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Topic |
The Jam
Amarr
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence |
Posted - 2011.01.19 19:10:00 - [ 31]
You have 3 schools of thought on this here in the forums.The first being if its not against the EULA then its all good.The second one being "There my friends on vent so i cant do anything wrong to them" bringing in RL type feelings into it.
The 3rd being people who pick and choose which they want to believe at the time thats most suitable to there situation. |
Owen Drakkar
Bad...Karma
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:10:00 - [ 32]
Edited by: Owen Drakkar on 19/01/2011 19:12:02
It would be immoral behavior to not snipe page 2.
Edit: Too slow, let's blame it on phone based browsers this time. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises |
Posted - 2011.01.19 19:44:00 - [ 33]
 Originally by: Captain Phil
It's times like these that I ask myself "What would Jesus do?" Would he be playing EvE Online, let alone arguing on the forums about morality and ethics in MMOs? No.
This is not the place.
First, this is a discussion, not an arguement. Second, thanks for proving my point, that you so kindly bolded and then proceeded to act as an example. Third, there's Always a place.  |
Charles Dexter Ward
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.01.19 20:31:00 - [ 34]
Edited by: Charles Dexter Ward on 19/01/2011 20:34:38
Edited by: Charles Dexter Ward on 19/01/2011 20:33:55
Edited by: Charles Dexter Ward on 19/01/2011 20:32:49
Edited by: Charles Dexter Ward on 19/01/2011 20:31:41
Many here seems to have different opinions about this. It just makes it all the more interesting.
First I'd like to say that my morals are twisted in RL, and if you'd be forced to listen to the things I fantasize about when I'm drifting of to sleep ... Yeah, well, it's a lot worse than the Saw-movies and the Hostel-movies combined.
Yet I live by a certain set of principle to keep my twisted self in place. That includes the value of trust and the value of respect. If I get kicked in the face when I have offered my trust and my respect, I see red.
I will always keep my guard up in EVE, and just as in RL - my trust and my respect are given out very rarely. If I would get my anal virginity taken away from me after giving a 'friend' my very rare trust and my respect, I would be all but happy. I enjoy the cold air in the EVE-universe; the absolute idea of 'you are on your own'. Social interactions and politics. I wish that I'll one day become a part of this drama, but I will never abandon my principles.
If I say one thing involving ISK, items and whatnot, I do it. I don't try to scam the person. Why? Because I don't gain anything on it other than doing it just 'to be bad'. This doesn't stop me from opening cargos in space when I see such. It doesn't stop me from stealing from you while you are unaware. It doesn't stop me from picking up your wallet from the ground IRL if you've dropped it, and walk away.
A friend is always a friend, and I would never betray a friend. I've written all your names up now - we ain't ever gonna be friends!
Bad jokes aside it's an interesting discussion, because morality and EVE are an interesting subject. Arguments like "HM, I'm totally stupid, so I'll just post a stupid post here: Tell me which word doesn't belong here; EVE, analplug, morality, The Devil, Judas Iscariot, my mother, my spaceshipzzzz, my three braincells."
It's as boring an argument as the war EVE-players are waging against WoW-players.
All the best. Kind regards.
CDW |
newgurl |
Posted - 2011.01.19 21:18:00 - [ 35]
If you were both friends when you were scammed then that is more than likely an immoral act. I believe however that you more than likely weren’t friends although you may have believed so. In this case I don’t feel that this is immoral. |
BolsterBomb |
Posted - 2011.01.19 21:27:00 - [ 36]
Its an intresting subject that varies. Me, I belive the way you interact in a game lke this (because in reality it is not a RP game, if you want RP go play D&D.) the way your character acts, the things you do, etc. Is what you are truly like as a person. Its the old saying a person will flick you off in a car but if they were walking near you they wouldnt.
I have learned in eve trust no one, not even your corpies. Heck I put collateral on my contracts to corpies if it has real value. Why because someone could take it and leave.
I belive it is part of the game, the scams, the munipulation, etc. However I will not participate in it because that is not the type of person I am, even though it is appealing at times. However there are some scams I belive are part of the game and are strategy. If I am playing a pirate (it is very ok of me to join a corp lure them to a lvl 4 mission and then rasom them. It is their job to secure their own risk, I can take advantage of the wholes as long as it does not cross me lying to get something done. I can join a corp and then leave and the ceo has the record to see what I have been up to. I will not scam people by stealing their money through "building trust" or trying to set scam contracts. IMO people that scam are to stupid to figure a legit way to get money. In my eyes an acceptable scam is one where there is plenty of ways for the player to see it is a scam or prevent being scammed if they do their research. Not being "duped by trust" |
Charles Dexter Ward
Caldari |
Posted - 2011.01.19 21:28:00 - [ 37]
Originally by: newgurl
If you were both friends when you were scammed then that is more than likely an immoral act. I believe however that you more than likely weren’t friends although you may have believed so. In this case I don’t feel that this is immoral.
You are not referring to the original post, I hope. It was a scenario I painted up. A very extreme scenario about scamming someone that is supposed to be your friend. |
newgurl |
Posted - 2011.01.19 21:34:00 - [ 38]
What I said will still apply to your scenario. "Supposed to be your friend" this would depend if the two you depicted really were friends or if one or both beleived that they were. |
Chuckles McLaughy |
Posted - 2011.01.19 21:48:00 - [ 39]
Edited by: Chuckles McLaughy on 26/01/2011 10:08:08
For some, everyone in this game is a potential mark. 'Friendships' for some are also merely a method used to make hitting the mark much more profitable. They think that people who are unable to separate real life friendships from in game contacts need to stop playing the game as their grasp on reality is shaky. There is no such thing as an 'online friend' in some peoples minds. If you don't know them in real life, to them you don't really know them.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.01.19 22:10:00 - [ 40]
When I infiltrated Hydra Reloaded and stole all their UTUs and isk some people told me what I did crossed a line.
I was even interviewed by and ISD to confirm that I did not use any hacks or other ill means to achieve what I did.
The point is eve is a social tool of gratification. You need to decide for yourself how much is too much lulz and the different levels of suffering that are ok to inflict upon others.
When I infiltrate an alice like Hydra or force an alice like cry havok into the old folks home I do it because of something that was done to me. There are no innocent victims of xenuria is what I am trying to say. Everything I have ever done to somebody in this game is because of something they themselves did to me or somebody else who has paid me. |
Alex Luther |
Posted - 2011.01.19 22:19:00 - [ 41]
Originally by: Charles Dexter Ward
Edited by: Charles Dexter Ward on 19/01/2011 10:28:42
So you two see NOTHING wrong in screwing over an EVE-friend? I remember reading about this scam where people infiltrated a corp and was there for 10+ months.
I know you people exist - that's not what I'm asking. I want to know if you can identify a morally wrong thing to do in EVE (of course within the EULA).
... If you go into a corp with the intention of scamming and befriending a mark for 10 months is required then obviously the friendship still means nothing because the relationship is only there to accomplish the overall goal. You see things like this in the real world as well, where people will be nice or friends with someone just to gain access to that other persons contacts or whatnot for personal gain. It happens all of the time so its not just acceptable in eve, its acceptable in real. |
Ship Shap3 |
Posted - 2011.01.19 22:24:00 - [ 42]
Originally by: Xenuria
When I infiltrated Hydra Reloaded and stole all their UTUs and isk some people told me what I did crossed a line.
I was even interviewed by and ISD to confirm that I did not use any hacks or other ill means to achieve what I did.
The point is eve is a social tool of gratification. You need to decide for yourself how much is too much lulz and the different levels of suffering that are ok to inflict upon others.
When I infiltrate an alice like Hydra or force an alice like cry havok into the old folks home I do it because of something that was done to me. There are no innocent victims of xenuria is what I am trying to say. Everything I have ever done to somebody in this game is because of something they themselves did to me or somebody else who has paid me.
 Oh my god, it all didnt make sense until now... You're the guy from the EVE Causality trailer. amirite? I AM RITE! |
captain foivos |
Posted - 2011.01.19 23:26:00 - [ 43]
Hydra, however, fully deserved to lose their belongings for giving an idiot such as Xenuria the access that they did. (TL;DR Xen fell prey to temptation and grabbed what he could when he saw a nice opportunity...there was very little planning involved, else the amount stolen would have been far greater)
Generally, good alliances don't accept delusional ranters with visions of grandeur.
Related to the OP, I try to keep in mind that I play EVE for fun, and it's not very fun if you don't have any friends.
That said, using an alt account to steal stuff lets you nomnomnom tears like you wouldn't believe... |
Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2011.01.20 01:27:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: captain foivos
Hydra, however, fully deserved to lose their belongings for giving an idiot such as Xenuria the access that they did. (TL;DR Xen fell prey to temptation and grabbed what he could when he saw a nice opportunity...there was very little planning involved, else the amount stolen would have been far greater)
Generally, good alliances don't accept delusional ranters with visions of grandeur.
Related to the OP, I try to keep in mind that I play EVE for fun, and it's not very fun if you don't have any friends.
That said, using an alt account to steal stuff lets you nomnomnom tears like you wouldn't believe...
Your "delusional" if you think that I did not plan it. I made a thread 4 days before I had any kind of access whatsoever and at the time of the thread I was not even in Hydra Reloaded. The thread detailed how I would overthrow hydra and people laughed at me. That is what made it all the lulzier when thousands of people got spammed with war dec mail and lost their precious alliance. |
kiki mo
Suddenly Ninjas |
Posted - 2011.01.20 02:48:00 - [ 45]
Originally by: Cryptkiller
Originally by: Charles Dexter Ward
Edited by: Charles Dexter Ward on 19/01/2011 10:28:42
So you two see NOTHING wrong in screwing over an EVE-friend? I remember reading about this scam where people infiltrated a corp and was there for 10+ months.
I know you people exist - that's not what I'm asking. I want to know if you can identify a morally wrong thing to do in EVE (of course within the EULA).
You feel bad when you take Boardwalk and Park Place from your friend while playing Monopoly? I tell the ****er he lost and is paying the next round...
Along these lines...do you also feel bad if you take your friend's queen or knight while playing chess? Do you feel bad if you actually catch him in a fool's mate or even just a simple checkmate? Eve is a game...some people play it solo, some people play it cooperatively and others play it head-to-head. How you play it depends on you...that's the way I like it and scoff at the carebears who constantly whine to nerf everything and change the gameplay to resemble other MMOs. |
Asobi Mashou |
Posted - 2011.01.20 02:52:00 - [ 46]
Originally by: Xenuria
When I infiltrated Hydra Reloaded and stole all their UTUs and isk some people told me what I did crossed a line.
I was even interviewed by and ISD to confirm that I did not use any hacks or other ill means to achieve what I did.
The point is eve is a social tool of gratification. You need to decide for yourself how much is too much lulz and the different levels of suffering that are ok to inflict upon others.
When I infiltrate an alice like Hydra or force an alice like cry havok into the old folks home I do it because of something that was done to me. There are no innocent victims of xenuria is what I am trying to say. Everything I have ever done to somebody in this game is because of something they themselves did to me or somebody else who has paid me.
Wow, who would have thought Xenuria actually had a coherent thought...much less a full plan!!! |
Thilst |
Posted - 2011.01.20 03:49:00 - [ 47]
One must remember that within the context of the game and its stated rules, most nefarious acts are completely viable and legal ways to gain money, it was only inevitable in a system based on the free market, that people would use this to gain money. If the same rules were applied in real life, "immoral" acts such as this would increase (not to same extreme as Eve). This is because of the central issue, that morality consists of placing boundaries and rules on actions in your connection to the fellow human, normally to ensure the continuation of the species. While capitalism and the free market openly promotes the competition between humans and places a huge value on material goods, even going as far as insinuating that material goods create happiness and a good life. But as we all know, just as in nature, not everyone can win, neither in this system can everyone win, and by participating in this system, you are unknowingly contributing (not directly) to the downfall of the poor and downtrodden that have "lost" in the system.
The reason why it seems "immoral" is because you are bringing these preconceived notions of morality into the game from the real world. This is not the real world. It does not even need to be loosely based on the real world, we could be playing a game completely devoid of issues on morals and other “metagame” aspects. The amount that the developers allowed into the game about this aspect was completely up to them.
Those that scam and break trusts between players are also doing so because over the internet, there is no feeling of true empathy and no meaningful consequences, If players were to communicate through web cam chats, I would wager that corporation thefts and other scams would go down, as the addition of that, would bring in a humanly aspect into the game and would put a real face to a voice and not some half body avatar portrait. If you do break the trust of another player, then sure, I think we all feel a tinge of regret and remorse if we truly liked that players, but remember, we will never see that person and they can never harm us really.
So yes I do agree with you, there is a problem with morals, but only if you base it on the morals of the real world which inevitably play a part into the game, but EVE itself suggests its own somewhat unique morals, even if it can be argued that they are themselves based on basic humanly morals.
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Joe McAlt |
Posted - 2011.01.20 07:22:00 - [ 48]
Originally by: Karl Planck
Ok Charles, here is a serious answer to your question. If you are talking about simply stealing from someone (even if you have know them for a long time) there is no morallity involved with it. In game trust is set up simply for the game. Its obviously not the same as OOG friendship because your eve friends cant help you with anything outside of the game. If they hurt you its only within the context of the game (i.e. they take your isk, your social contacts, your plan for success, etc.). How is this associated with morality? It isn't. The only time morality comes into play is when you cross the game boundary and start attacking an actual person. Physical threats, racial hatred and other social ills that are generally considered immoral are prohibited in the game and CCP does do a good job of protecting those you are victims of actual immoral acts.
Remember, this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME and a lot of people find it pretty fun to play the role of an a**hole.
Bingo, this is the answer! It is a role playing game. Not everyone runs around in character, in fact very few do but in their actions it is very much so. For the last several months I have been trying to understand the dynamic of Eve and somehow this very simple reality never occurred to me. It really should have but it didn’t. As a result I’ve carebeared around not so much because I didn’t want to lose something, but because I had no reason to hurt anyone else. Role playing though, even as it is done in eve is something I can understand. Now you’re talking my language. Now I can channel my inner Drow Elf… Look out Eve. Something Evil approaches.  |
Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
|
Posted - 2011.01.20 07:56:00 - [ 49]
Originally by: Joe McAlt
Originally by: Karl Planck
Ok Charles, here is a serious answer to your question. If you are talking about simply stealing from someone (even if you have know them for a long time) there is no morallity involved with it. In game trust is set up simply for the game. Its obviously not the same as OOG friendship because your eve friends cant help you with anything outside of the game. If they hurt you its only within the context of the game (i.e. they take your isk, your social contacts, your plan for success, etc.). How is this associated with morality? It isn't. The only time morality comes into play is when you cross the game boundary and start attacking an actual person. Physical threats, racial hatred and other social ills that are generally considered immoral are prohibited in the game and CCP does do a good job of protecting those you are victims of actual immoral acts.
Remember, this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME and a lot of people find it pretty fun to play the role of an a**hole.
Hark! 3 rapscallions aproacheth from the Rancer gate! Mounteth your space steeds and go forth to crush the heathens! If thou shalt see a Falcon, I implore thee to flee!!!
Yay, I roleplayed
Bingo, this is the answer! It is a role playing game. Not everyone runs around in character, in fact very few do but in their actions it is very much so.
For the last several months I have been trying to understand the dynamic of Eve and somehow this very simple reality never occurred to me. It really should have but it didn’t. As a result I’ve carebeared around not so much because I didn’t want to lose something, but because I had no reason to hurt anyone else.
Role playing though, even as it is done in eve is something I can understand. Now you’re talking my language. Now I can channel my inner Drow Elf…
Look out Eve. Something Evil approaches.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:59:00 - [ 50]
Originally by: Joe McAlt
Originally by: Karl Planck
Ok Charles, here is a serious answer to your question. If you are talking about simply stealing from someone (even if you have know them for a long time) there is no morallity involved with it. In game trust is set up simply for the game. Its obviously not the same as OOG friendship because your eve friends cant help you with anything outside of the game. If they hurt you its only within the context of the game (i.e. they take your isk, your social contacts, your plan for success, etc.). How is this associated with morality? It isn't. The only time morality comes into play is when you cross the game boundary and start attacking an actual person. Physical threats, racial hatred and other social ills that are generally considered immoral are prohibited in the game and CCP does do a good job of protecting those you are victims of actual immoral acts.
Remember, this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME and a lot of people find it pretty fun to play the role of an a**hole.
Bingo, this is the answer! It is a role playing game. Not everyone runs around in character, in fact very few do but in their actions it is very much so.
For the last several months I have been trying to understand the dynamic of Eve and somehow this very simple reality never occurred to me. It really should have but it didn’t. As a result I’ve carebeared around not so much because I didn’t want to lose something, but because I had no reason to hurt anyone else.
Role playing though, even as it is done in eve is something I can understand. Now you’re talking my language. Now I can channel my inner Drow Elf…
Look out Eve. Something Evil approaches.
*Edited for putting my text in the middle of the quoted text... caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and got freaked out at my enormous head * Hark! 3 rapscallions aproacheth from the Rancer gate! Mounteth your space steeds and go forth to crush the heathens! If thou shalt see a Falcon, I implore thee to flee!!! Yay, I roleplayed |
Miles Parabellum |
Posted - 2011.01.20 08:36:00 - [ 51]
I have RL friends who play Eve and some of them are carebears who fly mission ships worth billions. I know they'd let me in their corp and run missions with me if I suggested it, but I would never do it because it would certainly impact our friendship.
Eve may be a game, but if a friend of mine spent hundreds of hours of their (RL) spare time building something up from scratch, I'm pretty sure that the whole "but it's just a game - get over it" would bounce right off them. Regardless of whether or not Eve is a risk-oriented game.
So from that perspective, I'd say that there is a line between right and wrong in Eve, but that it's subjective.
To those who spend, say, 10 months infiltrating and befriending a corp just to rip them off, I have to say that I find your planning and cynicism impressive (no sarcasm). But if my kid came and told me he did that, I'd consider taking him to a shrink. Because in some small way, the things you do in an RP game do hint at the personality behind the character. |
Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2011.01.20 10:21:00 - [ 52]
Originally by: Alotta Baggage
Mainly you crossed the line if you using a bot, or buying isk... then we all laugh at you for getting hacked.
Other than that, if it turns you on... do it!
Did your cloning vat have some sort of malfunction, or are you just naturally a psychotic clown hehehehe;) |
Frederick Garrish
Gallente
Strange Energy
Gentlemen's Agreement |
Posted - 2011.01.20 10:46:00 - [ 53]
Originally by: BolsterBomb
Its an intresting subject that varies. Me, I belive the way you interact in a game lke this (because in reality it is not a RP game, if you want RP go play D&D.) the way your character acts, the things you do, etc. Is what you are truly like as a person. Its the old saying a person will flick you off in a car but if they were walking near you they wouldnt.
I have learned in eve trust no one, not even your corpies. Heck I put collateral on my contracts to corpies if it has real value. Why because someone could take it and leave.
I belive it is part of the game, the scams, the munipulation, etc. However I will not participate in it because that is not the type of person I am, even though it is appealing at times. However there are some scams I belive are part of the game and are strategy. If I am playing a pirate (it is very ok of me to join a corp lure them to a lvl 4 mission and then rasom them. It is their job to secure their own risk, I can take advantage of the wholes as long as it does not cross me lying to get something done. I can join a corp and then leave and the ceo has the record to see what I have been up to. I will not scam people by stealing their money through "building trust" or trying to set scam contracts. IMO people that scam are to stupid to figure a legit way to get money. In my eyes an acceptable scam is one where there is plenty of ways for the player to see it is a scam or prevent being scammed if they do their research. Not being "duped by trust"
This post right here is my favorite so far. First of all, I'd like to say thank you for putting this topic in the air because it is something that greatly bothers me. I'll give you two different recent events that happened to me to explain what I think. Had this member join. Lent her my Noctis, bought her an implant, and all the other dumb generous stuff I usually do because I am naturally a nice guy. She basically walked away with a good 150 mil, which isn't much but it is near plex time. That right there, is a part of Eve. Isk is just like real money. A tangible asset that can be gotten back. It did **** me off, and yes, maybe it is immoral, but that's what I get for being the person I am. Now this other guy, joined my corp, Most likely a story from the beginning. Sucked me in with being Deaf, and being hearing impaired myself, he caught my compassion. After trying to get us to make stupid decisions which I look back now, and see as set-ups, and we didn't, he has threatened to war dec my corp, and pick on us "carebears". This situation I find immoral on multiple aspects. A person has a right to be as carebear as they want. No matter how many miners and noobs you blow up, you are not bad ass. You are even stupider if you think your bad ass because of it. It is exactly like high school kids going to elementry school to beat up little kids for the simple reason they cant fight on their own level. Learn to fight on your own level. My corp mates are my friends, regardless of whether we will ever meet in rl, my friendship is still as strong. As a result, the friendship is returned, and I have had my friends, or people in some game to you guys, help me out of tough situations. To prey on someones friendship and/or compassion is utterly immoral. |
Allegar |
Posted - 2011.01.20 11:06:00 - [ 54]
I would say that the game does change everything for most people. I actually joined a corp that had mostly rl friends. they started acting like total douche bags till i decided to get out. then after that me and my new corp became a target for them. they think of themselves as badasses in the games but couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag in real life. i think of people liek this as a child at heart who never really had any power and could never really stand up for themselves. |
Prince Spiderman |
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:13:00 - [ 55]
Everything in EVE is fine. From acting good and generous till acting like the biggest ar*ehole ever. That makes EVE special. You decide. When I just stay in hi-sec and run missions EVE is more a pure video game to me. When I do PvP in low-sec it is a mix of action gaming, emo and social politics. From my experience this part feels more like roleplaying because if you want to fight it's your risk when other players kill and pod you for their fun followed by emo, smack or just a gf. But there's ofc a special level in this game where people try to cheat, grief, exploit game mechanics etc. Also here you decide. Overall EVE is about ISK ISK ISK. No ISK, no fun. Completely equal to RL. And exactly the aspect that everything in EVE has a value and ISK is the goal to fly ships will mislead many players to cheat players for making ISK. IMO this has more to do with the RL attitude instead of arguing "It's just a game!". The player behind the scammer is an as*hole and the one who is exploiting the trust of other players in a corp and is using the roles they gave him for stealing the ISK and corp assets is a big *******. And I swear he would deal with people in RL the same way if there would be no determent by law punishment. |
Helios Sai |
Posted - 2011.01.20 12:34:00 - [ 56]
What I don't understand with this thread is this.
Friends can never scam or hurt you if you aren't stupid enough to put a massive gold nugget in your front yard with a "Bite Me" Sign.
It may be morally unacceptable in Eve or IRL if a dear friend backstabs you and runs away with your loot. If someone puts themselves in the position to be robbed or hurt....then its mentally unacceptable.
Corporations however have a problem as they are a group of people, any one of those people can defect. And naturally a corporation can have thefts if even one of those members are disgruntled. Thats a sad thing which I find truly painful, but a necessary evil in Eve that can balance the outcome of certain events.
Lastly there are friends you can trust, and there are some which will betray you, but for the friends which manipulate you for your stuff, if the temptation is never present, they probably won't ever be tempted. You can share your stuff with friends, just don't ever share your land deed and your car with that. |
onehelluva nick
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge |
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:22:00 - [ 57]
Oh,it's THAT thread again...
It is really simple, tbh. Some people come to play EVE just to let the inner ****flow out so their RL level would drop. Some come in to enjoy all the "space" adventure. Some come in to farm and make a buck or two (sadly).
Personally, I think to each their own. Whatever you do just characterizes you as a person in RL, as well. As much as I hate griefers and cheaters and farmers etc, it is all part of the game. You act like an ass means you're an ass in RL, even if you mask it by "it's a game" bull****. Fantasies are fantasies and morals are morals. You either have them or you just don't. So, the "line" OP is asking about is like any lock - keeps the door closed for good people only ( bad ones will still get through). And since EVE has had the cheating element as a part of it's commercial at some point ( nice trailer though), I believe there's no way to take it out of the game. Hence the advise - either don't trust anybody or don't play it. Or make your own game, better than this one :D |
The Shylock
Amarr
FSG |
Posted - 2011.01.20 13:27:00 - [ 58]
Originally by: Karl Planck
Remember, this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME and a lot of people find it pretty fun to play the role of an a**hole.
I think you could say that this is the core of the discussion. To some, this is merely a game, to others a role playing game - but I am sure that to other still this is pure escapism. An alternate life led in a digital world where I am not an accountant, but a space pirate or some other figure of power. If EVE is as important to you as your own bleak existence, then obviously it stands to reason that so are the friendships you make in the game and so much the greater betrayal when your trust is violated by those you thought your peers. |
Junzar Hoth
Minmatar
Hootie Owl Round-Tip Scissors Club |
Posted - 2011.01.20 14:26:00 - [ 59]
I can’t help bringing my real life morals to eve. There is something deep inside me that prevents me from scamming or stealing from others, friends or not. Hell you could wave billions under my nose and I couldn’t bring myself to take it. It’s a good job not everyone is like this, and it doesn’t make you a bad person if you play the bad role, but I would draw the line at taking from a long term ‘real’ eve friend just because you saw the opportunity. I think this is morally wrong. But this is just my opinion. If you plan a heist from the out, and even if it takes months and months to achieve then it’s not morally wrong as you are playing the spy/infiltrator and are not truly a friend. Friendship has to come from both sides to be valid. So I guess in that respect it’s impossible to be a judge of others. It’s a tough one to define. Is it wrong for someone to drop their morals at the door? I would say no, but I don’t think that’s for anyone to judge really. People have different views of eve and any friendships that may form. Some play just to have a laugh, and others are more serious. The nicest person in the world could be the most morally corrupt player in eve, it all depends on how they view the game. Some will see him/her as wrong and others wont it all depends on how they view the game. We all need to remember that our own view of what’s morally right and wrong within this game is just that. And after all it is just a game. it’s also important not to judge people in real life based on their game persona. There is one thing that really bugs me in eve - Scammers! They all use the same scams with the same text!!??? A little creativity people please. ‘ im leaving the game swap my cash for 1 trit bla bla bla’. Brain dead lemmings!  Again, just my opinion lol. |
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:31:00 - [ 60]
Human beings are scum... The worst of any other beings there is...
EvE is a great game (IMHO) because it lets you do everything as you would in RL to others, with a bonus, you don’t get punished.
People act in this game as they would in RL, don’t ever believe someone saying he is a scumbag ONLY in the game, if he is a low life in the game, he is the same in RL, simple as that.
My 3 cents.
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