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Topic |
Lee Manlei |
Posted - 2011.02.04 16:59:00 - [ 1]
I was wondering if you can effectively run Level 4 missions in a Heavy Assault Cruiser.
Those are the two builds I was thinking about(one Gallente, one Minmatar):
Deimos:
Heavy Ion Blaster II x5
Drone Link Augmentor I
10MN Microwarp Drive II
Cap Recharger II x2
Medium Armor Repairer II
(Mission Specific) armor hardener II
(Mission Specific) armor hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x3
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit x2
Muninn:
425mm Autocanons II x5
Arbalest Heavy Missile launcher x2
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II x2
Medium Armor Repairer II
(Mission Specific) armor hardener II
(Mission Specific) armor hardener II
Gyrostabilizer II x2
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I |
Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn |
Posted - 2011.02.04 17:00:00 - [ 2]
while you can use a hac, a t3 may offer the better solution |
Lee Manlei |
Posted - 2011.02.04 17:05:00 - [ 3]
I neither have the money nor the skills to run a T3. My main runs a battleship to raise money for my HAC endeavour. |
Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.02.04 17:32:00 - [ 4]
You are thinking about the wrong HAC's. Vaga or Ishtar is the ones you want.
[Vagabond, missions]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
<<Whatever you want here>>
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Hornet II x5
Speed tanks every level 4 I tried. Didn't try any amarr missions (because of standing loss) or WC because of web frigs on warp in.
Over 1km/s, 527 dps with drones. Just kill webbing frigs first (you may want some of the tracking ammo in cargohold aswell in case you have a derp moment with spider drones and full aggro) etc. then orbit stuff you are killing at 4km. Hardly anything hits you. Someone else can post an Ishtar fit. ;p |
Mister Agreeable |
Posted - 2011.02.04 19:36:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Lee Manlei
I was wondering if you can effectively run Level 4 missions in a Heavy Assault Cruiser.
Short answer: no. Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Also, you cannot run level 4 missions in a T3 effectively either. |
GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:23:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: GyokZoli on 04/02/2011 20:23:45 Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Also, you cannot run level 4 missions in a T3 effectively either.
What makes you say this? Have you heard about the Tengu? 700+ DPS, 100+ km range, great tank, speed and agility makes it a very effective mission runner. |
Obsession Paranoia |
Posted - 2011.02.04 22:08:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: GyokZoli
Edited by: GyokZoli on 04/02/2011 20:23:45
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Also, you cannot run level 4 missions in a T3 effectively either.
What makes you say this? Have you heard about the Tengu? 700+ DPS, 100+ km range, great tank, speed and agility makes it a very effective mission runner.
Because a lot of us like warping in, sitting still, and blasting everything to shreds. Tengu has to manual pilot or orbit a can to maintain transversal, since speed is half it's tank. |
Linda Flamewalker |
Posted - 2011.02.04 22:27:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Obsession Paranoia
Because a lot of us like warping in, sitting still, and blasting everything to shreds. Tengu has to manual pilot or orbit a can to maintain transversal, since speed is half it's tank.
Yes and just orbiting something is so much work. *chuckles* T3s can tank any lvl 4 with ease even without moving much and honestly on the harder ones.. how much work is it to click one button to orbit? |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:21:00 - [ 9]
Edited by: Tippia on 05/02/2011 00:27:32 Originally by: Obsession Paranoia
Because a lot of us like warping in, sitting still, and blasting everything to shreds. Tengu has to manual pilot or orbit a can to maintain transversal, since speed is half it's tank.
The Tengu can do that as well. It might require an additional hardener or so, but since you'll be leaving the AB at home, there's room for that anyway. Oh, and as for the OP: Yes. The Ishtar breezes through all L4s, although you probably want to keep both a shield and an armour-tanked version around depending on what enemy you're going to encounter. The Deimos can certainly do them, but is low on damage — either you use rails (lol) or you use blasters… and in the latter case, it takes ages to go from target to target. The Muninn works, but is a bit dull — as mentioned above, the Vaga will get you through the missions faster, but you'll need to be a bit more careful as well. The Cerberus can do some of them, as long as they let you maintain range. Its damage is a bit meh, though, so it'll take a while. The Eagle is even meh:er, even if it's technically possible in that one as well. The Zealot and Sacrilege are in a similar position as the Deimos: they can certainly do them, but lack the damage projection that is required to make it a worth-while use of your time. The Zealot in particular suffers from only really doing proper damage to rats that it can't tank well and vice versa. |
Sulg
Pilots of Epic
Roughneck Regulators |
Posted - 2011.02.05 04:10:00 - [ 10]
I guess my question is: why would you want to? |
Spineker
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.02.05 08:51:00 - [ 11]
T3 killed HACS. They are basically a waste of time and you can get into a T3 HAC just as easy.
No idea why anyone would waste time with a T2 HAC unless you just find it fun in that case. Right on |
Noun Verber
Gallente |
Posted - 2011.02.05 09:08:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Spineker
T3 killed HACS. They are basically a waste of time and you can get into a T3 HAC just as easy.
No idea why anyone would waste time with a T2 HAC unless you just find it fun in that case. Right on
What about poor Amarrians? The power of the Legion way outweighs the Zealot. ..Wait.. |
Mister Agreeable |
Posted - 2011.02.05 10:14:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 05/02/2011 10:15:27 Originally by: GyokZoli
Edited by: GyokZoli on 04/02/2011 20:23:45
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Also, you cannot run level 4 missions in a T3 effectively either.
What makes you say this? Have you heard about the Tengu? 700+ DPS, 100+ km range, great tank, speed and agility makes it a very effective mission runner.
Only not as effective as either CNR of Golem (this has been proven mathematically ages ago, should be common knowledge by now) Edit: Tengu is for people that enjoy killing spider drones with heavy missiles. |
Ildryn |
Posted - 2011.02.05 10:29:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Originally by: Lee Manlei
I was wondering if you can effectively run Level 4 missions in a Heavy Assault Cruiser.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Also, you cannot run level 4 missions in a T3 effectively either.
Yes. The correct answer is yes. However for efficiency you should use a marauder or pirate faction battleship. And further do not listen to the advice of Mister Agreeable. He has no standings with any corp. Nor does he have any sec status or kill/loss mails. So it is correct to assume he is a troll.  |
Mister Agreeable |
Posted - 2011.02.05 10:39:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 05/02/2011 10:39:16 Originally by: Lee Manlei
I was wondering if you can effectively
Originally by: Ildryn
b]The correct answer is yes.
However for efficiency[/b]
Do not listen to Ildryn. He can't even read.
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Mara Rinn |
Posted - 2011.02.05 11:21:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Lee Manlei
I was wondering if you can effectively run Level 4 missions in a Heavy Assault Cruiser.
For what it's worth, I've successfully run L4 missions solo with a HAM Tengu. The hardest part is the waiting to get into range. Using the Deimos blaster boat or the Muninn AC boat will be fun, if not necessarily efficient :) |
Cairn Bolete |
Posted - 2011.02.05 15:50:00 - [ 17]
can someone give me a fit for one of these 700 dps Tengu's? i cant find any |
Gavin DeVries |
Posted - 2011.02.05 16:11:00 - [ 18]
Use something like this:
[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
710 DPS at all V skills. You'll get a little more with a 4th navy BCS instead of the T2, but I based this on mine and I only have 3 of them. |
Ildryn |
Posted - 2011.02.05 16:35:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 05/02/2011 10:39:16
Originally by: Lee Manlei
I was wondering if you can effectively
Originally by: Ildryn
b]The correct answer is yes.
However for efficiency[/b]
Do not listen to Ildryn. He can't even read.
The troll with no mission experience replies. 
A HAM or HML Cerb can run all level 4 missions. It is effective. It does enough damage to kill everything to complete all level 4 missions. And don't tell the other idiots. Yes it is a HAC.
And like i said...it is more efficient to use a Marauder or a Pirate Faction Battleship.
A Tengu is not hard to obtain. If you wish to do them in a cruiser class. |
Mister Agreeable |
Posted - 2011.02.05 17:14:00 - [ 20]
Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 05/02/2011 18:09:56 Originally by: Ildryn
The troll with no mission experience replies.
I have 3 characters with over 9 faction standings fool. I just don't want to post with my main, that would be beyond retar***. Cerberus can run lvl4 missions? Lol of course it can, but so can Dramiel. Effective??? You call that effective and *you* have the nerve to call *me* a troll??? You back under the bridge NAO! Edit: and you have good standings with CN and corporate police force? no wonder you prefer to farm sanctums. |
WishBlade
Caldari
Atomic Heroes
The G0dfathers |
Posted - 2011.02.05 18:59:00 - [ 21]
I occasionally run lvl 4's in a Cerberus. Mixed with it's smallish sig, good speed, and agility (for pve) and awesome range it's good for blitzing. Beats a Drake with a nerfbat (60km range is infuriating)
While it's "ok" for blitzing, and passing through it's is not a moneymaker, and thus not "efficient".
Still, it is very satisfactory for fun, and challenge. |
Ildryn |
Posted - 2011.02.05 22:54:00 - [ 22]
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Mister Agreeable |
Posted - 2011.02.06 04:25:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Ildryn
Troll. Liar. Prove it or stfu
3B and I'll mail you who my mains are. Less than that and it's not worth for me to give you info about what I run for and what I exchange LPs into. |
Mara Rinn |
Posted - 2011.02.06 05:27:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Cerberus can run lvl4 missions? Lol of course it can, but so can Dramiel. Effective??? You call that effective and *you* have the nerve to call *me* a troll?
Please don't conflate the concept of effectively running missions with the concept of running missions for the most efficient ISK/hr. Any ship that can complete the mission is effective at running that mission. After that you get into the scale of efficiency of some particular function. A CNR isn't as much fun to fly as a Tengu, and a Tengu certainly isn't as much fun to fly in level 4 missions as a Jaguar or Wolf. They are all effective for running level 4 missions. The CNR is more efficient at converting player-hours to ISK. The Wolf is more effective in providing entertainment. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE |
Posted - 2011.02.06 05:38:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 05/02/2011 18:09:56
Originally by: Ildryn
The troll with no mission experience replies.
I have 3 characters with over 9 faction standings fool. I just don't want to post with my main, that would be beyond retar***.
Cerberus can run lvl4 missions? Lol of course it can, but so can Dramiel. Effective??? You call that effective and *you* have the nerve to call *me* a troll??? You back under the bridge NAO!
Edit: and you have good standings with CN and corporate police force? no wonder you prefer to farm sanctums.
lol Ildryn had good cn/cpf standings since before I even created my character. but anyways are you doing over/under 5k isk/lp? and the tengu is pretty awesome for a pretty good number of missions, and especially lowsec missions |
Ildryn |
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:23:00 - [ 26]
Yeah Mister Agreeable seems to think effective and efficient are the same thing. And 3 bill to know who your alts are? LOL
Sounds like your alts are Jita scammers.
Go troll another thread because i am right in this.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions |
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:50:00 - [ 27]
To be fair I've considered trying this Deimos:
[Deimos, DIE MOST mishins PST]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
[empty high slot]
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Hammerhead II x5
Might as well abuse the new MWD mechanics, right? Oh, and how often do you see a cap stable passive shield tank with a MWD and guns that use cap....
Yeah, basically it's a gimmick. |
Yves Nat
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.02.06 21:59:00 - [ 28]
I've run L4 missions with varying success in an Ishtar, a Loki and a Cynabal. The biggest problem I've run up against is the occasional mission that has an ultra-tanked named target. Can't remember now, but there's one that ends with a 2.4MM bounty Raven, and the Ishtar just could not put out enough DPS (Sentry Drones with Sentry Drone Rig), to crack them. My shield tanked Loki can auto-run a booster, and with the great inherent resists it can easily tank any L4 mission I've run, DPS can still be a bit low. The Cynabal has been great, too fast for NPCs to hurt too much, and it chews through frigates, cruisers and BC. It can be slow to take down BS, but it does the job. |
Shereza |
Posted - 2011.02.06 23:40:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Short answer: no.
Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Also, you cannot run level 4 missions in a T3 effectively either.
Poor troll.  Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Do not listen to Ildryn. He can't even read.
You say that when your answer to the TC's question would have been accurate if he'd asked "I was wondering if you can efficiently?"  _______ At any rate, the deimos can be a great mission runner, especially now that MWDs are usable in all missions, so long as you use it in the correct missions. L4 Serpentis Blockade, Gone Berserk, Damsel in Distress, and Stop the Thief are just a few. These are missions where getting in close, and staying there, on the NPCs isn't hard while also rewarding having a fast ship. For many other missions, however, an ishtar will be much more efficient, and if you get any Sansha/Blood Raider missions it will also be significantly more effective given the damage variability offered by its drones. That said, IIRC the last time I ran a deimos in L4 missions it was Gone Berserk and was very similar to yours, along the lines of this: [Deimos, MWD Mission] Medium Armor Repairer II True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5 An A-Type MAR isn't that expensive and a faction MWD is worth considering if the price is good due to the lower cap penalty and therefore the larger bonus to the deimos' capacitor. The biggest problem with that setup is that there were times you had to carefully juggle when to pulse the MWD and when to run the MAR to stay alive. Regardless, it was damned fun and with Void ammo (before T2 ammo was "fixed") the ship killed stuff faster than many battleships I'd flown in that mission. TBH, I might have used a pair of CCC rigs and ion blasters instead of neutrons as well, not 100% sure. The ishtar's a completely different beast given that it's almost completely dependant on its drones for DPS given how low its fitting capacity is while at the same time being able to pull off a surprisingly effective passive shield tank as well as the standard armor tank. I won't touch the muninn except to suggest HAM launchers for increased DPS against larger targets or making sure you can use T2 heavy launchers and precision ammo for smaller targets. Likewise I won't comment on other HASes except the Sacrilege, which you didn't include, as I've no experience with using them in L4s yet. |
GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
|
Posted - 2011.02.07 01:28:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: GyokZoli on 07/02/2011 01:28:25 Originally by: Yves Nat
I've run L4 missions with varying success in an Ishtar, a Loki and a Cynabal. The biggest problem I've run up against is the occasional mission that has an ultra-tanked named target. Can't remember now, but there's one that ends with a 2.4MM bounty Raven, and the Ishtar just could not put out enough DPS (Sentry Drones with Sentry Drone Rig), to crack them. My shield tanked Loki can auto-run a booster, and with the great inherent resists it can easily tank any L4 mission I've run, DPS can still be a bit low. The Cynabal has been great, too fast for NPCs to hurt too much, and it chews through frigates, cruisers and BC. It can be slow to take down BS, but it does the job.
That mission is called Vengeance. |
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