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Topic |
Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:53:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Xenuria on 31/03/2011 15:02:03
Consider the following.
I fly a Dominix issued to me by the Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet.
I armor tank level 4 missions with relative ease.
I also use tech 2 medium turrets on my boat and I fit them with jav ammo.
My damage read outs for my current pilot designation "Xenuria" are as follows.
(all the read outs are done without drone dps)
Current fit: -
Volly Damage: 823
Dps = 155
Now look at my damage read outs if I had every skill at max level.
Current fit: -
Volly Damage: 877
Dps = 181
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Conclusion: There is no reason I should bother training any of my gunnery skills because even if I did train them all to max the difference in damage to level 4 mission rats would be so negligible that I would barely notice it.
On Medium guns: The reason I use medium guns is because even with all my skills maxed out I can't fit a full row of heavy guns without running out of capacitor or power grid. I would gladly use a cruiser for the bonus to medium guns if only a cruiser had the same slot composition as a domie. However because it dose not I am unable to tank level 4s in a cruiser.
Suggestions... Thoughts...?
Edit: I have also concluded through EVE FITTING TOOL (EFT) that I will do more damage with tech 2 mediums then if I replaced then with any fittable combination of tech 1 heavies. EVEN with MAX skills my medium tech 2s with CURRENT skills do more damage then a row of tech 1 heavies at max skill. |
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:04:00 - [ 2]
It is somewhat rare to find people that train the Spec skills to 5 as well as Surgial Strike to 5. The small amount of DPS gain compared to the large amount of training time is inefficent. People will go back and train SS once they get to the end of their skill plan.
Also you are fitting MEDIUM turrets to a Domi, it is bonused for LARGE turrets. I'm guessing you don't have enough grid for 350's, but even meta 1/2/3/4 dual 250's would be a better choice over any medium gun, even if it is a T2 Medium 250. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:06:00 - [ 3]
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a new player. (if not this is at least 7/10 troll)
Basically if you want to stay in a domi your whole life in EVE, then yeh probs not much point putting SP into gunnery, it's a drone platform and as such your skills should be going into drones.
If you want to fly any of the hybrid focused gallente ships, brutix/thorax/megathron/vindi etc, then you will absolutely need skills in gunnery. Blaster mega for instance does over 850dps on turrets alone, that's with only 1 MFS II and a few implants.
Another point is that you are using railguns, these are the single lowest dps turrets in the game. Their only advantage is range, if you want to improve your dps figures, look at putting blasters on instead.
PvP absolutely requires turret skills if you are flying gallente. Reason being drones will be shot by sentry fire, so relying them for 100% of your dps is a bad idea if you are the aggressor.
For PvE you will eventually have the money to buy a navy mega or vindicator, these turret focused ships will require SP in gunnery |
Swynet
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:10:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
If you want to fly any of the hybrid focused gallente ships, brutix/thorax/megathron OR SERPENTIS SHIPS LIKE vindi vigilant, then you will absolutely need skills in gunnery. Blaster mega for instance does over 850dps on turrets alone, that's with only 1 MFS II and a few implants.
Fixed 4U  |
Jason W0rthing |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:18:00 - [ 5]
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
troll...7/10
Knowing Xenuria, it's a troll. Or he might just be that bad, sometimes its hard to tell with him. |
Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:21:00 - [ 6]
Artilleries have lower dps than hybrids, same with cruise launchers( who have the same dps as artilleries).
Still - there's 1000+ dps domis that have 6x 425's fitted + shield tank + sentry drones. |
Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:25:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Xenuria on 31/03/2011 15:38:20
Edited by: Xenuria on 31/03/2011 15:34:15
Well Blasters always miss their target even up close...
Also I am doing level 4 missions where the enemy ships like to chill out around 20km. sometimes 57km if they are bosses.
The math is not discriminant...
However I will check and see if I get more dps by useing blasters just for the hell of it.
Edit: Just checked your wrong...
With large blasters only 3 can be fit and even with skills at max it dosent come close to the damage of my medium tech 2 rails. However if I had tech 2 medium blasters I would do superior damage but I dont feel like training that. It is a worthless because I wont be able to reach anything in level 4 missions unless I am fighting serpentis.
Also according to EFT with medium tech 2 blasters with void charges I would only barely break 200 dps which as I am sure you know is pathetic. The case and point here is that There is no way a gallente BS can solo a level 4 mission in less then 5 mins without training non gallente skills. |
Jullian Valdexron
Gallente
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:39:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Jullian Valdexron on 31/03/2011 15:42:04 Originally by: Songbird
Artilleries have lower dps than hybrids, same with cruise launchers( who have the same dps as artilleries).
Still - there's 1000+ dps domis that have 6x 425's fitted + shield tank + sentry drones.
You can't fit that many heavies on a domi the power grid will blow up after about 3. Even if you could fit all slots with the most powerful heavy blaster turret and used the highest damage ammo your dps would only come to "481".. So don't give me this bull**** about 1000 dps domies. |
Mysteriax
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:57:00 - [ 9]
How about a 914 DPS domi viable for level 4's
[Dominix, ratting domi]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Flux Coil II
Shield Flux Coil II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5
Not that I would suggest flying it but it would work. |
Pantload
Gallente
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Flatline. |
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:59:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Jullian Valdexron
Edited by: Jullian Valdexron on 31/03/2011 15:42:04
Originally by: Songbird
Artilleries have lower dps than hybrids, same with cruise launchers( who have the same dps as artilleries).
Still - there's 1000+ dps domis that have 6x 425's fitted + shield tank + sentry drones.
You can't fit that many heavies on a domi the power grid will blow up after about 3.
Even if you could fit all slots with the most powerful heavy blaster turret and used the highest damage ammo your dps would only come to "481"..
So don't give me this bull**** about 1000 dps domies.
Not BS. A high end rails+sentries+shieldtank Domi easily cracks 1k DPS. In fact its quite possible to crack 1100 DPS with that type of mission fit. For Pvp, if the Domi is a damage dealer, fitted with blasters, DPS can exceed 1300. Just some food for thought. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente |
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:06:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Kneebone
It is somewhat rare to find people that train the Spec skills to 5 as well as Surgial Strike to 5.
Really? Its all the small % bonuses that adds up to really make a ship shine in the end, if you are not happy with a generic medium dps ships. All my alts got all gunnery and missile support skills to 5, but not all specs, yet ;). |
Adian Grey |
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:08:00 - [ 12]
How about you post your current domi fit... |
Blisshunt |
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:26:00 - [ 13]
For PVE and the range mentioned this fit would work, but i wouldn't really recommend it:
[Dominix, Lvl 4]
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Federation Navy Large Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Curator II x5
Warden I x1
Gives you about 350 DPS with just guns, and 840 with Garde II's, and able to tank all L4's with aggro control. I would rather go with cap rechargers II's and capacitor powerrelays just to dont haul loads of cap boosters, and be a bit more AFK friendly. Your main DPS will come from drones on a domi, either way. My best use for the domi, has so far been to use it as RR and ET for fleet members as I let my sentries do all my damage. Don't rely to heavy on RR form domi on missions like The Assault, though, cause it will be a primed target for jammers.
Fly safe! |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic |
Posted - 2011.03.31 18:17:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Xenuria
Edited by: Xenuria on 31/03/2011 15:38:20
Edited by: Xenuria on 31/03/2011 15:34:15
Well Blasters always miss their target even up close...
LOLOL use webs derpderp Quote:
Also I am doing level 4 missions where the enemy ships like to chill out around 20km. sometimes 57km if they are bosses.
Yup yup, That's why (as I said) you focus on drones with the domi. When you actually get into a real turret ship, you'll be able to fit large rails/blasters which have the range to hit those kiting BS. Also yeh, I ran l4 mish for a long while, most of the BS you find will be close range things unless you fight lots of guristas/amarr/caldari. I know they like to hang around 50km. Serps/angels only have a few kiting ships (rear admirals, saints/seraphims etc) You should be working for the faction that best suits the ship you are using, or conversely you should adjust your ship to combat the types of rats you will be shooting. Quote:
However I will check and see if I get more dps by useing blasters just for the hell of it.
Edit: Just checked your wrong...
With large blasters only 3 can be fit and even with skills at max it dosent come close to the damage of my medium tech 2 rails. However if I had tech 2 medium blasters I would do superior damage but I dont feel like training that. It is a worthless because I wont be able to reach anything in level 4 missions unless I am fighting serpentis.
Noooo, I'm right, you just fail at fitting your ship ^^ Blasters do more dps than rails, this doesn't mean that 1 large blaster outdamages 6 rails, this means that 6 medium (or large) blasters will outdamage your 6 rails. If you can't figure out how to fit that to your ship, welllll that's not my fault :D (oh just ran the numbers and 3 large electrons does indeed give you higher dps than the numbers you quoted in your OP) Anyway as I said originally, the advantage of rails is range. If you value your range more than your dps than by all means never put another SP into gunnery, just don't complain that you do terrifail damage. Quote:
Also according to EFT with medium tech 2 blasters with void charges I would only barely break 200 dps which as I am sure you know is pathetic. The case and point here is that There is no way a gallente BS can solo a level 4 mission in less then 5 mins without training non gallente skills.
Lies, full rack of neutrons does 325dps without heat, ions get 304, electron 284 Oh and 200 dps isn't as pathetic as 155 trololol In summation, turns out this really is a troll. Oh well got me :D |
Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.03.31 21:49:00 - [ 15]
EFT does not lies to meh!
There is no such thing as a 1000 dps Dominix..
You who think you have found a 1000 domi are a troll. You are counting drones as part of the dps.
Without Drones...
Without
Drones...
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Sjugar |
Posted - 2011.03.31 23:07:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Sjugar on 31/03/2011 23:08:33 Originally by: Xenuria
EFT does not lies to meh!
There is no such thing as a 1000 dps Dominix..
You who think you have found a 1000 domi are a troll. You are counting drones as part of the dps.
Without Drones...
Without
Drones...
Being the best normal DRONE-battleship in the game, why would you consider the domi without drones. With................drones. A domi without drones is like any other ship without ammo. With drones With drones With drones With drones With drones With drones With drones With drones With drones (edit, damn troll and I bit) |
Jace81
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.04.01 08:35:00 - [ 17]
Edited by: Jace81 on 01/04/2011 08:35:55
Some food for the troll
At level V skills in EFT this fit does 1108 DPS No drones probly costs the price of a carrier or 2 but it is possible
[Dominix, 1000DPSpaper domi no drones]
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Cormack's Modified Ion Blaster Cannon, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L
Cormack's Modified Ion Blaster Cannon, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L
Cormack's Modified Ion Blaster Cannon, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L
Cormack's Modified Ion Blaster Cannon, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L
Cormack's Modified Ion Blaster Cannon, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L
Cormack's Modified Ion Blaster Cannon, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
|
Flex Nebura
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.04.01 08:43:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Flex Nebura on 01/04/2011 08:44:27
nm forgot what an ancillary current router was for. |
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