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Detardus
Gallente
Fleet Navigators
Posted - 2011.05.24 22:26:00 - [1]
 

Hi guys, after some advice. I'm a gallente player of some years. I run a small empire corp and currently I fly an Ishtar which I love for its ability to passive shield tank entire level 4 missions at once and even solo level 5's :D Anyway, we're intending a little trip into wormhole space soon.

Some of my corp members are WH vet's and know what works for them - but none are gallenete players. They wish for us all to be shield tanks so we can RR shields. I certainly have the shield skills - I just don't know what ship I want to take in! I don't want to bring the ishtar really because losing it would be very damaging to my bank account right now. I see the Myr seems to shield tank quite well considering its really designed for armor tanking - its certainly an option. But I have a feeling these guys want to do sleepers in a c3 / c4 and i;m thinking I really want to take a battleship and not a T1 BC. But no matter how I looked at the hyp/domi/mega I can't make shield tanking one work in my head..

Any advice of what ship I should take in? Thanks :)

Tysliss
Posted - 2011.05.25 09:37:00 - [2]
 

Cross-train into a Tengu.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.05.25 09:50:00 - [3]
 

Don't use a ship that highly depends on drones. If you absolutely can't fly another race, buy a Navy Megathron which will have better base stats anyway, put some shield extenders and resists on, add a damage control and then fit for the best range you can get (neutrons, tracking enhancers, etc)
But I sure hope you guys are planning to bring some dedicated logistics.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.25 10:41:00 - [4]
 

I hear the Domi shield tanks well. That or a Mach.

Anya Ohaya
Posted - 2011.05.25 11:28:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Detardus
hyp/domi/mega I can't make shield tanking one work in my head..



There are plenty of fits for passive shield tank Myrm and Domi if you google for them. A Domi will be a bit more expensive to fit, but still cheaper than an Ishtar. I would start with a passive tank Myrm and see how that works out first.

Makko Gray
Pheno-Tech Industries
Crimson Wings.
Posted - 2011.05.25 13:01:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Makko Gray on 25/05/2011 13:02:41
Myrm and Domi can both be shield tanked, though only really looked at shield Domi for missions before.

Drones are not great for wormholes but not imposssible. I've had some success with sentry drones as they can take more of a beating and I could rep them, helped spread the damage many ways. But you have to watch them like a hawk.

Mega is workable.

RC Denton
Posted - 2011.05.25 23:28:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Detardus
Hi guys, after some advice. I'm a gallente player of some years. I run a small empire corp and currently I fly an Ishtar which I love for its ability to passive shield tank entire level 4 missions at once and even solo level 5's :D Anyway, we're intending a little trip into wormhole space soon.

Some of my corp members are WH vet's and know what works for them - but none are gallenete players. They wish for us all to be shield tanks so we can RR shields. I certainly have the shield skills - I just don't know what ship I want to take in! I don't want to bring the ishtar really because losing it would be very damaging to my bank account right now. I see the Myr seems to shield tank quite well considering its really designed for armor tanking - its certainly an option. But I have a feeling these guys want to do sleepers in a c3 / c4 and i;m thinking I really want to take a battleship and not a T1 BC. But no matter how I looked at the hyp/domi/mega I can't make shield tanking one work in my head..

Any advice of what ship I should take in? Thanks :)


There's a quantum leap in difficulty between c3 sites and c4 sites. For a C4 site you'll want a BS. The best one would be a sentry domi for a variety of reasons. First you can shield tank it, second you have utility highs to fit RR, and third any other drones will likley die a horrible death from the sleepers. Sentries you can pull immediately. For an RR fleet you can forget a large local tank, and rely on the remote reps from your fleet that will help with the fitting issues for local tank and RR.

Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada
Apex United
Posted - 2011.05.26 00:11:00 - [8]
 

If they are wanting you to take in a battleship, the only possible solution is the dominix. An example fit below:

[Dominix, C5 Shield]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]

Garde II x5

This fit gives you 660dps, and permaruns 2 remote shield reps. If you don't have maxed out skills, you can drop a sentry damage rig for 2 CCC's, or 1 CCC and 1 anti-therm rig. It uses sentry drones, meaning that you can effectively hammer cruisers and battleships, and carry a whole slew of light drones to spam on frigates (try max of 10 sets of t1 lights if you are so inclined). Now, if you are looking at going into it with a BC, you can do something similar with a myrmidon, like this:

[Myrmidon, RR shield]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

Garde II x3 (or other sentry drone of choice)


Obviously not as effective as the domi, but it does take less mass, and again you can swap rigs for whatever you want (can't use drone rigs though due to CPU reasons). This one can carry a set of lights and mediums in the bay to use against smaller ships, and drones actually tend to be somewhat survivable in RR gangs. Once again though, the pitiful dps highlights why I hate the myrm.

Now, both these fits are assuming you are going RR. If you aren't, then just toss on a passive shield tank and act like a brick. Or take that myrm and fit tractor beams and salvagers and be the gang looter...

-Arazel

Bibosikus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.26 00:24:00 - [9]
 

Frankly, you're on a loser with Gallente even in a C3 - unless you pair up with rr and take in a buffer tank. In which case, use armour not shields. Then you can use the mids for drone buffing. A pair of cap stable T2-equipped Domis with triple meta 4 rr can run any c3 site. C4's are on the border of logi & bs gangs, or a non-prop tengu. The sleepers in a C4 are the same as a C3 (Sleepless/Awakened) but there are more BS and a LOT more web/scram.

Luziferiel WarMage
Posted - 2011.06.05 11:41:00 - [10]
 

U can easily fly Droneships in WH space .. u just need to fit an ECM. My advice would be a Gila or Rattlesnake. This also what i'm flying solo in a C3 WH.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.05 11:52:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 05/06/2011 11:54:24
Originally by: Detardus
Hi guys, after some advice. I'm a gallente player of some years. I run a small empire corp and currently I fly an Ishtar which I love for its ability to passive shield tank entire level 4 missions at once and even solo level 5's :D Anyway, we're intending a little trip into wormhole space soon.

Some of my corp members are WH vet's and know what works for them - but none are gallenete players. They wish for us all to be shield tanks so we can RR shields. I certainly have the shield skills - I just don't know what ship I want to take in! I don't want to bring the ishtar really because losing it would be very damaging to my bank account right now. I see the Myr seems to shield tank quite well considering its really designed for armor tanking - its certainly an option. But I have a feeling these guys want to do sleepers in a c3 / c4 and i;m thinking I really want to take a battleship and not a T1 BC. But no matter how I looked at the hyp/domi/mega I can't make shield tanking one work in my head..

Any advice of what ship I should take in? Thanks :)


Ships to never take in to WH's for other reason than mining: Drone boats
Why? -Sleepers like to chew them = dps loss = you are being shield remote for less/no dps = you're useless

You want some Rails Navy Megathron or if you have the iskies Blaster Vindicator, but if you can use the vindicator you should be able by now to use the Mach and there is no match between both, Mach wins every day.

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2011.06.05 12:05:00 - [12]
 

If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the cost of an Ishtar in wormholes.
I live in a c2 with a c4 static and can afford to replace my Tengu on the rare occasion it explodes.

Some options I have heard of (but haven't really tried) are the Navy megathron and the Vindicator. I think it might also be possible to shield tank a Hyperion. Remember that for high wormholes you are going to be using a buffer tank and remote repairs, so recharge rate is a moot point and shield boosters are out. Don't quote me on this, while I CAN fly Gallente, I haven't done so in a wormhole since Caldari works better.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.05 12:57:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 05/06/2011 12:58:25
Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Some options I have heard of (but haven't really tried) are the Navy megathron and the Vindicator. I think it might also be possible to shield tank a Hyperion.


You can shield tank the Hyperion too the only reason why I'd choose the other two is just because of the dps bonus and base amount shields, but yes the hype can do it too.
This said, with only 6low slots once you've fitted your DC II 3 MFS's and 2 TE's aren't that good than 4MFS's and 3 TE's on the Navy Mega for 4 MFS's and 2 TE's on the Vindi

Sure you're better in Caldari boats everyday than in Gallente rails/blaster ones for WH (sleepers resists and hybrids suck)

Tenzeck
Posted - 2011.06.05 15:37:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Swynet
(sleepers resists and hybrids suck)


Sleepers have omni resists so it doesn't really matter what damage type you're shooting at them. Just raw damage numbers matter, as they resist all types equally.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.05 18:11:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tenzeck
Just raw damage numbers matter


I take Caldari or Minmatar every day over Gallente. And you?

Goose99
Posted - 2011.06.05 18:23:00 - [16]
 

Shield Hyperion is viable for non local shield tank, due to high shield capacity and the slot layout that made it crappy elsewhere. Insure it before taking it in. If he doesn't want to risk even an Ishtar, faction/pirate ships obviously isn't the answer. Anything else gallante, t1, smaller and shield tanked will be less effective.

Voith
Posted - 2011.06.05 19:01:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Arazel Chainfire
If they are wanting you to take in a battleship, the only possible solution is the dominix. An example fit below:

[Dominix, C5 Shield]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]

Garde II x5

This fit gives you 660dps, and permaruns 2 remote shield reps. If you don't have maxed out skills, you can drop a sentry damage rig for 2 CCC's, or 1 CCC and 1 anti-therm rig. It uses sentry drones, meaning that you can effectively hammer cruisers and battleships, and carry a whole slew of light drones to spam on frigates (try max of 10 sets of t1 lights if you are so inclined). Now, if you are looking at going into it with a BC, you can do something similar with a myrmidon, like this:

[Myrmidon, RR shield]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

Garde II x3 (or other sentry drone of choice)


Obviously not as effective as the domi, but it does take less mass, and again you can swap rigs for whatever you want (can't use drone rigs though due to CPU reasons). This one can carry a set of lights and mediums in the bay to use against smaller ships, and drones actually tend to be somewhat survivable in RR gangs. Once again though, the pitiful dps highlights why I hate the myrm.

Now, both these fits are assuming you are going RR. If you aren't, then just toss on a passive shield tank and act like a brick. Or take that myrm and fit tractor beams and salvagers and be the gang looter...

-Arazel


You should be fined for posting such awful fits.

That domi is going to get nueted and die in 10 seconds in a C5. The Myrm as well.

Svior Thekk
Posted - 2011.06.05 20:59:00 - [18]
 

I've formulated my reply on the following assumptions:

1. You'll be doing C3 or C4 sites.
2. You'll be operating as part of a gang to do the sites rather than trying to solo them.
3. As part of a C3 or C4 gang - you won't have to worry about every single aspect of the site itself. You follow the FC, applying dps and rr as called, allowing remote reps to keep you alive and depending on other ships to take out problems like frigs/close orbitting cruisers that you won't be able to hit.

In all honesty - assuming you have good support skills already trained it will between 16 to 20 days to achieve the following fit.

Tempest:

2x Gyro Stab II
2x Tracking Enhancer II
1x Co-Processor II
1x DC II

Magnetic Scatting Amp II
Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Amp II
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Electromechanical Cap Booster I - 800s

2x Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
4x 1400 mm Howitzer Artillery I - Various charges give various ranges. Use as you need to.

3x Bouncer II

If you have to go Gallente - follow the formula:

1. Increase your shield resists to roughly 70% and then pad out the buffer. (try to make this as passive as poss - use Invul IIs if you must.)
2. Then add ranged dps (rails + sentries).
3. Add damage mods until stacking becomes a problem.
4. Then add tracking mods until you run out of slots.
5. Make sure you have someone else to sling you cap (as you'll cap out real quick if Neuts hit you).

Cyrus Schaumann
Posted - 2011.06.06 12:40:00 - [19]
 

I have tried out this fit and it works as well as a shield tanked Mega can work.

[Megathron, Megathron: Wh C4 shield rr Mega]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I

Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada
Apex United
Posted - 2011.06.07 00:26:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Arazel Chainfire


[Dominix, C5 Shield]
...

[Myrmidon, RR shield]
...




You should be fined for posting such awful fits.

That domi is going to get nueted and die in 10 seconds in a C5. The Myrm as well.


Oh really? I find that domi is actually able to keep all but 1 of its reps permarunning under full neuting power in a C5. Perhaps you should think before you post in the future? Admittedly I haven't tried the myrm, but thats just because the myrm is such a failboat that I wouldn't want to touch it anyways...

-Arazel

Maelle LuzArdiden
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.07 00:34:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Swynet
Ships to never take in to WH's for other reason than mining: Drone boats
Why? -Sleepers like to chew them = dps loss = you are being shield remote for less/no dps = you're useless

You want some Rails Navy Megathron or if you have the iskies Blaster Vindicator, but if you can use the vindicator you should be able by now to use the Mach and there is no match between both, Mach wins every day.


C3 sleepers don't even target drones in a RR BS fleet. Pack Bouncers for the sleeper battleships, Gardes for cruisers, Hob IIs for frigates.

2 RR+cap transfer sentry Domis with 2 RLARs clear C3 sites no prob. Cap stable, 2 battleships is not a glowing gank magnet, has enough buffer and cap reserve to allow for mistakes.





 

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