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Thetas |
Posted - 2011.02.02 22:35:00 - [ 1]
That's about it. The Noctis is pulling the same salvage amounts as my Catalyst. My character is Salvage level 5/Salvager II. Is the big deal about the Noctis that it can use tractors better, or is there something else?
As far as Salvage goes, Salvage lvl 5 just seems to mean you salvage more junk items. There doesn't seem to be an increase in the quality of items recovered nor are there more high ISK items dropping. It took 50 days to train Salvage 5, the payoff for this should be at least slightly noticable, don't you think? |
Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2011.02.02 22:39:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Grimpak on 02/02/2011 22:39:51
did you know that the skill level only makes salvage faster?
also 50 days why? |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 22:43:00 - [ 3]
Of course not. Nothing affects the amount (or quality) of salvage you get — you can just get it faster and/or in fewer cycles with the right equipment.
The deal with the Noctis is that it has long-range/high-speed/short-cycle tractors and that it salvages faster due to shorter cycles. Beyond that, the exact same equipment on any other ship will yield the exact same results — both have the same chance to pull the same random salvage from the same tables.
Training the skill, fitting salvage tackle and/or using T2 salvagers only increases your chance of getting a successful cycle. What this "success" generates never changes. |
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2011.02.02 22:50:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Thetas
That's about it. The Noctis is pulling the same salvage amounts as my Catalyst. My character is Salvage level 5/Salvager II. Is the big deal about the Noctis that it can use tractors better, or is there something else?
As far as Salvage goes, Salvage lvl 5 just seems to mean you salvage more junk items. There doesn't seem to be an increase in the quality of items recovered nor are there more high ISK items dropping. It took 50 days to train Salvage 5, the payoff for this should be at least slightly noticable, don't you think?
I read that it took you 50 days to train a useless skill, look at your avatar to see your character's sadface, then I laugh. I laugh out loud. |
Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx |
Posted - 2011.02.02 22:57:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Headerman on 02/02/2011 22:58:19
I think at L4, the Noctis can tractor from 64km away?
To me, it seems that THAt is the major advantage of a Noctis. But i really should train the salvaging skill up |
Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2011.02.02 23:01:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Originally by: Thetas
That's about it. The Noctis is pulling the same salvage amounts as my Catalyst. My character is Salvage level 5/Salvager II. Is the big deal about the Noctis that it can use tractors better, or is there something else?
As far as Salvage goes, Salvage lvl 5 just seems to mean you salvage more junk items. There doesn't seem to be an increase in the quality of items recovered nor are there more high ISK items dropping. It took 50 days to train Salvage 5, the payoff for this should be at least slightly noticable, don't you think?
I read that it took you 50 days to train a useless skill, look at your avatar to see your character's sadface, then I laugh. I laugh out loud.
thing is, 50 days for salvage 5 you must have like your atribs at 3 or smth. it's a rank3 skill ffs. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 23:11:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Headerman
I think at L4, the Noctis can tractor from 64km away?
To me, it seems that THAt is the major advantage of a Noctis. But i really should train the salvaging skill up
68km… And it pulls wrecks at 1.7km/s and has a cycle time of 4s — that last one matters more than you'd think. And the salvagers finish their cycles in 8s instead of 10. Omnomnomnom. |
Dorian Wylde |
Posted - 2011.02.02 23:20:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Headerman
I think at L4, the Noctis can tractor from 64km away?
To me, it seems that THAt is the major advantage of a Noctis. But i really should train the salvaging skill up
68km… And it pulls wrecks at 1.7km/s and has a cycle time of 4s — that last one matters more than you'd think. And the salvagers finish their cycles in 8s instead of 10.
Omnomnomnom.
Salvager cycle time is the real benefit, once your skill is capped and the ship is rigged, there's no other way to finish each wreck faster. |
Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance |
Posted - 2011.02.03 01:02:00 - [ 9]
1/10 troll. Seriously can't compare the noctis with anything for salvaging. Use 6 tractors and 2 salvagers, an expander or two, salvage rigs. Fly in, suck it all in without moving in a fraction of the time, fly home.
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Mavnas |
Posted - 2011.02.03 02:17:00 - [ 10]
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Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2011.02.03 05:40:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Thetas
It took 50 days to train Salvage 5, the payoff for this should be at least slightly noticable, don't you think?
It takes 10-18 days to train salvaging to 5 depending on your attributes and implants.Its a 3x skill. Dread level 5 takes around 50 days and it is a 12x skill. Your saying it takes as long to train salvaging to 5 as it does to train dread to 5. did you remap and put all your points in charisma? |
Caitlyn Tufy |
Posted - 2011.02.03 07:24:00 - [ 12]
Sounds to me like someone didn't read what Salvaging skill does - the skill only increases the chance of successful salvage per cycle. It has nothing at all to do with drops. In other words, it saves time, that's all there is to it. Originally by: Mavnas
There's also a -10% salvage cycle time implant, I believe. (Maybe it's only 5?)
Kinda unnecessary, tbh. With 6 tractors and 2 salvagers (complete with signal amplifier for extra targets and sensor booster for faster locking), I can barely supply the salvagers with new wrecks fast enough, especially when pulling them from 80 km away. It takes about 5 minutes total to wipe a mission like Angel Extravaganza clean, complete with bonus pocket and the amount of money gained per time skyrockets thanks to this baby. All in all: Noctis <3 |
Mavnas |
Posted - 2011.02.03 08:17:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Caitlyn Tufy
Sounds to me like someone didn't read what Salvaging skill does - the skill only increases the chance of successful salvage per cycle. It has nothing at all to do with drops. In other words, it saves time, that's all there is to it.
Originally by: Mavnas
There's also a -10% salvage cycle time implant, I believe. (Maybe it's only 5?)
Kinda unnecessary, tbh. With 6 tractors and 2 salvagers (complete with signal amplifier for extra targets and sensor booster for faster locking), I can barely supply the salvagers with new wrecks fast enough, especially when pulling them from 80 km away. It takes about 5 minutes total to wipe a mission like Angel Extravaganza clean, complete with bonus pocket and the amount of money gained per time skyrockets thanks to this baby.
All in all: Noctis <3
I guess it depends on how well you cluster your wrecks  . That either takes a lot of DPS to kill them where they spawn without too much motion, or very low DPS and enemies that like to orbit close. Nothing beats using smartbombs on lots of frigates though for a clust of about 20 wrecks within salvage range. |
GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:14:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: GyokZoli on 03/02/2011 09:24:02
I trained both salvaging and ore industrial skills with my alt to level 5 and it was worth it! Ofcourse I do not get more salvage but I salvage the wrecks of most missions in a matter of minutes which makes it very profitable. Ohh and I do not even use Salvage Tackle rigs since they make the ship move and align slower. Ofcourse I don't have to move in most of the mission pockets due to the high tractor range (80km) but the traveling time to the mission sites - and between pockets if the acceleration gate is not at the entry point - makes a big difference even with an AB. I use one cargo expander and 2 nanos in the lows and get around 1800 m3 space for the loot which is plenty even for an AE (including the bonus pocket).
Now, salvaging with the Noctis easily doubles (or maybe triples) my profit with investing much less time than doing the given mission itself. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente |
Posted - 2011.02.03 09:23:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Thetas
That's about it. The Noctis is pulling the same salvage amounts as my Catalyst. My character is Salvage level 5/Salvager II. Is the big deal about the Noctis that it can use tractors better, or is there something else?
As far as Salvage goes, Salvage lvl 5 just seems to mean you salvage more junk items. There doesn't seem to be an increase in the quality of items recovered nor are there more high ISK items dropping. It took 50 days to train Salvage 5, the payoff for this should be at least slightly noticable, don't you think?
It salvages faster, not better  (Thus yield/hour is better) |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative. |
Posted - 2011.02.03 13:23:00 - [ 16]
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing |
Posted - 2011.02.03 14:03:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Caitlyn Tufy
Kinda unnecessary, tbh. With 6 tractors and 2 salvagers (complete with signal amplifier for extra targets and sensor booster for faster locking), I can barely supply the salvagers with new wrecks fast enough, especially when pulling them from 80 km away. It takes about 5 minutes total to wipe a mission like Angel Extravaganza clean, complete with bonus pocket and the amount of money gained per time skyrockets thanks to this baby.
All in all: Noctis <3
This. I use a Noctis and a cheap cargo ship to salvage (since I mission run with two chars normally). The Noctis tractors in everything a nd salvages it, the cargo ship scoops the loot from any cans. You can clean up a site without moving in next to no time, even from missions with wrecks spread to hell and back. However, the Noctis' real benefit is in Wormholes. Those reduced cycle times and increased tractor speeds translate into less exposure time for your salvager, meaning less chance of being ganked by some roving gang looking for a kill. Replace one tractor with a cloak, and you can warp in, clear an anomoly, warp to safe, and cloak back up very very quickly. The fact that Noctis' tractors can pull stuff in faster than the Noctis can move with an MWD on and running is also a benefit, because it means you can zip around at max speed to wrecks you can't reach (for some reason) while tractoring other wrecks, and not worry about losing them or artificially capping your speed. |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2011.02.03 15:40:00 - [ 18]
lol the OP actually spent 50 days training the salvaging skill. |
Thetas |
Posted - 2011.02.03 17:53:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 02/02/2011 22:39:51
did you know that the skill level only makes salvage faster?
also 50 days why?
That's how long it used to take if you had low Learning Skill Training. They removed those Skills from the tree so now it would probably only take 20-25 days I suppose. And no, I believe the Salvage is hard coded when the ship spawns so the Salvage skill itself just increases the likelyhood of whatever that salvage is, being successfully accessed. Now you may laugh, but I think making a game better is more important than stroking the Dev's or saying, "That's just the way it is". If Salvage was worthwhile to pursue as a main source of income EVE would be vastly improved, and so I posted this as half suggestion, half complaint. One of my few EVE posts. Consider however, Mining is so easy and makes so much more ISK than actively salvaging and adventuring through systems for rare salvage and you see they have missed a great opportunity to include Salvage as a content driving element of EVE. I am done here, gl&gh. |
Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.02.03 19:11:00 - [ 20]
3/10 |
Josebi |
Posted - 2011.02.03 19:22:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Thetas
That's how long it used to take if you had low Learning Skill Training. They removed those Skills from the tree so now it would probably only take 20-25 days I suppose
It takes 9 days on a clean character. If I die tonight, I will die laughing!! |
Samican Nutikor |
Posted - 2011.02.03 19:38:00 - [ 22]
On a decent mission I can make as much ISK from salvage as I get bounties. The Noctis is perfect as it is and doesn't need any changes - it tractors from far and fast, it salvages fast, it can carry a lot, it has way more EHP that your local salvage destro (although this is a lesser bonus in non-secure space).
Training the ship skill and salvaging to lvl 5 will speed up both things even more, so I'm sort of wondering why you complain, unless you're trolling. |
Mavnas |
Posted - 2011.02.03 19:43:00 - [ 23]
I've had level 1 missions that had more than 1m in salvage, while being worth less than 200k in bounties and reward. So I'm going to have to call this a troll. |
Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect |
Posted - 2011.02.03 21:54:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 03/02/2011 21:54:47 Originally by: Mavnas
I've had level 1 missions that had more than 1m in salvage, while being worth less than 200k in bounties and reward. So I'm going to have to call this a troll.
Strongly agree. Also, salvaging as a career is called "Ninja salvaging". People do it in high-traffic mission hubs, and make a fortune, while ****ing off ALOT of carebears. It's a win/win situation  I would not bother training salvage to lvl 5, because the time you would save in salvaging would take a LONG time to equal the training time for salvaging to lvl 5. Not worth it. |
Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx |
Posted - 2011.02.03 23:50:00 - [ 25]
Well i decided to take the plunge and train up the Noctis skill to L1 and got myself one.
Also got 4 tractors, 4 salvagers, 2/3 cap rechargers, 2 cargho expanders, a nano, and 2 salvage rigs.
What surprised me was its agility. Aligned and moved very fast, then i remembered it took medium rigs, so it was a cruiser/BC ship... but at 900 meters long, it is a very large ship :)
Not actually used it yet, got the skill training up to 4, might take it to 5 too |
Wet Ferret |
Posted - 2011.02.04 06:05:00 - [ 26]
If you're not fitting specifically for tank, there's no reason to use anything but cargo expanders and salvage tackles. I still miss cycles with Salvage V, T2 Salvagers and 3 tackle rigs so none are wasted.
Warps in 10 seconds no matter what. Just use the MWD. |
Mavnas |
Posted - 2011.02.04 08:33:00 - [ 27]
There's no reason to fit cap rechargers to it. It has a very high base cap and should be stable without them. There's much better things you can stick in the mids like a MWD, Sensor Booster, LSEs, etc.
If you go all out with tanking it you can have over 40k EHP. Actually, if you go all out it could tank L4 missions lol, but SPRs would make salvaging a pain. Don't do that. |
Tau Cabalander |
Posted - 2011.02.04 18:58:00 - [ 28]
I was salvaging in a Hurricane with an alt.
Trained level 4 on alt for Noctis, and did some salvaging.
Promptly trained level 5. Nothing compares to the Noctis for salvaging.
And no, nothing affects the amount or type of salvage you get. That is determined at the time the wreck is created.
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Aznwithbeard
Minmatar
OMGROFLSTOMP
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:02:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Grimpak
thing is, 50 days for salvage 5 you must have like your atribs at 3 or smth. it's a rank3 skill ffs.
YOUZZZ TROLLIN GRIMPAK |
Julien Brellier |
Posted - 2011.02.05 23:20:00 - [ 30]
Longer tractor range, faster tractor speed. Faster salvager cycle time. WAY bigger cargo.  |
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