Posted - 2011.05.17 12:48:00 - [3]

 

Originally by: DarkAegix

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I think it would be more suitable for the Dominix to receive a 7.5% repair amount bonus instead of its current hybrid bonus, and for the Hyperion to receive a stasis webifier bonus (Range or strength?) rather than the current repair bonus.

A Dominix rarely fits hyrbids because they're terrible, it's a drone boat and there are powergrid issues.
A Hyperion can't fit a full rack of ions, a MWD, a heavy cap booster and 2 large armour repairers, which it requires if you want to adequately take advantage of all the bonuses. Which every ship should be able to do.

Discuss, please

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Dominix with rep bonus???


The only problem is that will shred appart any other BS ingame with no contest


While i agree that mega nd hype need some love ( MUCH love ) the Dominix is already very good as it is and dont need to be boosted even more.

Posted - 2011.05.17 13:28:00 - [5]

 

Dominix is fine.

Hyperion needs help.

Active armor rep bonuses suck.

Posted - 2011.05.17 14:48:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Pantload

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Dominix is fine.

Hyperion needs help.

Active armor rep bonuses suck.

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Right.

Let me trade my 5% turret bonus to 5% armor rep on my typhoon then. Lol.

No, domi would be broken with armor bonus. Agreed hyperion and mega need love.

Posted - 2011.05.17 15:47:00 - [9]

 

I dislike rep bonuses in general. Resist bonuses gain you nearly the same return, and are more versatile for buffer as well. I would personally prefer seeing all rep bonuses converted into resist bonuses, or for rep bonuses to be buffed from 7.5% to 10% per level to be more competitive with resist bonuses.

Re: the specifics of this thread; I would rather all drone ships gain a bonus to EWar drones in addition to the damage and HP bonus, instead of just changing the Dominix hybrid bonus to a tank bonus. The Domi can sport a serious tank as is, I'm not so certain it needs more. A web bonus for the Hype would be tight, but with only 6 low slots removing the tanking bonus will leave it hurting in that department. I would rather the Hype have a resist bonus, more PG, or a 10% Rep bonus.

Posted - 2011.05.18 05:55:00 - [11]

 

Originally by: Linda Shadowborn

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NOOOOO!!!!!! for pve i dont need more tank, so i like the damage bonus thank you very much.

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who uses domi for pve anyway?

And besides - think of how much cap you can save when you use 800mm AC's instead of hybrids. Hell - the fits would actually work - domi is real short on grid - I can see the fit :
[Dominix, actually working]
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
[empty rig slot]


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warden II x5

with barrage the guns start hitting from 77 km , targeting range is 87 , drones reach up to 86 also
460 gun dps with faction ammo.

Except I think the extra bonus should be drones rof bonus , not 7.5 to repper. Grid is not enough to pack guns + armor repper anyway.

Posted - 2011.05.18 09:13:00 - [13]

 

Domi is fine, it can tank better than the Hyperion as it has an additional low slot and can usae all 7 lows for the tank without comprising DPS as much.
Large turrets and active armor tanks just don't mix very well due to low slot tradeoffs.

A web bonus (velocity, not range) would help, but as it is a slow and big battleship it would still have problems catching stuff in the first place.
Any armor tank would slow it down further.

It just ain't a solo boat like the Domi can be, but in a gang you can start thinking of other bonuses.
The target will likely be webbed to heck already so maybe a plain old fall-off bonus and moving one mid to a low would do it?

Posted - 2011.05.18 17:21:00 - [15]

 

Edited by: mama guru on 18/05/2011 17:24:15
I agree the dominix hybrid bonus needs to go but 7.5% rep bonus alongside the 7 lowslots will be overpowered. I'd love to see a bigger drone damage bonus and a big(20% per lvl) bonus to drone speed instead of Hybrid damage. It's pretty sad when the only dedicated drone ships in the gallente arsenal are the Ishtar and Thanatos/Nyx.

Think:
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 20% Bonus to drone MicroWarpdrive speed per level and 20% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level.
3 Turret Hardpoints and 2000 Less Base Powergrid and 50TF less Base CPU.


As for the hyperion I honestly don't know. It's such a mess that you need to get rid of the rep bonus and add more lowslots. But that just turns it to a bigger megathron.

Posted - 2011.05.18 18:23:00 - [17]

 

They already have Hyperions with web bonuses, they are just more expensive.

Hyperion is fine as it is, it can either be an agile (for a bs)shield ship or a monster but slow armor tanker.

The only problem with the Hyperion is hybrids.

Posted - 2011.05.21 12:06:00 - [19]

 

Edited by: Miriiah on 21/05/2011 12:10:06

Originally by: Gligan

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Originally by: Linda Shadowborn

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NOOOOO!!!!!! for pve i dont need more tank, so i like the damage bonus thank you very much.

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who uses domi for pve anyway?

And besides - think of how much cap you can save when you use 800mm AC's instead of hybrids. Hell - the fits would actually work - domi is real short on grid - I can see the fit :
[Dominix, actually working]
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
[empty rig slot]


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warden II x5

with barrage the guns start hitting from 77 km , targeting range is 87 , drones reach up to 86 also
460 gun dps with faction ammo.

Except I think the extra bonus should be drones rof bonus , not 7.5 to repper. Grid is not enough to pack guns + armor repper anyway.

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Actually working? you can get a sentry domi to hit 1100 dps at 41km, and like, 1050 or so at 50km, with railguns ofc

Posted - 2011.05.21 15:39:00 - [21]

 

Originally by: Miriiah

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Actually working? you can get a sentry domi to hit 1100 dps at 41km, and like, 1050 or so at 50km, with railguns ofc

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Of course you can - with the damage bonus, 4 navy MFS, navy ammo, 2 +6% damage implants, t2 guardes(with 2 rigs) and cap booster to power it all you can probably hit 1107.


The discussion was about the domi losing the hybrid damage bonus and acquiring a different one:

According to EFT 6 t2 425mm rails(navy AM) with 4 navy MFS give you 468 DPS without the ship damage bonus.
The 6 rails will have 4 DPS advantage to 5 800 t2 AC's similarly fitted (464 dps).

They'll have more range and optimal, but they also will use cap, have less tracking , be much harder to fit in the ship and use up 1 more slot thus leaving your drones with less range.

Again - this was a hypothetical fit with the domi bonus not being hybrid damage one.

Posted - 2011.05.21 21:10:00 - [23]

 

Dominix
10% Drone Damage/HP per Gallente Battleship Level
10% Remote Armor Repair Amount Per Level

Posted - 2011.05.21 21:44:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: baltec1

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A web bonus on my hyperion would be just as useless to me as the rep bonus currently is. 7.5% tacking per level or more optimal would be a much greater help.

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How about 2 more lows?

Posted - 2011.05.21 22:30:00 - [27]

 

Originally by: baltec1

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Originally by: Goose99

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Originally by: baltec1

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A web bonus on my hyperion would be just as useless to me as the rep bonus currently is. 7.5% tacking per level or more optimal would be a much greater help.

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How about 2 more lows?

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Only if the mids stay as they are.

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The hype doesnt need more lows to fill its niche role. That just makes it a budget vindicator. Instead remove 2 turret hardpoints and give it a 10% hybrid damage bonus, it puts it's effective turrets to 9 instead of 10 but with lower fitting reqs and two utility highs.

KEEP THE ****ING REP BONUS, Not every ship needs to be high resist and EHP to fill a role in eve.

Posted - 2011.05.24 05:30:00 - [29]

 

Lol what i get from this thread is lots of peope that dont fly a domi wanting it to stay as it is and people that do want it buffed so its OP and the best ship they can have.

Domi atm has fitting issues for DPS in my eyes without high SP and isk fits. I have been using one now for about 4 months and would say that its the rails that cause this issue. The drone capabilites are fine but the tricky fitting for any rails needs to be addressed. especially if thats what the bonuses are for.

Personally i would prefer a drone range % increase per level and the fitting issues with rails to be looked at. Or maybe a drone speed boost per level to make heavys viable for further than 10km.

But defonatly not a rep bonus. You can over tank a domi easy as is and afk mission.
you can get 1400 dps tank quite easily. Thats more than you need for any L4 mission.

It needs tweaking agreed but not in the way you suggest in OP.