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elitatwo
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.03.09 14:56:00 - [ 1]
I made suggestion to the favor of Tier 1 battleships well in this case just the one.
Now I repeat my request with no change. Flame me afterward but read the full thread first!
I am always referring to 1 vs 1 combat situations.
Now all the Tier 1 battleships have a long history and everone knows them.
But since I talk about battleships the Scorpion was left out when all other races got their weapons on them.
But lets have a look at those first:
- Apocalypse:
Amarr laser boat with descent firepower
- Typhoon:
Minmatar projectile cannon boat with descent firepower
- Dominix:
Gallente mini-carrier with a holy lot firepower
- and finally the Scorpion:
ECM boat with battleship hull and a fully dull weapon/high-slot layout, 4 turret, 4 missiles and 6 together with no real use.
You can now try to put the 6 high slot to use by trying a turret / missile combo but you know that combos are not a solution here as none of the weapons get a buff of some kind.
Making it a turret boat just lacks firepower, as with missiles.
You may have an advantage with your ecm onboard but you cannot do much damage if you do so.
Try it out for yourself if you have to flame:
Apocalypse vs Scorpion: Apocalypse wins
Dominix vs Scorpion: Dominix wins
Typhoon vs Scorpion: Typhoon wins
Aren't Caldari crippled enough for gods sake?
I am not suggesting to make the Scorpion an ubar-wtfpwnmobile but to increase her firepower to be inline with the other races and that some people fear her even more. So either make her a turret or a missile boat but give her the firepower that the other three races have.
And leave her new hull as it is now |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:03:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: elitatwo
You may have an advantage with your ecm onboard but you cannot do much damage if you do so.
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Meeko Atari |
Posted - 2011.03.09 16:00:00 - [ 3]
I'm almost positive that in your list there is another " split weapon " ship. ECM is a role, and the Scorpion is the only long range option left in EVE  If you cant figure out how to use it...don't It fills it's role, one that no other Tier 1 BS can fill |
Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect |
Posted - 2011.03.09 17:01:00 - [ 4]
Originally by: elitatwo
Apocalypse vs Scorpion: Apocalypse wins
Dominix vs Scorpion: Dominix wins
Typhoon vs Scorpion: Typhoon wins
I disagree. It should look more like this: Originally by: elitatwo
Apocalypse vs Scorpion: Stalemate: Apoc is perma-jammed and Scorp can't break Apoc's tank
Dominix vs Scorpion: Stalemate: Domi is perma-jammed and Scorp can't break Domi's tank. Domi loses all drones to Scorpion's drones and smartbombs
Typhoon vs Scorpion: Stalemate: Typhoon is perma-jammed and Scorp can't break Typhoon's tank, but then Typhoon starts to break up because it's Minmatar and was actually held together by duct tape, though the Scorpions mediocre firepower had little to do with the destruction of the Typhoon.
Fixed it =) Seriously though, the Scorp does what it is supposed to do, and it's my favourite ship. LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! |
Sig Sour |
Posted - 2011.03.09 17:54:00 - [ 5]
If anything the other races need ewar battleships added. Maybe that is what CCP will end up doing with the starship contest ships. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:31:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Gypsio III on 09/03/2011 18:32:45[Scorpion, heh] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Tanky stuff ECMy stuff Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Riggy stuff Hammerhead II x5 741 DPS. Or drop the blasters for neuts. What does the OP want, 1000 DPS or something? Edit - 792 DPS with 2-2-1 drones, heh. |
Kogh Ayon |
Posted - 2011.03.09 22:04:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 09/03/2011 22:07:46I always refer to 1 vs 1 combat situations also. Falcon VS Vexor. Vexor wins Falcon VS Myrmidon . Myrmidon wins. Falcom VS Dominix. Dominix wins. Boost falcon please it is too wea******  Hummm Scimitar VS rifter, rifter wins! Scimitar VS merlin, merlin wins! Omg what a crappy T2 ship can't even defeat a t1 frigate? |
Misanthra |
Posted - 2011.03.09 23:01:00 - [ 8]
Scorpion jams....Its missiles are for ho'ing kms for something besides ewar and to help out the structure bashing if enemy really didn't want that pos and doesn't sc**** a defence fleet up. gets you on the mod km's...not sexy km's but km's all the same.
1 v 1, jam and grind them, jsut like with falcon and fox. don't go for drone boats or stick around for fof running missile boats.
Plus based on fit...you scorpioin will have rigs for ecm performance (scorp fits I see and run make ecm work as good as possible). No extenders, no em rig for that hole even. Its mids wil be propulsion and ecm, maybe tank (I ran armor tank scorps...to get the ecm in). Not a lot of tp going on an ecm spec scorpion. Means BC and below is working those missile calcs to offset cruise (or torp damage) much more. BS...will work the same calcs jsut not as well (BS like mach an exception, zippy for a big ship). All this adds up to poor dps and defence.
Now you might say you aren't fitting your scorp for ecm. then you'd be doing something wrong tbh. Trying to make a scorpion a raven, jsut fly a raven. |
TestBedder |
Posted - 2011.03.11 01:57:00 - [ 9]
Your arguement is invalidated.
The Apocalypse is a Tier 2 Battleship.
You make reference to the Apoc when in fact you mean the Geddon, being Amarr, snuffs all.
If you want your Scorp to have more firepower, use a Navy Scorp or a Rattlesnake.
Redo your "comparisons" with Geddons and Navy Scorps and see how your argument is invalidated. |
Selinate
Amarr |
Posted - 2011.03.11 02:46:00 - [ 10]
of course apocalypse wins, the Armageddon is the tier 1 bs for amarr, not the Apoc. |
Roblight
The 0rphanage |
Posted - 2011.03.11 05:19:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: Roblight on 11/03/2011 05:19:35
well if you actually compare the navy scorp to the other similar navy ships its dps isn't as awesome as you imagine. The only thing the navy scorp has to offer is the ability to wtf tank.
The navy scorp compared to the rest of the equivalent navy ships actually gets somewhat screwed. All the other navy ships ie (domi, geddon and phoon) get either another mid or low slot while keeping the same dps as their base weapon system or gain more if a low slot is added. While the navy scorp gains no additional mid or low slots but switches weapon systems over to the ravens but ends up having less dps than a raven because it doesn't have enough high slots to do it.
So the only thing the navy scorp gains is an extra high slot compared to a regular scorp bs,and this high slot is either used as utility or to put on a non bonused gun. The navy scorp gets less dps than a raven because the raven has 2 extra high slots for guns while the navy only gets that extra one meaning a raven gets more dps.
Now this is probably because the navy scorp is the only ship to have its weapon system completely changed but I was hoping that it would at least break 1200 dps like all the other navy ships but sadly it doesn't happen unless you really want to sacrifice a DCU II for another BCU. Now I am not saying the navy scorp is terrible in any way but most of the time navy ships turn into ganking machines but all the navy scorp does is just become a tanking machine with some decent dps on the side |
Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden. |
Posted - 2011.03.11 06:09:00 - [ 12]
Quote:
Now all the Quote:
Tier 1
battleships have a long history and everone knows them. But since I talk about battleships the Scorpion was left out when all other races got their weapons on them. But lets have a look at those first: - Apocalypse:
You fail before you even started. Quote:
Scimitar VS rifter, rifter wins! Scimitar VS merlin, merlin wins! Omg what a crappy T2 ship can't even defeat a t1 frigate?
I would kill them both in a Scimitar, even killed a brutix with it once. |
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