Posted - 2011.03.13 10:11:00 - [151]

 

Supported, would be nice to go out in my Taranis again and find something that wasn't a Dramiel.

Posted - 2011.03.13 16:23:00 - [153]

 

And yet, Dramiels still die by the truck load to skilled pilots.

Didn't malcanos just kill another dramiel with a badger this last week?

Anyway not supported, they are not that hard to kill. Step 1 get neuts, step 2 ???? step 3 dead dramiel.

Seriously just get your curse pilots onto the field to primary and solo the dramiels. Neuts will stop their MWD and AB fun, tracking disruptors will nullify their guns and you cant outrun a full wave of warrior IIs.

Posted - 2011.03.13 23:00:00 - [155]

 

Originally by: Ai Mei

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And yet, Dramiels still die by the truck load to skilled pilots.

Didn't malcanos just kill another dramiel with a badger this last week?

Anyway not supported, they are not that hard to kill. Step 1 get neuts, step 2 ???? step 3 dead dramiel.

Seriously just get your curse pilots onto the field to primary and solo the dramiels. Neuts will stop their MWD and AB fun, tracking disruptors will nullify their guns and you cant outrun a full wave of warrior IIs.

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You are literally ******ed.

The point is not that they are killable. It's not hard to kill a frigate with something bigger.

The point is that within their own class they are unbalanced, which is why every scrub who has trained minmatar frig I and gallente frig I flies them. The fact that a good pilot in a less impressive ship can kill a bad pilot in a Dramiel does not make them balanced.

Posted - 2011.03.14 11:03:00 - [157]

 

Posted - 2011.03.15 03:30:00 - [159]

 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

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If they are so powerful why do I keep seeing kill mails on battleclinic where a rifter takes them on in 1v1 and wins?

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There are also kills with vigils killing battleships. Those are not the norm.

Posted - 2011.03.15 04:26:00 - [161]

 

personally i don't think the dram is super overpowered (could use less drones and less than 100% projectile bonus dmg) but obviously the real problem deals with the unbalance of weapons ACs vs lasers vs rails vs blasters (lasers only equal autocannons power at 15+ km, rail and blasters are supposed to be horrible..i have a caldari but i use missiles)
i put two 150s on my punisher and i deal 60dmg every second while my lasers would maybe deal 20-30 every 3 seconds (using gamma/xray/multifreq)

so a rifter or dram loaded up with 3-4 ACs using t2 ammo could be quite dangerous while a newb amarrian trying out his lasers has no idea, gallente and his rails he already know are horrible, and the lone caldari who forgot the missiles might be in for a shock

on the other part, i think we need more frig types

right now we have
scout mining -> no upgrade (maybe a better 4 laser miner with more cargohold) Surveyor
fast attack -> interceptor
combat -> assault
fighter bomber -> stealth bomber
astrometrics -> recon/mine layer
ecm attack -> ewar special ops

2 new types would be
support -> sniper/missile frigate (serve as a baby drake/baby sniper, big and fat but very slow)
tracker -> hunter frigate (this is type of frig or cruisre that bounty hunters would use, like combat frig, but also shares some astrometric bonuses... sry the magnate reminds me of boba fett for some reason)

some poeple have asked that we could have a command frig as well with bonus ganglinks


some industrial frigs could be invented as well like Tugboat or Wrecker (repair frigate which is used to ganglink repair wounded ships/cruisers)

another type of cruiser/frigate that could be reclassified (already exists with gallente/amarr arbitrator) could be a drone frig/cruiser with drone bonuses...drones are pretty powerful like Acs as well

so there are many more frigs and ships to be made which could become of value if balanced properly but like i said i think ACs are overpowered, lasers/rails/etc are weak and all weapons need rebalancing

i was also thinking CCP could implement a new type of frig called Heavy Frig
this could also be done for cruiser/Heavy Cruiser as well since there are some cruisers that are smaller than destroyers/similiar to frigates which could be reclassified as light cruisers or heavy frigs while bigger cruisers (like omen) could be made for heavy cruiser

Heavy Frigate and Heavy Cruiser ship command could be obtained by training your Frig or Light Frig to IV or V
Heavy frigs would serve basically as mass attack boats (5-6 slots, double armor) similiar to drakes or hurricanes
and Light Cruiser/Heavy Cruiser would be the diffrence between Scout/Recon and Baby Battleships/Baby Battlecruisers who could lend heavy cruiser support against larger fleets


so yes, dram needs nerfing, weapons need balance, and more ships are always in order in ship game where ship shoot ship and blow up ship for player to buy new ship

sry for the spam wall of text (i've been thinking of posting a thread of my own but i don't know where to start)

Posted - 2011.03.16 02:53:00 - [163]

 

I agree. Dunno how to make that thumbs up, but if I did I would.

Mind you, it's not like dramiels can't be killed by my armor drake, but I've been told thats not for everyone.

http://aqi.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8872139

Posted - 2011.03.16 18:30:00 - [165]

 

The only reason I would disagree with this proposal is because I like seeing bad players lose Drams. There's something satisfying about someone buying a dramiel because they think it will make them a great pvper, only to lose it to something moronic (like a helios).

Posted - 2011.03.17 02:28:00 - [167]

 

It's too fast and shouldn't have a drone bay at all.

Posted - 2011.03.17 21:39:00 - [169]

 

Dramiel is the ONLY frig I have in station right now, and it's been that way for a while.


SUPPORTED


GJ Podcat on an excellent breakdown of why.

Posted - 2011.03.18 04:36:00 - [171]

 

i basically said Autocannons are overpowered

and i gave a few examples of new frigate types that could supplement the boring frigate selection (punisher/purifier, rifter/hound, whatever the caldari/gallente use before they change to drakes and dominixs???)- drone frigate, command frigate, sniper/missile frigate, bounty hunter tracker/hunting frigate

Posted - 2011.03.21 06:58:00 - [173]

 

Throwing my full support behind this one.

Posted - 2011.03.22 14:22:00 - [175]

 

Supported

Posted - 2011.03.24 08:10:00 - [177]

 

Supporting his wholeheartedly, no ship should be so good that you cannot lose it to a ship not fit for that exact purpose. ******s failfitting it and losing to rifters don't make it balanced, a failfit mega piloted by a complete ****** will also lose to a rifter...

Posted - 2011.03.30 04:48:00 - [179]