Originally by: Two Shots

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Edited by: Two Shots on 11/02/2011 18:40:59
TL/DR: Nothing you could field against a Dominix 1-on-1 has a reliable chance of success.

Just to give you some examples of what a Dominix can do:

It can be fit with blasters and it will out-damage a Megathron.

It can be fit with Energy Neutralizers or Energy Vampires and it will out-cap a Curse.

It can be fit with an active armor tank and it can boast sustained defense comparable to a marauder.

It can be fit with a passive buffer tank and it can boast effective hit points greater than other feasible battleship fits.

And the above-mentioned things are just viable solo fits. When you consider logistics setups and other niche fits, this doesn't even scratch the surface. The Dominix is perhaps the single most versatile sub-capital hull in the entire game. The sheer number of effective fits that one may be flying at any given time are too many and too varied for you to have any certainty on how to fit against it. This makes coming up with a single fit with which to defeat it an untenable task.

If you know what the specific Dominix you're going to be fighting has fitted, then you can tailor your fit against it; but, that's a somewhat unreasonable assumption that you'll reliably have that sort of information for all or even a majority of your potential engagements. I would advise you to avoid active-tanked setups, because if you come across a Neut Domi you are going to hands-down lose with no possibility of victory regardless of the rest of his fit. A passive armor tank will offer you the most options in terms of fitting and speed, but your signature radius in a battlecruiser is large enough for Heavy Drones or Sentry Drones to track and the Dominix will more than likely have both greater DPS potential and greater EHP potential than you will in a Myrmidon. If you're engaging within range of a warp disruptor, then you are going to be within range of Energy Neutralizers, Garde II optimal/tracking range, Target Painters, and anything else that the Dominix might want to throw at you. If you're not engaging within range of a warp disruptor, then the Dominix pilot can simply warp away if you start to beat him in the DPS race.

I think you would have better luck in a smaller ship. If you wanted to stick to Gallente and Drones, then an Ishtar would be a much better bet since it is faster and can support a very impressive passive shield tank. The problem with both the Ishtar and the Myrmidon against a Dominix, however, is the problem that every shield-tanked ship has; if you sacrifice medium-power tank slots for PVP modules like stasis webs, target painters and warp disruptors, then your tank suffers. In theory, any ship that can maintain a cap-fee passive shield tank of about 400-500 DPS against both Thermal and Explosive damage types would be able to indefinitely survive a Drones-only Dominix; but, the problem there lies in the ability of the Dominix to disengage if things goes south (by keeping your cap empty with Energy Neutralizers, by fitting ECM or carrying ECM drones, etc.), or to simply overcome your tank with raw damage if he fits blasters.

I personally would not ever engage a Dominix solo, unless I was in a battleship with a cap booster.

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Originally by: Two Shots

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Just don't forget that I am a goon; therefore, everything I say is a lie and you've already been scammed by reading something I typed.

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Originally by: ceyriot

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Edited by: ceyriot on 12/02/2011 14:51:42
Alright, my two cents on this topic.

I believe most of the Domi's flown solo are neut/buffer/drones, lets say 80%. We'll work against that fit, as its what I've come across in fighting domi's.

We're going to assume a few things first. You're in scram range, and you've locked him first. You're also fit with ACs and a passive shield tank or armor buffer tank (this is doable in any drone boat as long as your guns don't use cap and you have a decent drone bay and good micro).

So your cap will be instantly gone as soon as he locks you, which isn't a problem because your guns are going to continue shooting. You'll probably want to try and keep only two things running - your damage control and your warp scram (this should be doable).

The trick to doing this is to kill his drones off - or force him to recall them. When he launches drones, start locking them up immediately, but don't launch yours - keep shooting him. When the drones lock you, launch your own drones. As soon as they shoot you, your drones will aggro on his, thus killing them. He'll either lose all his drones or recall them...rinse and repeat.

He'll either run out of drones (at which point you've won, and get all your dps on him) or give up and dock/jump...if he can't do either of those, he'll try to warp off. At this point, if he's cycling his neuts, there isn't much you can do except bump him.

TL:DR - passive ac myrm vrs neutdomi is doable. DO NOT go active tank against a pvp fit domi, thats just a bad idea.

Happy Hunting

edit - I have successfully engaged pvp domis of all varieties with a pvp fit rattler. But since a rattler is basically an upgraded domi, not sure if that counts.

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Originally by: Two Shots

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Edited by: Two Shots on 13/02/2011 17:39:13

Originally by: Baraka Saibot

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The only I can see the Myrmidon winning is if the Dominix is buffer tanked and with Blasters.

The myrm should stay at 20-24 Km and keep it's drones close by.

When the dominix sends it drones to attack. The myrm has better sensor strenght, a web and maybe even a sensor booster. The myrm will attack the domi's drones and once the dominix tries to attack the myrms drones, the myrm recalls, and relaunches, forcing to the dominix either to recall his drones, or have to lock the myrms drones all over again. Rinse and repeat till the dominix has no more drones.

This ofcourse will take forever.

But I've seen cruiser drone boats beat the myrm like this. Keeping the myrm scrambled and keeping just outside small blaster/autocannon range.

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What prevents the Dominix from keeping his drones close to him and waiting for you to engage him first? Even if he doesn't do that first, what's to keep him from figuring out what you're trying to do and adapting to it? For that matter, what's to keep the Dominix pilot from just recalling his heavy or medium drones entirely and shooting you with Garde II sentry drones? The range you indicated (20-24km) is right at optimal tracking range for Garde II sentry drones, which will do nearly as much DPS as Ogre II heavy drones (or more if the Dominix has a Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I rig fit).

And how do you plan to keep range on a Dominix? If you're fighting a blaster-fit Dominix then you need to activate a propulsion module to out-distance his guns, in which case he has a larger capacitor reservoir and a larger cargo capacity for storing cap booster charges. I don't see any reason why he couldn't just run you down if you tried to burn away to keep distance, nor any reason he wouldn't do that. If he sees you turn off to burn away, then he would probably assume you're trying to disengage and would therefore be inclined to follow you so as to keep you within range of a warp disruptor and so that he can apply his blaster damage at close range. If you're not counting on fighting a blaster-fit Dominix, then you are probably fighting a Neut Domi. If you are fighting a Neut Domi, then staying at 20-24km won't hep you.

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