Posted - 2011.03.09 08:51:00 - [3]

 

What dexington said, basically. You really play an MMO to play with other people (Imo), so unless you have a dedicated account for alt+tab mission running or something, I'd say that being in a corporation with more people is more fun. But that's all up to you of cource, if you don't see any advantages and don't like social interaction, then by all means^^

Posted - 2011.03.09 10:31:00 - [5]

 

Originally by: Dek'athor

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So why join a missioning corp ?

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Because you can have the exact same benefits as in your 1-man corp.

…so the question is rather: what's the benefit of a corp?

Posted - 2011.03.09 10:58:00 - [7]

 

I think you just want to play the game on your owne, and there is nothing wrong with that. You don't need an excuse for not joining a play run corp, if your social needs are covered by chatting with random people in public channels, and at the same time you don't trust anyone enough to run missions with them it's probably best you don't join a corp.

Some people like being part of a more tightly knitted group that work together on reaching a common goal, if you don't have that need your are probably going to do just fine without a corp. People play mmo's for different reasons and are commited to the game on different social levels, some prefer to not get very socially involved others are looking to find "close friends".

Posted - 2011.03.09 11:28:00 - [9]

 

Edited by: Dek''athor on 09/03/2011 11:39:22

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They'll get you regardless of whether you're in the same corp or not. That risk comes inherent with the faction fit.

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You can take extra precautions:
* insta undocks
* warp to x > 50 to check for stuff at the gate for rarely visited systems or make 10 AU or so safes from regular used gates and directional scan for suspicions masses of battleships/gank ships
* analyze the situation on the other side of the gate, ready to warp/turn on overheated hardeners as soon as gate cloak drops if the situation is bad
* fit for omni tank
* warp out of the pocket if more than 1 person comes to visit
* have drones on passive
* dun take any can/wreck bait and if any accident happened and you got GCC be aware of GCC extension mechanics beyond the 15 mins and log off for the day (or until next downtime)

That-^ will make it harder for a group of gankers to get you. But it won't save you when the nice and sociable newbie corpie you've been having tag along for a few weeks to your missions finally gets in his new battleship he trained for and (with the help of the right mission incoming dps ->there are a few that'll stress pve tanks) proceeds to scramble/web/dual-triple neut kill your ship.

And before anyone wonders I haven't been in a mission corp and I haven't had my ship blown out in the way described above. The bout of paranoia came from several C&P posts and pirate blogs I've been reading detailing such faction ship kills.

Posted - 2011.03.09 12:23:00 - [11]

 

Edited by: Dek''athor on 09/03/2011 12:30:13
Hey...this is EvE we'r talking about, there's no such thing as paranoia. It's called being careful























AMG! the gankers are trying to make me take my medicine even here on the forums! they'r after me!!!!!!! Better get my rookie ship into station FAST!








Seriously now, I'm grateful for the opinions presented in the topic (even tho I still don't see any tangible benefit from being in a missioning corp) and understand that social aspect of a corp is on a different level than other social interactions out there.
I'll start to call missioning corps "social corps" instead, since it fits the profile better

Posted - 2011.03.09 14:20:00 - [13]

 

Originally by: Baneken

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 09/03/2011 11:00:50

Originally by: Dek'athor

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Not quite, there's always the added risk of having some pirate's newbie alt in your corp, hunting for your juicy faction fit ship killmail.

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They'll get you regardless of whether you're in the same corp or not. That risk comes inherent with the faction fit.

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And if you have a paladin with a 20bil fit you deserve to be blown up anyway.
Only thing that sometimes puzzles about EvE is how certain unscrupulous people that I know of always manage to find that one 16bil marauder owned & flown by an idiot who grinds missions in it under a war dec.

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Once you play long enough, you develop some connections that'll help with intelligence.

Posted - 2011.03.09 15:59:00 - [15]

 

Originally by: Dek'athor

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...over a 1 man corporation with zero tax


I've been pondering about this and I haven't come up with anything worthwhile. In my 1 player corps I have the following:

* zero tax
* zero chance of corp spy/disguised pirate to steal assets
* zero chance of being ganked in highsec in a high end missioning setup by fleeted corpie who can suddenly decide to turn to a pirate life and pad his killboard with a nice kill
* I get to keep all the bounties and LP's by not fleeting up with some rookies that will most likely shoot wrong triggers and aggro wrong packs
* I don't need corp salvager since I usually salvage only a few select missions with my noctis
* I don't really need corp manufacturing and the obligatory mining ops since I can make my own ammo/consumables with the melted crap I get when looting
* I get appropriate entertainment out of EVE radio and the (100+ people) missioning in-game channel
* If somebody wants to wardec my corp I can easily drop to a npc corp and make a new corporation (t'is cheap). And dun go telling me missioning corps are going to fight off wardecs, it ain't gonna happen, and if it does it will shutdown missioning.

So why join a missioning corp ?

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I've got 2 corps, Main with a research/mfr/mining/trading alt., and another exploration alt in a separate corp. By putting all characters at a "10", I can access jetcans from either corp without penalty.

There are drawbacks in that I can't do Incursions unless I join a ragtag fleet, WHs are a logistics/tactical challenge, and solo PvP is kinda archaic nowadays.

As the above posters say, the main advantage of any good corp is the camaraderie and ability to join together to perform deeds of derring-do and waving of e-peens. If you've been there, done that in RL, solo Eve can be satisfying, fun, and relaxing as its just you versus all of Eve.

Posted - 2011.03.09 17:06:00 - [17]

 

Edited by: Nuela on 09/03/2011 17:08:19
I have to agree with the OP. I used to be very helpful to new corpies. I'd allow them to tag along...help them along etc etc. However, my eyes were opened when we were wardecced and a group of WTs laid traps for me in my favorite areas. They were good. From the first minute they were waiting for me.

Now...they COULD have just done really good research on me...realized that I had fancy ships that I liked to mission in...and followed my behavior so they could trap me.

However, it is much more likely (like 100%) that one of the 'new' corpies I was helping out was a spy.

I then started looking at new corpies. How they acted. Spoke etc. I came to the conclusion that over 90% of them were not what they seem and that a good majority of them probably had hostile intent. I stopped helping newbies until they hung around a few months. Guess what? We have been wardecced many times since then...and the WTs don't seem to have nearly the amount of intelligence on my activities. Wardeccs have been pretty quiet.

So, why the hell would I join a missioning corp which is probably full of these dudes? Hell, over half of them are probably spies of some sort.

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That being said, a good, small close-knit missioning corp would be cool. You could set up territory in low sec...run lvl 5's and other things. I think it would be cool.

HOWEVER...I notice on recruitment that many missioning corps are recruiting...but their tax rates are 10% or higher. WTH? This is missioning. What does the corp need that money for? MAYBE 1% (MAYBE) to cover....no. The only proper tax for a missioning corp is 0%. I might do 1% for right one but anything over 1% is a scam missioning corp.

Posted - 2011.03.09 18:16:00 - [19]

 

Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 09/03/2011 11:00:50

Originally by: Dek'athor

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Not quite, there's always the added risk of having some pirate's newbie alt in your corp, hunting for your juicy faction fit ship killmail.

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They'll get you regardless of whether you're in the same corp or not. That risk comes inherent with the faction fit.

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Trust me, being in a big corp with a griefer/pirate alt increases gank chance by quite a bit. And no, they do not try to gank you with the newb alt in corp, despite benefit of no concord. It's a waste of a spy to use that way. They use it as scout for easy targets for out of corp suicide gankers. It's one of the most common tactics in highsec ganking. Only noob griefers waste their time scan mission sites or camp those days.

Posted - 2011.03.09 21:21:00 - [21]

 

Edited by: eek amouse on 09/03/2011 21:21:29
i think it's funny how many anti-social mission *****s don't know about locator agents and just assume all the red flashies that show up are obviously tipped off by SPAIS!

Posted - 2011.03.10 06:01:00 - [23]

 

Originally by: Nuela

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HOWEVER...I notice on recruitment that many missioning corps are recruiting...but their tax rates are 10% or higher. WTH? This is missioning. What does the corp need that money for? MAYBE 1% (MAYBE) to cover....no. The only proper tax for a missioning corp is 0%. I might do 1% for right one but anything over 1% is a scam missioning corp.

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Guess which 'scam' was in vogue for a while a few years back ?
Yup. Collect a big bunch noobs to grind missions to your alts corp with 10% tax (or even higher depending) and let them loot lvl 4 missions straight in to your pocket.
Though I don't see a point in ripping off a corp once you get like 50 people logged in daily in it because it could obviously be something much more but apparently some people have no such qualms about the issue.

Posted - 2011.03.10 09:15:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: Goose99

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Originally by: eek amouse

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Edited by: eek amouse on 09/03/2011 21:21:29
i think it's funny how many anti-social mission *****s don't know about locator agents and just assume all the red flashies that show up are obviously tipped off by SPAIS!

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This shows you've never griefed before. You do not waste time running locater agents on random carebears who may or may not be afk, and may or may not be packing a pimpfit. Spies are to know who in what system has pimpfits they linked in the past and is out grinding. It's for intel + target picking. If you run locater agents, you're better off probe or scan off gates and stations for random people.

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lol

Posted - 2011.03.10 15:31:00 - [27]

 

Edited by: Nuela on 10/03/2011 15:39:52

Originally by: Goose99

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Originally by: eek amouse

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Edited by: eek amouse on 09/03/2011 21:21:29
i think it's funny how many anti-social mission *****s don't know about locator agents and just assume all the red flashies that show up are obviously tipped off by SPAIS!

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This shows you've never griefed before. You do not waste time running locater agents on random carebears who may or may not be afk, and may or may not be packing a pimpfit. Spies are to know who in what system has pimpfits they linked in the past and is out grinding. It's for intel + target picking. If you run locater agents, you're better off probe or scan off gates and stations for random people.

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Exactly. During wardecs I am afk for long periods of time. I stay logged in almost 23/7 just to waste their time since I am usually far away from corpmates. They have to make 20+ jumps to hunt me and I am their only WT in the area. You come after me in a wardec and you will be bored to tears unless you have a spy. I also have 2 other chars with 2+ year history around empire far apart logged in as well almost 23/7. In order to shut me down you need to go after all 3 at once. Locator agents, while they can be useful can also be used against you.

Even if you do manage to cut through the static and do well in targeting me...I have another character that I will spend some time with :)

Posted - 2011.03.10 16:12:00 - [29]

 

While mission running is a solo activity, I'd imagine you would join a corp to do other things that require teamwork.

Unless you just want to mission just so you can pile more ISK on top of your pile of ISK, joining a corp would open up the game for you.