for the most profitable option while minimizing their risk. Without infrastructure/research from the government they will not explore other options unless they're cheaper or they are forced to do so.
Even if there are useful elements on the moon, or might be on asteroids, there are apparently no ways to extract them efficiently.
There are no environmentalist whackos in space to picket the manufacturing plants, or Libtards to cry over the slave wages we're paying to the inhabitants of Ganymede. Yet. |
baltec1 |
Posted - 2011.05.27 19:41:00 - [ 39]
Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
The earth already has (enough?) renewable energy sources but companies always go for the most profitable option while minimizing their risk. Without infrastructure/research from the government they will not explore other options unless they're cheaper or they are forced to do so.
Even if there are useful elements on the moon, or might be on asteroids, there are apparently no ways to extract them efficiently.
There are no environmentalist whackos in space to picket the manufacturing plants, or Libtards to cry over the slave wages we're paying to the inhabitants of Ganymede. Yet.
PETA could still get you. |
Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy |
Posted - 2011.05.28 10:31:00 - [ 40]
Originally by: Astenion
Yes, because THAT'S going to help global matters. Go right ahead and sh!t on everyone because you're another America-hating d!ck from the UK trying to prove a point. That's the way to set an example.
I'm from Australia. Its very important for you to understand that not a single developed western nation likes your country as a political entity. You have a terrible system of government that continues to regularly impose itself on the rest of the worlds business. Thankfully, your government owes so much money now that over the course of the next few decades it will have to make the decision of either collectively giving blowjobs the UK, Australia and EU or fail-cascading and leaving its population a third world country.  Originally by: Jno Aubrey
That's not the point. NASA is a GovCo agency and as such is incapable of doing anything efficiently, nor can they make course changes easily when circumstances dictate.
If NASA, EuroSpace, and the like did not exist then you would have private sector companies competing to provide launch services and exploit space resources, which would vastly accelerate the process.
I have not so much confidence in capitalism. Some projects require huge amounts of trial and error that really will never pay off. The moon landings, for example, provided valuable data but were in and of themselves a useless waste of money. No-one will ever go to the moon on Saturn V rockets in a commercial situation, it could never be cost effective or safe enough. The best people to lay that foundation are definitely government agencies. With huge amounts of money and no need to generate directly profitable results, but a far greater need to make it safe and reliable, they can create a much more solid basis that commercial entities can then build on. In 10 or 20 years time, when government agencies have found a way to make the moon accessible, then there will be a groundwork enough to hand it over to commercial companies. |
Herr Wilkus |
Posted - 2011.05.28 11:01:00 - [ 41]
Originally by: Kara Sharalien
I'm from Australia. Its very important for you to understand that not a single developed western nation likes your country as a political entity. You have a terrible system of government that continues to regularly impose itself on the rest of the worlds business. Thankfully, your government owes so much money now that over the course of the next few decades it will have to make the decision of either collectively giving blowjobs the UK, Australia and EU or fail-cascading and leaving its population a third world country.
Yeah, I had a feeling that THIS is why so many Europeans like love Obama. They realize that he clearly weakens the USA, as a nation. -Burning through money 5x faster than any President in history, on stupid **** like Obamacare and 'green energy projects' - leaving us with a mountain of debt. -Driving up energy costs by wrecking our domestic fossil-fuel energy production with EPA regulation and locking up oil prospects. -Crapping on developed western nations that like us (Britain, Israel) and encouraging our enemies in Iran and Hamas/PLO. Obama is doing everything he can to weaken the US in the long term. Sad that such a man managed to get himself elected. Whatever Bush's faults - he genuinely loved his country. Obama - not so much. |
Bane Necran
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.05.28 15:15:00 - [ 42]
Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Yeah, I had a feeling that THIS is why so many Europeans like love Obama. They realize that he clearly weakens the USA, as a nation.
-Burning through money 5x faster than any President in history, on stupid **** like Obamacare and 'green energy projects' - leaving us with a mountain of debt.
-Driving up energy costs by wrecking our domestic fossil-fuel energy production with EPA regulation and locking up oil prospects.
-Crapping on developed western nations that like us (Britain, Israel) and encouraging our enemies in Iran and Hamas/PLO.
Obama is doing everything he can to weaken the US in the long term. Sad that such a man managed to get himself elected. Whatever Bush's faults - he genuinely loved his country. Obama - not so much.
Thanks to Stephen Colbert i can no longer tell if you're serious. |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 15:50:00 - [ 43]
Originally by: Bane Necran
Thanks to Stephen Colbert i can no longer tell if you're serious.
The Truth will set you free. Listen to him! |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:09:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Someday I am going ask you what tea party you are talking about.
The Tea Party that was hijacked by the Neo-Cons is what he spoke of. I do not disagree with a lot of what you say Herzog, but you acting like you have no clue what he is talking about when he mentions the Tea Party is kind of funny. Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Yeah, I had a feeling that THIS is why so many Europeans like love Obama. They realize that he clearly weakens the USA, as a nation.
-Burning through money 5x faster than any President in history, on stupid **** like Obamacare and 'green energy projects' - leaving us with a mountain of debt.
-Driving up energy costs by wrecking our domestic fossil-fuel energy production with EPA regulation and locking up oil prospects.
-Crapping on developed western nations that like us (Britain, Israel) and encouraging our enemies in Iran and Hamas/PLO.
Obama is doing everything he can to weaken the US in the long term. Sad that such a man managed to get himself elected. Whatever Bush's faults - he genuinely loved his country. Obama - not so much.
Nothing new here at all and you toting party lines just shows how ignorant you really are. What Obama is doing is just the next step in the ever increasing sentiment over the past 200 hundred years that US citizens feel they have had a god giving “right” to over consume. Do you remember your father or grandfather saying the famous quote, “I want you to have it better then I did?” That sentiment has bred a fat, lazy, self entitled population in a world where you do not even really have a “right” to life, much less a “right” to anything else. Does that mean we should stand by and take it? I would say no, but people like you and those on the far left of US politics, that constantly spit venom like you all do, will never solve problems, it just keeps tilting the seesaw in the opposite direction. So keep up the ignorant verbal flame throwing, it gets a lot done Slade |
Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:09:00 - [ 45]
Edited by: Vogue on 28/05/2011 17:12:10Well this is what I call opportunity knocks. The USA and its allies has talked a big game of spreading peace and prosperity. But through the 'thieves guild' of international politics it often defaults to turtling and aquiescence. which is the case with the winds of change at the moment in the middle east and north Africa. To be or not to be |
Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:13:00 - [ 46]
Funny thing about Bush was he got voted in office twice LOL :US: |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 17:27:00 - [ 47]
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Funny thing about Bush was he got voted in office twice LOL :US:
You have to consider the competition. Al Gore? John "I Served In Vietnam" Kerry? And we're still arguing over the results of the Bush/Gore Florida fiasco. |
Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:07:00 - [ 48]
Misunderestimated Bush has a manner that is like British upper class eccentrics with a wild heart who born into the top of a social order felt stultified so had a raucous youth before he went into the family game of politics. Like many republican presidents he rolled like a bowling ball. |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:11:00 - [ 49]
Originally by: Vogue
Misunderestimated Bush has a manner that is like British upper class eccentrics with a wild heart who born into the top of a social order felt stultified so had a raucous youth before he went into the family game of politics. Like many republican presidents he rolled like a bowling ball.
Are you saying he was the Henry V of US Politics?  |
Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:20:00 - [ 50]
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Selinate
Amarr |
Posted - 2011.05.28 19:51:00 - [ 51]
Edited by: Selinate on 28/05/2011 19:51:21
Obama haters on a rampage? What's new?
Honestly, the guy hasn't done anything wrong by me so far. In fact, I think if I were president, I probably would've made mostly the same choices he has made so far, hence I support him.
Also, a lot hatred for Obama is still based in racism.... I wonder who in this thread feels that way.... |
Satallius |
Posted - 2011.05.28 19:59:00 - [ 52]
Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari
Obama killed NASA. And he freed hundreds of terrorists from prison, IN THE UNITED STATES. There is no redemption for him. Impeach him.
Really? Can you name a single terrorist who Obama had released from prison on his orders? And I seem to recall, May 2nd, Obama ordering an operation that killed a certain terrorist that his predecessor could never get. |
Satallius |
Posted - 2011.05.28 20:04:00 - [ 53]
Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Originally by: Kara Sharalien
I'm from Australia. Its very important for you to understand that not a single developed western nation likes your country as a political entity. You have a terrible system of government that continues to regularly impose itself on the rest of the worlds business. Thankfully, your government owes so much money now that over the course of the next few decades it will have to make the decision of either collectively giving blowjobs the UK, Australia and EU or fail-cascading and leaving its population a third world country.
Yeah, I had a feeling that THIS is why so many Europeans like love Obama. They realize that he clearly weakens the USA, as a nation.
-Burning through money 5x faster than any President in history, on stupid **** like Obamacare and 'green energy projects' - leaving us with a mountain of debt.
-Driving up energy costs by wrecking our domestic fossil-fuel energy production with EPA regulation and locking up oil prospects.
-Crapping on developed western nations that like us (Britain, Israel) and encouraging our enemies in Iran and Hamas/PLO.
Obama is doing everything he can to weaken the US in the long term. Sad that such a man managed to get himself elected. Whatever Bush's faults - he genuinely loved his country. Obama - not so much.
Actually your wrong about the energy costs. Even experts have testified before congress that our domestic policy will do very little to effect prices in the short term. Secondly, Israel? Incase you didnt realize, to ever get peace in that region both the Palestinians AND the Israelis will have to make concessions. Israel will have to give up some of the occupied territory. Burning through money? Like Bush? Who burned through cash after lying to the American people and the world to start a war in Iraq based on false pretenses of WMD? |
Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:05:00 - [ 54]
Originally by: Selinate
Also, a lot hatred for Obama is still based in racism.... I wonder who in this thread feels that way....
Using the race card, tut tut There is literally a "we hate the president / prime minister" thread on every other forum, what makes the Obama one interesting is because we see people over using the race card. Man I hate people using the race card, this is why it is impossible to inform people of their errors, it is the worst possible way to defend a person too. Well done Selinate you successfully managed to **** me off, im sure it is because im white, who else feels this way? |
Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School |
Posted - 2011.05.28 20:06:00 - [ 55]
To all the Bush haters. President Bush has left the office on January 19, 2009. Mr. Obama took office on January 20, 2009. It is 2011 now. You simpletons should update your calendars, you got more than 2 years missing. |
Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:09:00 - [ 56]
This is why you should have voted for Palin HAHAHA aww man the political choices in USA are hilarious |
Selinate
Amarr |
Posted - 2011.05.28 20:13:00 - [ 57]
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: Selinate
Also, a lot hatred for Obama is still based in racism.... I wonder who in this thread feels that way....
Using the race card, tut tut
There is literally a "we hate the president / prime minister" thread on every other forum, what makes the Obama one interesting is because we see people over using the race card.
Man I hate people using the race card, this is why it is impossible to inform people of their errors, it is the worst possible way to defend a person too.
Well done Selinate you successfully managed to **** me off, im sure it is because im white, who else feels this way?
Its not some "overused card", its a true statement that there are many people who hate Obama simply because he's half black. Otherwise, I'm sure so many racial epithets wouldn't have been thrown around about him, when he first got elected especially... |
Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:18:00 - [ 58]
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: Selinate
Also, a lot hatred for Obama is still based in racism.... I wonder who in this thread feels that way....
Using the race card, tut tut
There is literally a "we hate the president / prime minister" thread on every other forum, what makes the Obama one interesting is because we see people over using the race card.
Man I hate people using the race card, this is why it is impossible to inform people of their errors, it is the worst possible way to defend a person too.
Well done Selinate you successfully managed to **** me off, im sure it is because im white, who else feels this way?
Its not some "overused card", its a true statement that there are many people who hate Obama simply because he's half black. Otherwise, I'm sure so many racial epithets wouldn't have been thrown around about him, when he first got elected especially...
Yeah and many people hate the duo coalition in UK because they are white |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:45:00 - [ 59]
Originally by: Selinate
Its not some "overused card", its a true statement that there are many people who hate Obama simply because he's half black. Otherwise, I'm sure so many racial epithets wouldn't have been thrown around about him, when he first got elected especially...
Obama is special. Even the worst kind of knuckle-dragging, beer-guzzling, pick-up truck-driving, neanderthal racist in America can also enumerate several other reasons why he's competing with Jimmy Carter for the title of "Worst. President. Ever." He may lose that competition as he beat Jimmy's record on successful covert ops in foreign countries using helicopters. But then, he still has more than a year to go. As for the Race Card, it had been overused to the point that when someone pulls it out I don't even see it anymore except to flip the bird and dismiss it. I think more and more of the country is starting to feel this way - to the point where we may actually be able to have some public discussions about race issues in the not-too-distant future. |
Bane Necran
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.05.28 21:52:00 - [ 60]
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