Posted - 2011.03.31 05:45:00 - [62]

 

An unfortunate turn of events for our Caldari friends on both sides of this conflict. We would encourage both sides to seek mediation or a neutral arbitrator. What can occasionally be solved by a few words not said in anger, need not cost thousands of lives and billions of ISk among fellow State supporters.

That being said I-RED has been a long term supporter over many years and we maintain positive standings and cooperation. Any neutral vessels engaging IRED assets while near any of our territory will be removed.

Posted - 2011.03.31 09:01:00 - [64]

 

Originally by: Silas Vitalia

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An unfortunate turn of events for our Caldari friends on both sides of this conflict. We would encourage both sides to seek mediation or a neutral arbitrator. What can occasionally be solved by a few words not said in anger, need not cost thousands of lives and billions of ISk among fellow State supporters.

That being said I-RED has been a long term supporter over many years and we maintain positive standings and cooperation. Any neutral vessels engaging IRED assets while near any of our territory will be removed.

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Greetings Silas,
The Khanid People have always had a soft spot in my heart if for nothing else aside from their struggle for independence from the greater Amarr Empire which in turn reminds me of the Gallante/Caldari struggle.

While internal Caldari Corporation conflict is nothing new what saddens me in this regard is the sheer amount of misguided action being taken by our counterparts over at I-RED. Despite the facts being stated before in this thread (with time stamped killmails I might add) the I-RED Directorate are insistent on calling the Wolfbrigade a Pirate Faction.

The problem here is unresearched assumptions made by an entity that is totally unfamiliar with the day to day politics and happenings of the Caldari Gallente War and the warzone known as Blackrise/Placid.

Aside from the daily conflict with the Gallente we are dealing with the lowest of low forms of Pirates and Criminals in the low security systems and some times they deal with 'high security standing' individuals to resupply them with the weapons they need to keep up their illegal actions against civilians and corporations alike. It is not like we can ask them to play fair, thus our need to lower our standards in warfare to meet them in the mud and stomp them is the prevailing actions that might be misconstrued by affecting some of our pilots security status to negative sides. This unfortunately is a necessary evil and a sacrifice made by our pilots with the greater interest of the State and spreading their influence over not only over Gallente but outlaw controlled low security systems.

Back to our I-RED counterparts. They come into the middle of a warzone/ shoot a few pilots fighting for the State protectorate and act shocked that these soldiers retaliate. Then they claim loyalty to the State by not only declaring war on the most successful and fierce Caldari fighting force but by aligning a truce with the Gallente of all people. Admiral Tovil Toba would be proud.

“The Enemy of our Enemy is our friend”? you ask? Doubtful as this goes to show a more sinister interest in my humble opinion.

If they know who we are and continue their aggression then one must take a step back and contemplate the real benefactor of a war guided at the largest and most organized entity currently fighting for the State. If they do not know who we are then it is what I set to point out before, nothing other than unresearched and uninformed actions made by an individual that is not in touch with the day to day realities of actually fighting for the state.

To fight for the state, it is not only a slogan one puts into his corporation description, Loyalty to the state, it is not something said. It is something that shows in your actions and not words, actions such as fleeting and fighting the enemies of the state, both illegal entities and foreign threats, internal and external.

While I see much talk of loyalty to the State from I-RED I see actions that are contradictory to that.

In the meantime I hear the Gallente Raid sirens blaring outside the docking bays of the station so I must end this transmission to fleet up and actually fight for the state with my ships and pilots not with my mouth forum posts and corporate descriptions.

Posted - 2011.03.31 09:22:00 - [66]

 

Mr Typhos

In an effort to ensure I understand the responses from Anshar Inc regarding this, I've taken the time to review each of your responses carefully.

Originally by: Senn Typhos

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I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.

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This taken from early in the debate would suggest that you believe of the two parties Wolfsbrigade is closer to Caldari loyalists than I-RED.

Originally by: Senn Typhos

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Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.

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This from the same post implies you are calling I-RED's loyalties into question.

Now I'm not suggesting here that you are taking sides yourself, I'm not claiming that based on your comments in this debate that you believe one side should be victorious over the other (though previous exchanges between I-RED and Anshar would hint at a personal preference).

I'm simply questioning the logic of citing the Prosperity Station defence as cause to claim Wolfsbrigade are more loyal to the State than I-RED when both groups were involved on the same side.

I find it curious that those from the Federation militia who took part in the defence are not being labelled Seperatist sympathisers, or rebels for setting blue standings with pilots from the Caldari militia. I find it curious that members of the Caldari militia (including Wolfsbrigade) are not being accused of the same for applying blue standings with their counterparts in the Federation.

I understand that the Prosperity Station defence was a special case in the face of capsuleer piracy, however it is my understanding from the recent QCATS announcement regarding blue standings with I-RED that the same situation applies. Taken from their announcement (the bold emphasis is mine):

Originally by: Alain Colcer

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The Ishukone subsidiary recently came in contact with [QCATS] CEO and Directors to inform their intent on engaging outlaws and pirate organizations in their area of operation within the Black Rise Region.

Said operational goals are aligned with [QCATS] rules of engagement and current area of deployment, therefore after a gesture of intent for cooperation; both organizations confirmed a blue status standing to facilitate fleet operations against potential hostile targets. We wish to clarify this does not change [I-RED] political leaning, nor [QCATS] commitment to the war effort against the State Protectorate forces.

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There are a number of corporations across New Eden which operate across the border in another nation state. Ishukone is present across Essence, Placid and Sinq Laison. Is the Megacorp going to find itself targetted as a whole? Freedom Extension has stations in The Citadel amongst other regions. Does this mean they have turned their back on the Republic and are now State advocates? No, of course not. To claim the same of I-RED for working along side groups from outside the State is little more than ridiculous.

Posted - 2011.03.31 10:08:00 - [68]

 

Originally by: Trinergon

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Dear Caldari loyalists,

the Black Rise/Placid region are a war zone, there are no 'neutral' parties there, despite whatever the corrupt, pro-Gallente CONCORD organization may suggest to you.

If you bring combat ships into the sectors controlled and patrolled by the Wolfsbrigade and fellow militia corporations, you will have to live with (or die to) the fact that our fleets will try to dispatch both pirate and so-called anti-pirate threats to our operations without prejudice.

Best regards.

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I think I should increase my standard prices for shovels.

Thank you for the clarification Trinergon.

Posted - 2011.03.31 11:13:00 - [70]

 

Originally by: Lyn Farel

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This is confusing. Who is pirating ?

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Ask John

Posted - 2011.03.31 15:41:00 - [72]

 

Originally by: Stalking Mantis

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..we are dealing with the lowest of low forms of Pirates and Criminals in the low security systems and some times they deal with 'high security standing' individuals to resupply them with the weapons they need to keep up their illegal actions against civilians and corporations alike. It is not like we can ask them to play fair, thus our need to lower our standards in warfare to meet them in the mud and stomp them is the prevailing actions that might be misconstrued by affecting some of our pilots security status to negative sides. This unfortunately is a necessary evil and a sacrifice made by our pilots with the greater interest of the State and spreading their influence over not only over Gallente but outlaw controlled low security systems.

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Anyone with half a brain understands CONCORD is not the arbiter of anything. "Security status" is often a meaningless measure. Your words speak wisdom.

In light of a growing understanding of the situation I must slightly amend our previous statement:

1. Our standings with IRED remain, and any IRED assets within our sovereign territory will be defended against anyone, regardless of circumstances, fault, or cause. "Blues are Blues," as the laymen say.

2. We would also wish to remain on friendly terms with the Protectorate, an organization we have spilled blood for, and support in principal in the fight against Federal aggression. As foreigners we must admit to having an outsiders' point of view on the situation, which can often be clouded and imprecise with regard to local politics in space. We would again encourage mediation or arbitration for an immediate resolution. We will not be attacking Protectorate supporters.

3. Our friends in IRED have a reputation for maintaining positive standings with a wide number of groups from a variety of political backgrounds. This is their business and our dealings with them are generally quite separate and far removed from their other associations. We must however be quite clear that any assistance to IRED will never extend to supporting or aiding -any- Federation supporters, under any circumstances.

We again call for a neutral party to arbitrate an immediate cease-fire and broker a resolution.

Posted - 2011.03.31 17:02:00 - [74]

 

I can start doing some talking if you want. Im know as a fair and pretty damn nice fella.


PS. I-Red. Learn to read. State has schools you know.

Posted - 2011.03.31 17:20:00 - [76]

 

I guess what it boils down to is the question, is I-RED working with Quantum Cats and to what extent?

If so, does this indicate a defection on the part of I-RED or QC?

Set aside for a minute who is shooting at whom and let's make sure which side of the map we all stand on. After that, picking targets is easy.

Posted - 2011.03.31 17:54:00 - [78]

 

Originally by: Sylorin

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I guess what it boils down to is the question, is I-RED working with Quantum Cats and to what extent?

If so, does this indicate a defection on the part of I-RED or QC?

Set aside for a minute who is shooting at whom and let's make sure which side of the map we all stand on. After that, picking targets is easy.

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Monsieur Sylorin, i wish to direct your attention towards [QCATS] Official announcement on this topic here. We explain as much as possible the extent of our agreement.

Posted - 2011.04.01 00:44:00 - [80]

 

Edited by: BacardiDesire on 01/04/2011 00:44:44
I have been around this area for quite a while now, I have also seen both sides of the conflict. If I have learned one thing during that whole time, it would be that the militia ellements for a certain Faction are so much more then their so called loyalist proxy groups that fight for their so called beliefs.

As one of the newly aquired Admirals under the banner of the Wolfsbrigade corporation, I will do anything within my power to make sure our enemies bite the dust, like I have always aimed for and nearly always have succeeded in .

All I got to say right now is that the military power of I-red is in general rather.. dissapointing in our first fight. I want to wish our oponements in this war allot of luck and hopefully enough good fights

Signed,
Admiral BacardiDesire

Posted - 2011.04.01 09:58:00 - [82]

 

Isn't that a Shadows of The Federation Archon you killed?

Posted - 2011.04.01 20:28:00 - [84]

 

Edited by: Koratte on 01/04/2011 20:31:55
Edited by: Koratte on 01/04/2011 20:29:45

Originally by: Neo Gabriel

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but were out done by our brilliant strategics.

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= Fighting while you outnumber them 6:1?

'Brilliant strategics' like that are the reason the Gallente militia is hemorrhaging it's supporters. It's bad enough that you need that many more ships (and carriers) to fight such a small fleet. It' worse that you rub it in like you're some kind of tactical genius.

Originally by: Neo Gabriel

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SLAPD and the rest of the Gallente Militia (and allies) based out of Heydieles is considering establishing a no-fly zone in black rise.

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If you can't establish a no-fly zone in your home system, how do you hope to establish it region-wide? Body odour?

Posted - 2011.04.02 00:16:00 - [86]

 

Are you implying any of the pilots serving within Wolfsbrigade, or any other capsuleer-owned corporation fighting for the State (or the Federation for that matter), are anything less than 'volunteers'?

Posted - 2011.04.02 03:53:00 - [88]

 

Originally by: Koratte

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Are you implying any of the pilots serving within Wolfsbrigade, or any other capsuleer-owned corporation fighting for the State (or the Federation for that matter), are anything less than 'volunteers'?

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They are volunteers, and they are also part of the State Protectorate and not a mega-corporation like Ishukone. Are you further emphasizing my point or are you confused about what I said?

Originally by: Blake Rathen

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The lack of Gallente militia targets may be an indication that the Gallente militia do not concern themselves with shooting groups who are not hostile to them.

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Not even the slightest bit true.

Originally by: Blake Rathen

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Ishuk-Raata is not in the militias, and typically follows the same neutral stance on that conflict as that of the individual megacorporations...The miliita conflicts are the domain of STPRO

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More bull****, the Caldari mega-corps ARE the State. It is their war; they are the ones that are making a profit from it. QCATS and other Union corps have ignorantly allied themselves with Caldari profiteers for no other reason than an inherently flawed "enemy of my enemy" doctrine.

It would be in everyone's best interest if Wolfsbrigade broke this alliance in half (which it probably will).

Posted - 2011.04.02 08:17:00 - [90]

 

Originally by: Blake Rathen

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Your Statement

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This mentality is the cancer eating away at the Caldari. It is the typical Profiteering school of thought that liberal Caldari corporations do business with whoever and whatever. You would not have a corporation or any influence what so ever or a caldari state for that matter if it was not for the brave sacrifices made to save the people of caldari prime and secure a space for the Caldari people to live and trade. We are the soldiers of the Caldari, we provide you with the protection against the Gallente that want nothing more than to return you into their fold under their rule. I strongly suggest you do more reserch on the history of the Caldari and its corporations.

Now that being said we have no issue of you making isk by negotiating any trade terms you want with whomever you want. My only note is you do not agree to trade negotiations with the same people fighting the Caldari soldiers in Intaki and claim to be 'Caldari Loyalist'. Nor do you attack Caldari soldiers (and get dispatched very fast doing it) and claim to be Caldari soldiers. Your leader has no moral ground to stand on to throw out names like 'pirate' to best suit his propaganda.

Let there be no mistake, the only loyalty you have is to isk, so I strongly suggest you change your corporation description and propaganda techniques as you’re not fooling anyone with that 'Caldari Loyalist' talk. In my book to be a caldari loyalist is to fight for the state, not by talk, but by actually undocking ships and shooting enemies of the state. The day you do that is the day you can even start to discuss being a 'Caldari Loyalist'. Until that day you are nothing but a profiteering corporation operation under the blanket of protection and sovereignty provided by the likes of us, the REAL Caldari Loyalist putting their lives on the line day in and day out fighting for the State, with actions not words.

As for making isk with non Caldari entities, go ahead do so as you please with whomever you please. The only thing that has changed since the beginning of this war is the fact that by declaring war against the people that fight for the state you have thrown away your corporations rights and ability to operate within the State. Rest assured we will ensure that you have all the the ability to wrap yourselves in the bosom of your trading partners so long as you are in their space. But Caldari space is off limits to you and believe me when I say you have not yet seen any Wolfsbrigade military action against you, for on the list of people the Wolfsbrigade is currently fighting I assure you your corporation and its members are somewhere on the bottom. When we do strike you will know, until then enjoy your new found homes in gallente space.

To borrow a term from someone else in this forum Caldari Space is a I-RED no fly zone.