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CARE8EAR |
Posted - 2011.04.03 17:02:00 - [ 1]
I believe the Proteus's drone bandwidth should be inline with the other Gallente drone boats... with all drone subsystems it only has a 100 bandwidth. At least make it 125 !!  o/ |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2011.04.03 17:04:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: CARE8EAR
I believe the Proteus's drone bandwidth should be inline with the other Gallente drone boats... with all drone subsystems it only has a 100 bandwidth.
At least make it 125 !!
o/
It is in line with the Eos and Myrmidon. |
CARE8EAR |
Posted - 2011.04.03 17:12:00 - [ 3]
True, however it is a tech 3 after all... if you use the drone subsystems then it should really reflect that.  |
Grog Barrel |
Posted - 2011.04.03 17:23:00 - [ 4]
-=>>>Legion<<<=- |
CARE8EAR |
Posted - 2011.04.03 18:08:00 - [ 5]
Legion only gets 50 with its 1 drone subsystem... unless i'm missing something. |
Batelle
-Mostly Harmless- |
Posted - 2011.04.03 19:08:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
It is in line with the Eos and Myrmidon.
the bandwidth on those ships are a goddamned disgrace, just like the proteus. |
Miss Krunk |
Posted - 2011.04.04 10:51:00 - [ 7]
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Alonzo Harris |
Posted - 2011.04.04 11:13:00 - [ 8]
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Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2011.04.04 11:15:00 - [ 9]
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.04 11:35:00 - [ 10]
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Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2011.04.04 12:06:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Herrring
The protus already has unique bonuses, with two drone bonus subs(there is two) you get 15% drone hp, 5% drone mwd speed and 10% drone damage per level.
drone optimal and tracking in addition to those would be interesting. |
Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.04 13:51:00 - [ 12]
The Ishtar is a dedicated Tech II droneboat, that it has 125 bandwidth is understandable.
If the Proteus had 125 bandwidth, the Ishtar would be nearly obsolete.
75m3 however is indeed not enough, 100m3 would be a good number instead. |
Alonzo Harris |
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:06:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Thenoran
The Ishtar is a dedicated Tech II droneboat, that it has 125 bandwidth is understandable.
If the Proteus had 125 bandwidth, the Ishtar would be nearly obsolete.
75m3 however is indeed not enough, 100m3 would be a good number instead.
You mean like the Cerberus and Tengu? |
Deathwing Reborn |
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:13:00 - [ 14]
I have thought about training for a proteus as a replacement for my Domi when I am in high sec missioning. I never really paid attention when I eft fit one of them to see that it did not have 125 bandwidth.
I think that its a waste of time now because I wouldnt be able to field a full group of tech 2 heavies. |
Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:15:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Thenoran
The Ishtar is a dedicated Tech II droneboat, that it has 125 bandwidth is understandable.
If the Proteus had 125 bandwidth, the Ishtar would be nearly obsolete.
75m3 however is indeed not enough, 100m3 would be a good number instead.
um... the proteus has 100 drone bandwidth. Augmented Cap reservoir is the 2nd drone sub. |
Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:13:00 - [ 16]
Tengu is a better missile boat than the t2 version - probably better rails boat if anybody cared to ever try this config.
LEgion is a better laser/ham boat than the t2 versions.
Loki is a better armor tank/speed tank? than the t2 versions?
proteus is a better blaster than diemost, but worse drone(both bay and bandwidth than ishtar)
Why is that?
Drones are the 1 saving grace of gallente. I think the drone subsystem (or combination of ) should reflect that.
Bay + bandwidth should be comparable with the ishtar. Speed or w/e should be the extra - maybe a tracking bonus to account for the t2-t3 difference of 300mil price. |
DHB WildCat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:23:00 - [ 17]
I completely agree with all thats been said.
Give all three ships the 125 Bandwith back... if you have to remove some turret hardpoints to make in line with other races for dps.
But really, they are still sub Battleships, heavy nuets will **** them.... nothing broken about them having their 125 BW, especially with hybrids as bad as they are!
Wild |
Shab T'shet |
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:40:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Deathwing Reborn
I have thought about training for a proteus as a replacement for my Domi when I am in high sec missioning. I never really paid attention when I eft fit one of them to see that it did not have 125 bandwidth.
I think that its a waste of time now because I wouldnt be able to field a full group of tech 2 heavies.
Speaking from experience, your prot will out dps your bonused heavies from your domi. That's just using t2 MFS. You'll also be able to move faster in between targets to make better use of that increased DPS. I'd love a bw of 125 with my current subs but it wouldn't do me any good unless i had a bay that could hold a full flight of heavies AND lights which is a jump from 75m3 to 150 which is a substantial change imo. |
Omara Otawan |
Posted - 2011.04.04 20:49:00 - [ 19]
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Batelle
-Mostly Harmless- |
Posted - 2011.04.05 04:51:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Thenoran
The Ishtar is a dedicated Tech II droneboat, that it has 125 bandwidth is understandable.
If the Proteus had 125 bandwidth, the Ishtar would be nearly obsolete.
A 700 million isk ship will never make a 120 million isk ship obsolete. |
Linsyn |
Posted - 2011.04.06 17:44:00 - [ 21]
Having 125 m3 bandwidth would give the Proteus something like 1189 dps as it is you get 1024 dps with the drone sub and having 134k buffer Would be overpowered but I'd love it  |
ColdCutz
Gallente
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:45:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Linsyn
Having 125 m3 bandwidth would give the Proteus something like 1189 dps as it is you get 1024 dps with the drone sub and having 134k buffer
Would be overpowered but I'd love it
Wat, no? Where in all of New Eden are you pulling these numbers out of? I don't even... I'd love my Proteus if it's drone sub, even with 5 drones, got HALF the dps you're claiming. Can I have some of those imaginary Drone implants you're sporting? Plz? Alright I just want to borrow them, just to test. |
Omara Otawan |
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:00:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: ColdCutz
Originally by: Linsyn
Having 125 m3 bandwidth would give the Proteus something like 1189 dps as it is you get 1024 dps with the drone sub and having 134k buffer
Would be overpowered but I'd love it
Wat, no?
Where in all of New Eden are you pulling these numbers out of? I don't even...
I'd love my Proteus if it's drone sub, even with 5 drones, got HALF the dps you're claiming. Can I have some of those imaginary Drone implants you're sporting? Plz? Alright I just want to borrow them, just to test.
If you struggle to get 500 dps out of your Proteus, you are doing something horribly wrong. His numbers are about right, though you'll need fed navy magstabs to break 1k dps before implants, and the quoted buffer likely includes a set of HG slaves or an armor gang booster. |
Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:05:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Omara Otawan
His numbers are about right, though you'll need fed navy magstabs to break 1k dps before implants, and the quoted buffer likely includes a set of HG slaves or an armor gang booster.
Got the same numbers without implants. Just looked at his setup with EFT and made a few changes with faction stuff. With HG Slaves and dps/armor implants +fleet boost those numbers can get higher. |
ColdCutz
Gallente
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:50:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Omara Otawan
If you struggle to get 500 dps out of your Proteus, you are doing something horribly wrong.
His numbers are about right, though you'll need fed navy magstabs to break 1k dps before implants, and the quoted buffer likely includes a set of HG slaves or an armor gang booster.
C'mon, read before typing. The Drone sub is what I was stating could get no more than 500 dps. Add in blasters and do you get 1024 dps with 100 bandwidth? Honestly I'd be happy to see the fit. |
Linsyn |
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:29:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: ColdCutz
Originally by: Linsyn
Having 125 m3 bandwidth would give the Proteus something like 1189 dps as it is you get 1024 dps with the drone sub and having 134k buffer
Would be overpowered but I'd love it
Wat, no?
Where in all of New Eden are you pulling these numbers out of? I don't even...
I'd love my Proteus if it's drone sub, even with 5 drones, got HALF the dps you're claiming. Can I have some of those imaginary Drone implants you're sporting? Plz? Alright I just want to borrow them, just to test.
Bah Humbug I changed my fit in EFT and changed the sub which allowed me to keep a full rack of blasters plus factoring in the drone damage made epic proportions of damage in line with my even bigger epic fail 4 ogres with either 3 or 4 guns doesnt make that much if it had 5 ogres then would make 900+ my apologies |
Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:43:00 - [ 27]
Right now you can go get a navy vexor and it will have 1000 + dps with 4 drones.
The problem with the proteus( or any blaster ship ) is that it has to travel to spitting distance before it can start applying the dps.
Tengu can do it with t2 short range missiles at 110km.
That's like using 250mm railgun with javelin ammo - which gives you about 9km optimal and can't hit **** to save it's soul.
hmm short range ammo for tengu 110 km, for rails 9km.
Any ship using hybrids has a very small niche to operate in, on the other side tengu can truly do it all - from C6 WH, through PVP, lvl4 missions, plexing, w/e.
That's why proteus needs a subsystem that would truly make it into a drone ship.
Yes - right now it's a great diemost. But diemost (as one can figure from the name) is a fail ship.
Proteus needs to be a better ishtar or don't even try. |
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